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Post  cool breeze on Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:35 pm

Murph wrote:Nice to see Jerebko signing with the Warriors.  Hopefully he'll win an NBA Title with them, and play some decent minutes.  

I always liked Jerebko's hustle, especially when he first came in the League.  His rookie year was his best year...before he blew out his Achilles tendon.  He registered career highs in points, rebounds, minutes and FG% his rookie year.  Since then he's been a role player.  

The Pistons would have been a much better team if the Piston's inept management at the time had realized his value. Jonas is a team orientated player, not a stat orientated player. He does a lot of things well and always cared about giving an honest effort on defense. The Pistons have played musical chairs with their supporting cast especially at power forward. The problem has never been the guys who have come off the bench for the Pistons.The problem relating to losing so many games and going nowhere rests with the starters. Who knows maybe this coming season will be different and the guys coming in on the 2nd unit will not be able to give the same spark so the team can recover from big deficits in the fist and third quarters of games. Over the last two seasons the bench players showed that they were more prepared to play and executed better than the starters in most games.

I read Oracle's post on AD and your response. Maybe it is a good thing that you both believe AD has high value. I am still unimpressed with those stats because so many of AD's rebounds came on the offensive end where he might get two or three tips in one possession. I admire the effort but want to see him do that late in games and wish AD could improve on the defensive end and become a real obstacle for drivers and big men who are crashing the offensive glass. Can AD ever become a "help defender"?? He doesn't see himself as that kind of player or get satisfaction other do who give their teammates help. Players like Rodman have a special gift of "anticipation" and "concentration" that AD lacks. Andre wants to be known as a high offensive scorer and might be content to be on losing teams as long as he is in the Piston history book as a stat champion. How can the Pistons pull out close games in the 4th quarter if AD doesn't become a smarter defensive player? I just don't believe the Pistons can win unless he can make the change or Blake Griffin can make winning defensive plays for the "team".

The bulk of NBA teams are stat driven now and and are selling fans "stats" to sell tickets. Big specific stats can mean a player who is a key guy on a losing team who is not a complete basketball player can sucker an owner into agreeing to a massive new contract for that player. And teams keep on losing like the Pistons keep on losing. They don't have the super star players who also play the right way on both ends of the floor. Players who are willing do anything to win including filling a role needed by their team now all want to play on the same team because they hate playing with losers. The great players all know how our players approach playing the game of basketball and do not want to move to Detroit. Even average players like Marcus Morris had a mental breakdown playing with our superstars. This owner needs to realize that the draft is the only way change will ever happen.

So I respectfully disagree with both of you on the subject of Andre Drummond. AD needs to be traded when his value is highest because he is not a player who will fill a role that his team needs the most. AD has declared that this coming season he is going to unleash his 3 point shot. Never in any past summer has AD ever stated that he needs to become an outstanding paint and rim protector and try to win the most valuable defensive player award. IF AD had said that even once, I would be in his camp and call him a true blue Piston player. But it is clear AD is happy to just go though the motions on defense and wants to save his energy to get better offensive stats for himself. Do you believe that if AD Shoots 3 point shots or long 2s that will ado anything positive for his team? AD said that to tell his new coach where his mind is at. AD thinks he needs to show his offensive skills to support a max contract. Is winning important to AD over the next two seasons? Where do you think he wants to move? That will be the talk and everyone will forget about how many seasons the Pistons came up short when he was the key player on his team.

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Post  cool breeze on Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:46 pm

Oracle wrote:I hear you, but I don't want to lump Murph in with Don, two very different people.

I also agree with Murph that we need to get back to basketball, nobody is going to complain too hard about the occasional rant post, but we have been on this for quite some time.

Just my opinion.

Yes something is going on Oracle and that would be "objective" thinking as a result of studying the philosophy of Objectivism. You seem to be able to analysis things much of the time "objectively" with sports but when your religion comes into play (progressive dogma) you have to agree with WTF that Trump is a "racist"to be a member of the group that determines "good". The facts show that the word "racist" of course was first brought out on social media by the Russian's who posted in on social media and have been identified by by Mueller in an effort to destroy Trumps chances of defeating Hillary. People should not let it go when groups or individuals stoop to using the race card. One good reason why is that Brown Shirts did to all Jews in Germany years ago to get the population to agree that they should be eliminated. How can anyone charged as being a "racist" defend themselves especially when is is now the alleged truth that every white person is racist but they might not know it because it is in their sub conscious according to the current dogma coming from the Progressive leadership. Moral superiority has always been a tool used by totalitarian militants who try to benefit politically by name calling to stir up the emotions to the point of "mass hysteria when large segments of the population stop thinking for themselves. It is dangerous and many of use are afraid of what is coming if Progressives take control of this country. Many great liberal democrats are worried. But you are cocky and confident in your beliefs it seems so good luck. Meanwhile the news broke yesterday that China had hacked 30,000 or more of Hillary Clinton's e'mails from her illegal personal server when she was Sec. of State. I am sure that doesn't bother you either or WTF. But it does matter to the families who had undercover agents in foreign countries who's names might have been in those classified e-mails. Maybe you didn't know it is illegal to use a unprotected private server for classified materials. She signed an agreement like I did when I was in the military but somehow can't recall signing it. Ah shoot let's give her a pass. That is what the FBI and Justice Department did. They were thinking all those dumb voters out there won't even know about the rules of handling classified materials that many have died to protect. No wonder people are not standing for the National Anthem anymore. People originally stood in honor of those who died defending our country and not to remember past transgressions or sins. You kneel to pray to God for forgiveness and that should be done in church or your home not in a football stadium. But go with the flow. Get in tight with the current most popular group and you will be popular.

I am speaking in general terms Oracle and not specifically you. But you scare me because you represent a lot of people who just don't know that they don't know. That is why you need to respond with degrading comments which to me are juvenile like some of your basketball posts when you disagree with other posters. I have a happy life because I have made it that way partly because I have tried to think objectively where everyone and everything should be judged on a individual basis. That way "racism" cannot exit in your thoughts or actions. WTF perhaps you should not judge a book by it's cover too. You have no idea how Trump thinks or what he is thinking. I don't know that either. His kids all really love him and say he has been a great Dad. His old school friends say he was a good teammate and trustworthy friend too. Who should we believe the news anchors on CNN and MSMBC who have been paid to bash Trump every day since the election or the documentary "Objectified" that was done on Trump that showed his personal life before he ran for President. One thing is true, Trump is not "presidential". The establishment want to get him really bad. It is unlikely he will survive. Maybe it would have helped if he had been a career politician. Yes those are the people you can trust who are for sure not "racist". They love you.

Lions pulled out a win in their last pre season game but the starters for both offense and defense looked like they might be the worst team in the NFL right now. Can they get it together before mid season? It might take some time to get used to the new system but their opponent didn't play 3 of their starting linemen in that game and the Lions still couldn't move the ball or defend. Great punt return! This is only pre season so maybe the wins will come when it counts.

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Post  Murph on Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:29 pm

Nice to see Jerebko signing with the Warriors. Hopefully he'll win an NBA Title with them, and play some decent minutes.

I always liked Jerebko's hustle, especially when he first came in the League. His rookie year was his best year...before he blew out his Achilles tendon. He registered career highs in points, rebounds, minutes and FG% his rookie year. Since then he's been a role player.
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Drummond

Post  Murph on Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:28 pm

Oracle, that's an impressive article on Drummond.  Thanks for posting it.


Let me start by saying I know the Drummond nay-sayers will say that everything Drummond achieves statistically is hollow, until he wins a title.  And there is some truth to that.  

Nevertheless, Drummond is guaranteed to be here another two years, at least, and maybe more if the Pistons successfully extend his contract.  So let's try to predict where Drummond will stand among franchise leaders after two more seasons.

In two years, Drummond will very likely be the 2nd all time Pistons rebounder, next to only Bill Laimbeer.  

He will have also won more rebounding titles than any other Pistons in history.

In two years, Drummond will likely be 3rd on the Pistons all-time shot blocking list, behind only Ben Wallace and Terry Tyler.

In two years, he'll likely continue to be the Pistons all-time leader in FG percentage.

And in two years, Drummond will possibly be in the top 10 in scoring.

And if the Pistons get their stuff together, and re-sign Drummond to a 5 year contract extension, the sky is the limit.


Now, if the Pistons could just win an NBA Title with Drummond.....





Oracle wrote:He played with better teammates! The Bad boys & the 2004 team were just that... TEAMS!

Both with HOF or close to  HOF PG's, HOF or close to HOF SG's, and on and on at SF & PF.

However, even lacking that level of support, and constant hate from haters, Drummond has quietly accomplished some monumental feats in his NBA Career.

Take a look at this article, he's impressiveFranchise milestones within reach for Andre Drummond
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Drummond would be a major star in this league if...

Post  Oracle on Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:44 pm

He played with better teammates! The Bad boys & the 2004 team were just that... TEAMS!

Both with HOF or close to  HOF PG's, HOF or close to HOF SG's, and on and on at SF & PF.

However, even lacking that level of support, and constant hate from haters, Drummond has quietly accomplished some monumental feats in his NBA Career.

Take a look at this article, he's impressiveFranchise milestones within reach for Andre Drummond
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Wise

Post  Oracle on Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:39 pm

I hear you, but I don't want to lump Murph in with Don, two very different people.

I also agree with Murph that we need to get back to basketball, nobody is going to complain too hard about the occasional rant post, but we have been on this for quite some time.

Just my opinion.
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Post  WTF on Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:28 pm

Oracle wrote:If you read what Don says, you have to understand that something is going on there that can't be fixed... leave it alone.

Oracle I'm simply telling both of them they don't have to respond to what I post, they don't have to like it, read it or believe it.  I keep saying I'm not looking for a response because I've have already concluded with what I dealing with when it comes to both of them and I sincerely mean that.   Because I've come my conclusions I refuse to debate with them largely in part when Don or Murph thinks it okay to make personal comments oppose to responding to what I actually post.  

I don't have any interest in getting into a tit for tat, or responding to Don long page of nonsense.  WTF with him finding a need to single out me and you I'm just reminding both that they don't have to read my post.
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Post  Oracle on Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:12 pm

If you read what Don says, you have to understand that something is going on there that can't be fixed... leave it alone.
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Post  WTF on Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:23 pm

Don wrote:Yes let us stick to basketball Oracle and WTF. You are both a good example of how a lifetime of propaganda does work.

As I stated in a previous post I'm going to post my comments when and wherever I want too so you can either read it or not.  It's certainly not up for debate and I'm not trying to defend it.  

Don you don't know WTF influence me to think the way I do but I assure it's not MSNBC, CNN or any other source of information.  Please know that I choose common sense and decency over and above all else so fu@k Trump and those that support his behavior or that choose to ignore it.  

But again I'm not posting my Trump comments to debate either you or Murph (love, humanity, decency, tolerance, respect, equality) these are all common sense things clearly this something neither you are capable of comprehending because that's what my post are about.  It goes in one ear and out the other and I honestly don't think either of you are morally capable of addressing it or at least there's no attempt too.  

Example being I called Trumps behavior racist, childish, and ignorant and the only thing you two do is bring up Hillary, Dem, MSNBC, or anything but.  For this reason I have no interest in debating either you concerning my Trump comments so just ignore them.  I've already concluded in my mind that I wouldn't even be shocked if you or him wanted to call me the N Word or perhaps you have in your mind while responding to what I post that's real.  But again I don't care what you're thinking.

I stand by what I said' how much of a turd a president must be if you banned from 2 funerals, a royal wedding, and NBA/NFL don't want to visit the WH, I stand by that he's a racist,  I stand by him being shady as a business man,  I stand by the fact he lies 30 times a day,  but  again just don't  read my damn comments.   I think many of his supporters are just like him.  Hmmmm think about that....

My comments again are my own vents concerning your president and not open for debate,  you can either like it or you don't I really don't give a fu@k to be truthful just skip pass it.
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Re: FORUM

Post  cool breeze on Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:31 pm

WTF wrote:










Oracle wrote:The better course is to do what you do with all criminals... lock them up. They're going to have enough on Trump and his kids to put them in jail for a long time, both sons and Ivanka.

For a party that's always been law and order, this should be music to their ears, criminals being locked up.

BTW, here is a list of Trumps crooks(source Fox News): Who's been charged by Mueller in the Russia probe so far?
1. Michael Flynn
2. Paul Manafort
3. Richard Gates
4. George Papadopoulos
5. Alex van der Zwaan
6. Richard Pinedo
7. 13 Russian Nationals
8. 12 Russian Intelligence Officers

Next up(my guess):
1. Both Trump Sons
2. Ivanka
3. Others we don't know about yet

And finally Trump. He's a criminal that needs jailing, and he's going to get it from one source or another.
1. He gets indicted and convicted by the DOJ, and NO, there is nothing in the constitution that says you can't jail a president
2. He gets indicted and convicted by New York State

Or the other option is that he resigns and they let a lot of this go... time will tell.

Don: You're the most delusional person I've seen. We don't let criminals off because they love the country and treat their Mom's nice!

What's the matter, can't you argue that the man is innocent???

And Oracle there's a bunch of others that are flipping so they won't be charged or face jail time.  That's why Pecker and the accountant are turning on him now.   

I'm convince that Comrades Murph and Don like many supporters can see 40 people facing charges and still conclude it's only 2 and there's no collusion even though it's obvious there is.   

They can't even figure out that Mueller is toying with Trump that he doesn't have to come to a conclusion on if he colluded or not he already has enough proof of that.  I these other things are for kicks and giggles because the President is such an asshole. 

They too blind to see the reason why Mueller been kicking this stuff to the state level,  they're to blind to see that Trump is being done in by people who were lifetime republican and appointed by republicans.  Still they want to find time to bash Dems and blame them for this.

Yes let us stick to basketball Oracle and WTF. You are both a good example of how a lifetime of propaganda does work. Check your premises and try to think on your own without "group Think" determining how you should make your at election time. If Pence or any other republican who had won the election of your God Hillary Clinton, there would be a witch hunt on that person because those text messages don't lie between Peter and Lisa just before the election. Oracle did you pull out everything from your 401K after Trump won? Don't you hate it that you will pay less taxes next April? You are conditioned to being punished by democratic policies but then perhaps you get your pay check from the backs of tax payers. I know you can't wait for your party to win it all again. Make sure you vote the straight ticket because that will punish all those stupid uneducated "deplorable" folks as Mrs.Clinton called them who live in the Mid West and voted for Trump. Opps that is you Oracle.How will she know you are a faithful dedicated follower unless you move to Washington DC where all the smart swamp people live? Hillary thinks you are an idiot mid Westerner but still you are upset that she lost.

Won't it be grand when the tax law is changed and those evil corporations and "rich" people can be punished can be punished and are forced to escape to other countries to do business. IF you are a minority person it will be great to increase the unemployment rolls too. As long as democrats win that is all that matters. Climate change can be in the news every day where it belongs. And "pay to play" swamp action will come back strong too. Democrats are expert swamp people but they care about everyone who lives in Michigan. No the only President who has given a crap about anyone in the Mid West since I was born is President Trump.Make sure you vote with the 97% voting block where almost every registered voter is part of the swamp who vote in Washington DC.

Why hasn't Mueller investigated Vice President Biden for his pay to play crimes that happened between 2014-2016 when Biden traveled to the Ukraine and China to represent the USA in new trade deals. Somehow wire transfers were made to Hunter or Robert Biden for millions of dollars as they were fueling up VP Biden's jet. What is Mueller investigating involving the "Russian Probe" involving Hillary Clinton and "Uranium One" and all that foreign money that went into the Clinton Foundation? But of course Trump is 'unhinged" just as McCain was said to be when he ran for President. No person other than a registered Progressive democrat can do the job. If Pence or anyone other than Hillary had won this last election, Mueller would be trying to ruin that person's plan to make our country better and people more successful as individuals rather than protect the "swamp". Got to keep a good thing going for all the good lawyers in DC.

From reading your posts it is clear that you do not have a clue as to what has happened in American history since President Kennedy was killed. It is sad that you can't sort out the facts. Be happy with your world view because it is a sure thing that the good times we are having now will not last and your team will win most of not all of the future elections in the next 10 years. Keep your chin up as you see your 401K disappear. The citizens must be punished. The progressives will make everything "fair". The government class will grow and no intellectual diversity will be tolerated. My only hope is that more citizens will become actual individuals who can think on their own for what is best for their families. To do that you have to become an "independent" and divorce yourself from being a team member of one political party. Both democrats and republicans hate Trump in Washington and it isn't about his past transgressions 10 or 20 years ago as a billionaire individual. He has eliminated hundreds of regulations that benefit the swamp and hurt honest business owners and tax payers. He has ended "pay to play" by cabinet members and Vice Presidents. He is making other countries in NATO pay their fair share when no previous President even asked wealthy countries like Germany to pay their fair share. As long as former diplomats could take home a suitcase of cash during NATO meetings, who cares. American tax payers who pay for NATO are so damn dumb they will never think about the cost of NATO and why America has to pay the bulk of the expense. Who cares that American Tax payers are paying for all those unskilled workers who infiltrate across our borders once they arrive on American soil? Sure you only vote based on policy Oracle? The progressive democrats have no plan other than tear down everything that is left of the USA and making sure every American believes in climate change. Again are progressive sure that we all don't already get it that the climate just like our bodies will always be changing? Before you call me delusional, check your premises as to what you really believe in and want for your kids future.

Now on to the Pistons and another year of AD and RJ.

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I agree, let's get back to basketball...

Post  Oracle on Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:59 pm

I posted about basketball and nobody seemed to care  lol

These diversions always happen in the dog days of summer, waiting for some action... in short, we're BORED  lol

For what it's worth, I don't hate Trump, I always focus on policy, the stuff any President or political figure implements.

The law shouldn't be focused on like or dislike, but you can't talk policy or law to people that are emotionally involved.

Nobody can sway me away from the Pistons, Lions, Red Wings, Michigan, State and the list goes on, I'm emotionally involved, I'll defend then no matter what... but that's sports! That's going on with Trump supporters, I get it, but there are lines you should never cross.

But I digress, I'm going back to basketball  lol
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Please Stop

Post  Murph on Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:40 pm

We can go back and forth on this until Hell freezes over.

Why don't y'all find a political forum were you can bash Trump to your hearts content? There are certainly plenty of them out there. 

This is a basketball forum.  Yet no has posed a thing on basketball in three days.

I get it.  You hate Trump.  You really, really hate Trump.  You really, really, really hate Trump.  Believe me, I get it. You hate Trump.


Can we please go back to basketball now?????????
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Post  Oracle on Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:01 pm

Murph, I never liked McCain either, but I respected him.

That man is history, great American history, and that should be separated from any other political views anybody should have about him. I felt the same way about Pete Rose, what he did on the field was amazing and you shouldn't take that away from him because of off field gambling.

This Mexican free trade deal SUCKS!

I thought Republicans hated minimum wages imposed by the government! Well Trump is forcing the Mexicans to pay their people a minimum of $16/hr in that agreement, but he doesn't give two craps about Americans wages.

BTW, that's designed to replace the tariffs and place yet another TAX on the American people, and you're cheering about this? Even worse, the tax cuts and this crap is like getting a dose of sugar. Yeah, your energy will get a boost, but you're going to pay for it later.

Watch these companies eat up all of the extra profit, raise prices on all of us and start crying that they need even more tax cuts before they can start hiring again. It's a shell game, but it looks like it never gets old.

And they said you can't fool people all of the time....
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United States Mexico Trade Agreement

Post  Murph on Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:10 pm

Oh...and in real news today, the Dow Jones Industrial Average soared another 259 point to yet another new all-time high, on the replacement of NAFTA with the United States Mexico Trade Agreement.

That ought to be good for the auto industry and jobs in Detroit and Michigan.  

Keep up the good work, President Trump! tb
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Post  Murph on Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:50 pm

I was never a big John McCain fan.  Yeah sure, he was a POW and got the living daylights beaten out of him, and he was certainly a curmudgeon in the Senate.

But when it came to good judgement, McCain was lacking.  He was of course, a huge neo-con.  I don't think he ever saw a war that he didn't want to involve the United States in.  He was all gun-ho in the run up to the Iraq War, and voted enthusiastically for that debacle.

And along with his dreadful foreign policy, there was his choice for VP...Sarah Palin.  She certainly wasn't the brightest bulb on the porch, and was a big detriment to his candidacy.  Almost anyone else would have been a better choice as a running mate.

And there was more.  His involvement in the Savings and Loan scandal in the 1980's as part of the Keating Five.  That cost the Federal Government many billions of dollars.

And then there was his thumbs down vote in the Senate on the repeal of ObamaCare, after he ran for re-election on repealing ObamaCare .  Geesh...what a hypocrite.

Oh, and he got along famously with Hillary Clinton.  The were old drinking buds.  toast  I guess he shared her bad judgement and neo-conservative ideology.


Let me put this way, I don't know how may times McCain ran for President and lost, but I never even considered voting for the old kook once. And I sincerely doubt if anyone on this forum ever voted for him either...maybe Don.

I hate to speak ill of the dead, but I never liked the guy.
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LMAO

Post  WTF on Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:51 am













How much of a turd you must be that you can't get invited to the Royal Wedding, and a Funeral not just one but two of them and the decease are both strong republicans at that.   I guess that's the Dems fault or more Fake News  lol Such an Ass Wipe!

How big of a turd you must be that NBA and NFL players don't even want to visit your Sorry Ass at the White House  facepalm 

How big of a turd you must be that the flags aren't still flying half staff for a WAR HERO!, A VETERAN! and historic republican political figure. Such an Ass Hole of the worse kind.   There's nothing patriotic about this **** but yet you up in arms when a Black Man chose to kneel there's nothing American about you at all.  

Ties made in China, Russian Kiss Ass Turd!!!!

Obama Admin:  0 indictments, 0 conviction, 0 criminal charges,  and your dumbass couldn't appeal nor replace Obamacare! You Orange Clown!
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Very Sad Day

Post  WTF on Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:58 pm

Oracle wrote:


Great Respect for this Great Man
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RIP John McCain

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President Trump

Post  Murph on Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:47 am

Yeah, yeah...whatever.  Last week it was Omorosa Manigault-Newman.  This week it's Michael Cohen and Paul Manaforte.  Has CNN ever been right about anything?

The last I looked Trump is still President, the economy is still humming along, and Trump is still keeping us out of wars, creating jobs, negotiating better trade deals and tightening border security.  I can see how much that upsets you Democrats.   lol

If you want Trump out of office, you're going to have to do it the old fashioned way...by winning elections.  Trump is NOT going to resign.  So you're going to have to win back the House in 2018 or 2020, and you're going to have to win 2/3s of the Senate.  Good luck with that.   taunt

Or you're going to have to run presidential candidates better than wild eyed self proclaimed socialists like Kam Harris or Bernie Sanders, or doddering old hags like Liz Warren or Joe Biden in 2020.  Again, good luck with that.

In the meantime, enjoy the peace and prosperity.  As a country, we don't enjoy times like these nearly enough.  2 thumbs up
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Common Sense Is Dead

Post  WTF on Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:11 pm












Oracle wrote:The better course is to do what you do with all criminals... lock them up. They're going to have enough on Trump and his kids to put them in jail for a long time, both sons and Ivanka.

For a party that's always been law and order, this should be music to their ears, criminals being locked up.

BTW, here is a list of Trumps crooks(source Fox News): Who's been charged by Mueller in the Russia probe so far?
1. Michael Flynn
2. Paul Manafort
3. Richard Gates
4. George Papadopoulos
5. Alex van der Zwaan
6. Richard Pinedo
7. 13 Russian Nationals
8. 12 Russian Intelligence Officers

Next up(my guess):
1. Both Trump Sons
2. Ivanka
3. Others we don't know about yet

And finally Trump. He's a criminal that needs jailing, and he's going to get it from one source or another.
1. He gets indicted and convicted by the DOJ, and NO, there is nothing in the constitution that says you can't jail a president
2. He gets indicted and convicted by New York State

Or the other option is that he resigns and they let a lot of this go... time will tell.

Don: You're the most delusional person I've seen. We don't let criminals off because they love the country and treat their Mom's nice!

What's the matter, can't you argue that the man is innocent???

And Oracle there's a bunch of others that are flipping so they won't be charged or face jail time.  That's why Pecker and the accountant are turning on him now.   

I'm convince that Comrades Murph and Don like many supporters can see 40 people facing charges and still conclude it's only 2 and there's no collusion even though it's obvious there is.   

They can't even figure out that Mueller is toying with Trump that he doesn't have to come to a conclusion on if he colluded or not he already has enough proof of that.  I these other things are for kicks and giggles because the President is such an asshole. 

They too blind to see the reason why Mueller been kicking this stuff to the state level,  they're to blind to see that Trump is being done in by people who were lifetime republican and appointed by republicans.  Still they want to find time to bash Dems and blame them for this.
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Post  Oracle on Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:46 pm

Murph wrote:Good luck trying to take the Senate.  That isn't going to happen.  And please don't tell me you're going to vote for Debbie Stabenow over John James for the Senate in MI.  Please grow a pair

And instead of proving collusion, Mueller has proven Manaforte cheated on his taxes and Cohen paid hush money to a porn star.  lol   Yeah, that's well worth $25 million of our tax dollars. Before people said he proved nothing, but it's not just the two you list here, there's a bunch of folks doing criminal activity... and there's plenty more to come.
Taking the Senate is a tough task, and certainly wouldn't help with impeachment, which is why I believe impeachment should be off the table.

While the house could impeach, and if Clinton could be impeached for basically nothing but a blow job, Trump is certainly eligible for his many crimes. Having said that, there's no win in doing this. He'll never be convicted in the Senate which requires a two thirds vote, so why waste the people's time and money.

The better course is to do what you do with all criminals... lock them up. They're going to have enough on Trump and his kids to put them in jail for a long time, both sons and Ivanka.

For a party that's always been law and order, this should be music to their ears, criminals being locked up.

BTW, here is a list of Trumps crooks(source Fox News): Who's been charged by Mueller in the Russia probe so far?
1. Michael Flynn
2. Paul Manafort
3. Richard Gates
4. George Papadopoulos
5. Alex van der Zwaan
6. Richard Pinedo
7. 13 Russian Nationals
8. 12 Russian Intelligence Officers

Next up(my guess):
1. Both Trump Sons
2. Ivanka
3. Others we don't know about yet

And finally Trump. He's a criminal that needs jailing, and he's going to get it from one source or another.
1. He gets indicted and convicted by the DOJ, and NO, there is nothing in the constitution that says you can't jail a president
2. He gets indicted and convicted by New York State

Or the other option is that he resigns and they let a lot of this go... time will tell.

Don: You're the most delusional person I've seen. We don't let criminals off because they love the country and treat their Mom's nice!

What's the matter, can't you argue that the man is innocent???
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Post  cool breeze on Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:43 pm

[quote="Murph"]Good luck trying to take the Senate.  That isn't going to happen.  And please don't tell me you're going to vote for Debbie Stabenow over John James for the Senate in MI.  Please grow a pair


And instead of proving collusion, Mueller has proven Manaforte cheated on his taxes and Cohen paid hush money to a porn star.  lol   Yeah, that's well worth $25 million of our tax dollars.[/quote

Murph perhaps Mueller will bring back his best buddy, Boston's old crime boss Whitey Bulgar from the grave to testify against Trump. Maybe his hand selected attorneys who attended Hillary Clinton's election night party will now investigate Trump as a potential hateful man who does not agree to the Climate Expert Progressives solution to Climate Change. Notice it is not longer Global warming worry that has taken center stage with Progressives. It is overall Climate Change just in case the climate is actually cooling they won't be on the wrong side of things. Climate change trumps living a happy and prosperous life in the here and now. We must worry about how we can reduce carbon emissions by 2% within 90 years after spending trillions of dollars on the Climate Expert research.

Progressives who crave a socialist totalitarian government are the product of our corrupt public education institutions and public universities that brain wash students to the point where instead of being encouraged to find truth though logic and reason adopt their political party as a religion. When I attended school my teachers supported a Pledge of Allegiance to our country. When I was in the army we stood at attention to pledge to give our lives to protect our country and the flag was a symbol of the sacrifice others had made in the past. Now public school children are indoctrinated to hate our country and especially Capitalism and a Constitutional Republic form of government that has a separation of powers and a Bill of Rights to protect individuals from government.

The teaching and administration professions in education have been infiltrated much like happened in Germany in the late 1920s by totalitarian indoctinators. Progressive religious dogma has brainwashed millions of people since the late 1960s. 97.5% or more are registered true believers in the Progressive agenda. For Progressive followers, it has become very emotional when their party loses in an election. They can't accept that others think differently from them. It is OK that for Progressive followers much like Jim Jones followers do not flinch when their deputy director of the progressive democratic progressive party stated that if we cannot beat them with our riots and demonstrations, we will beat them with our fists. If that doesn't work we will use knives and so on. I want to know who he is referring to. Should everyone who is not a Progressive be sent to a concentration camp or stabbed with a knife? Be careful what you wish for because in a socialist system groups turn against groups and if you are in the group out of power, your life might be in peril.In that system as opposed to our current system, you right to life is granted by the State. You are no longer born with a right to life. The goal is to rip up our our constitution and Bill of Rights so the State can determine your fate. That was Tom Hayden's plan who was the old SDS leader from U of M. He wasn't interested in the Vietnam war according to the declassified FBI reports. Tom was trying to get boots on the ground or followers who would would be the type of people who obey whatever orders he gave those mindless followers.

Even when the economy is fantastic since Trump became President, Progressives must ignore that fact and hate the fact that unemployment figures are at historic low levels now and wages are higher with most people feeling more confident about their futures. The battle cry is to get Trump out of office as quickly as possible so Progressive leaders can get the country on a new direction. Progressives gather in groups, memorize the dogma and throw eggs at beautiful young women who attend Trump rallies. There is no reasoning with Progressive democrats who have stolen the democratic party from Liberal democrats. Progressives want to return to the stone age and submit to whatever punishment their leaders can create. Never question what their leadership might say. If they say Trump is a racist, then you better believe it or you might be scorned and kicked out of your group.

Say no to low unemployment in the private sector and grow the public sector. But how will wages for public school teachers grow when the middle class collapses with higher taxes and corporations are punished with higher taxes that cause loss of jobs to people in the private sector? I know this is very confusing for all progressives who believe their view of the world based on propaganda a hate gives conflicting signals. How will your wages grow if you screw everyone who works in the private sector who pay for your retirement?? If the economy sucks like it was under President Obama who stated only 1.5 GDP growth is possible, where does the tax money come from to support schools? How many economics classes have any Progressives ever taken to know about supply and demand etc? Can the government just keep printing money to increase your salaries?

Progressives get fulfillment by watching the alleged news provided on NBC, CNN, MSMBC, CBS, ABC. Or perhaps they digest New York Times. wait a minute it was those news networks that conspired with John Podesta and Hillary Clinton to steal the nomination before the democratic convention all proven by the hacked e-mails between the candidate and the news outlets. They picked Hillary over B. Sanders. Who will they pick next time? Could it be Hitler Jr? If so you will all be on board. Propaganda and nonsense rules you. Hate all private corporations and independent individuals even though they might sign your pay check. Corporations, individuals who hope for more upward mobility need to be punished. You were told that in school and by the media. Those you have been conditioned to hate are greedy selfish bastards who must be put down. We need more regulations and to impose rigid control on the American population because there are some who even dare to oppose the Paris Climate accord. We must punish them with more taxes so college professors can get all expense paid for trips to Europe to attend Climate group think conferences. Don't dare deny everything you are told about global warming or just climate change itself. It is all just to difficult to understand so you must be a believer above all else and hunt down all who deny the solutions created by the alleged Climate Experts. It doesn't matter if you never took a chemistry class and others who question the logic of the Climate Experts who have Chemistry degrees say Climate Experts have a bogus plan created to steal tax dollars. The important thing is to believe in climate change as if everyone with half a brain doesn't already know the climate will always continue to change like our bodies change as we age. Those who never took a science class think they are on to something with this climate change issue. Wow the climate is changing how scary it that?? What are we going to do? Can't sleep now maybe? That is much more scary than a home invasion right? Americans who do not want to contribute their fair share to stopping climate warming or cooling must be identified a audited by the IRS or be questioned by attorneys working with Mueller in the Russian probe.

What do progressives really want? They want a power elite group to worship and will be happy to submit to slavery and will pick rocks every day for the rest of their lives believing they have won something. The ruling class will tell them that some other nasty group or maybe a private corporation still in existence could be responsible for their need to swing the pick 12 hours a day for bread and water as a reward. Nothing to worry about because your progressive leaders will hunt down the group or corporation responsible. Meanwhile keeping swinging your pick and obey the Master.

Joseph Stalin, leader of another wonderful socialist totalitarian system was quoted saying "Americans are the most gullible people on the face of the Earth with the exception of the British". During WW2 Roosevelt said "Joe is my friend" but trusting Franklin never knew that Stalin could speak and read and write in English and had spies in Roosevelt's government controlling the State Department and treasury. Why did so much money go to the USSR instead of our troops fighting in the Pacific in WW2? Stalin always had an interrupter with him when in conference with his best friend Franklin Roosevelt who sold out all the citizens of Eastern Europe and allowed the Soviet Union to kidnap and send 50,000 American and British soldiers to Russia to spend the rest of their lives in a gulag. Yes the Roosevelt administration classified that theft of heroic American soldiers as Top Secret so relatives would think their loved ones had been killed in the war. It appears that Roosevelt and the people working for him in the State department liked Stalin and the Soviet Union more than their own young airmen and soldier who were citizens of the US. Yes it makes good sense that Progressives believe that those who enter our country now illegally are more important than the actual citizens who pay taxes. If you are a true believer it makes sense for sure. It is better for illegals to get free medical care than citizens along with free education where citizens have to pay those taxes to keep schools open. And it is fun to pay more taxes to support law enforcement and the court system so illegals can get free legal assistance. Only when a loved one is murdered by a illegal do any Progressives question the logic of their Master Progressive leaders that the political position of getting more votes potentially from those who enter our country illegally is more important than basic public safety. It was only blind luck that Truman was selected as Vice President at the democratic convention before Roosevelt's last election or the God Father of all Progressives "Henry Wallace" would have ruined our country a long time ago and America would now have a similar economy to Bulgaria now.

Trump is the outsider who has been the first President in a long time to actually make the lives of individual Americans better and they still don't know it because their minds have been conditioned to the point where their is no chance for them to think for themselves as individuals. But i still pray for some of them to become Independent logical thinkers because you are not a winner when your party does win an election. It is fools gold.

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LOCK HIM UP!  LOCK HIM UP!  LOCK HIM UP!
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Post  Murph on Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:59 pm

Good luck trying to take the Senate. That isn't going to happen. And please don't tell me you're going to vote for Debbie Stabenow over John James for the Senate in MI. Please grow a pair


And instead of proving collusion, Mueller has proven Manaforte cheated on his taxes and Cohen paid hush money to a porn star. lol Yeah, that's well worth $25 million of our tax dollars.
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If the Senate voted to disqualify an impeached and convicted President from future office, he/she could never serve the office again.
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