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Post  Murph on Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:25 pm

DX...good post.

DX and Wise...I'll keep an open mind on Kennard as a PG. It's too bad Kennard isn't playing in the summer league to showcase his PG skills. Bring back Arnie Kanter.

deusXango wrote:Does anyone remember how quick and athletic John Stockton (HOFer) was? What about Steve Nash (2X MVP winner)? Both had deadly outside shots and were extremely smart and selfless, that I remember, and clever with the ball...didn't pound the air out of it before leaving a teammate out on a cliff, with a late shot clock pass. Handles are overrated unless your objective is to be a hog. Pass the rock, don't hold it! A 6' 6" PG has so many advantages when he's highly intelligent, can see the floor, and play a "team first," not "me first" brand of basketball. I think this is what the current brain trust see in Kennard, and are willing to make a committed investment in. The team doesn't have a defensive demon playing PG now, it also doesn't have a thinking PG who makes those on the floor with him better. IMHO Kennard has what it takes to be a greater weapon as a PG than merely a 40% 3 point shooter...we've got that in Bullock and maybe others (Thomas), but how many potential floor generals do we have? It's easier for an athlete to develop handles than grow a brain. If he's clever enough with the ball (not letting it stick in his hands) developing handles will come easier.

PG's that I railed against in Detroit, but weren't real team leaders, were Lindsey Hunter (quick, athletic, with handles, but dumb as a box of rocks.) Shooting? Couldn't hit a mule in the ass with a bass fiddle. Rodney Stuckey (big and strong was how he was billed, but sorely lacked leadership skills) who Fat Joe had too much "man love" for. Brandon Jennings, who had too much "me" in his game. He was quick and gifted with awesome handles, could see the floor, but was more interested in being a volume scorer; that's not how you lead a team unless you're Allen Iverson. Speaking of Iverson, when he came here he was too old and his presence alone destroyed one of the great Pistons backcourts and started our downward spiral. Reggie Jackson. What can I say that hasn't been seen by all? The poster child for selfishness! Give Kennard a chance. Is it a big mystery why we loved Isiah Thomas and Chauncey Billups so much? Smart and cagey.

Murph, I'm in agreement with you that Calderon is great, for one year, and Eric Moreland is invaluable as a backup center for us. One of the positives SVG left behind was the development of a high energy, low priced big man. He's a keeper!
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I Have No Doubt Kennard Can Do It

Post  WTF on Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:14 pm

Murph wrote:I could be wrong, but I don't envision Kennard ever playing the point effectively.  He is just not quick enough, athletic enough, nor does he have good enough handles. Don't get me wrong, I love Kennard as a starting SG.  I just don't see him as a PG.

The same could have been said about Chauncey who also converted from being a natural SG.  But Kennard might even be quicker he has a very deceptive first step he's faster than he looks.   Also you don't have to be fast to take care of the ball nor do you need exceptional handles either, it's being smart and taking care of the ball.
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Smart and Cagey PG's have always been close to my heart

Post  deusXango on Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:32 am

Does anyone remember how quick and athletic John Stockton (HOFer) was? What about Steve Nash (2X MVP winner)? Both had deadly outside shots and were extremely smart and selfless, that I remember, and clever with the ball...didn't pound the air out of it before leaving a teammate out on a cliff, with a late shot clock pass. Handles are overrated unless your objective is to be a hog. Pass the rock, don't hold it! A 6' 6" PG has so many advantages when he's highly intelligent, can see the floor, and play a "team first," not "me first" brand of basketball. I think this is what the current brain trust see in Kennard, and are willing to make a committed investment in. The team doesn't have a defensive demon playing PG now, it also doesn't have a thinking PG who makes those on the floor with him better. IMHO Kennard has what it takes to be a greater weapon as a PG than merely a 40% 3 point shooter...we've got that in Bullock and maybe others (Thomas), but how many potential floor generals do we have? It's easier for an athlete to develop handles than grow a brain. If he's clever enough with the ball (not letting it stick in his hands) developing handles will come easier.

PG's that I railed against in Detroit, but weren't real team leaders, were Lindsey Hunter (quick, athletic, with handles, but dumb as a box of rocks.) Shooting? Couldn't hit a mule in the ass with a bass fiddle. Rodney Stuckey (big and strong was how he was billed, but sorely lacked leadership skills) who Fat Joe had too much "man love" for. Brandon Jennings, who had too much "me" in his game. He was quick and gifted with awesome handles, could see the floor, but was more interested in being a volume scorer; that's not how you lead a team unless you're Allen Iverson. Speaking of Iverson, when he came here he was too old and his presence alone destroyed one of the great Pistons backcourts and started our downward spiral. Reggie Jackson. What can I say that hasn't been seen by all? The poster child for selfishness! Give Kennard a chance. Is it a big mystery why we loved Isiah Thomas and Chauncey Billups so much? Smart and cagey.

Murph, I'm in agreement with you that Calderon is great, for one year, and Eric Moreland is invaluable as a backup center for us. One of the positives SVG left behind was the development of a high energy, low priced big man. He's a keeper!
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PGs and Moreland

Post  Murph on Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:40 am

I see that the Hoopshype rumors are that George Hill, Jon Leuer and Ish Smith are all on the block.  Come on Detroit and Cleveland, make it happen.  Then bring Reggie off the bench.


I could be wrong, but I don't envision Kennard ever playing the point effectively.  He is just not quick enough, athletic enough, nor does he have good enough handles. Don't get me wrong, I love Kennard as a starting SG.  I just don't see him as a PG.


Why I like the Jose Calderon acquisition:

1.  He's a pass first PG.  He's the anti-Reggie and anti-Ish PG.
2.  He's smart.
3.  He's a vet.
4.  He played in the Finals last season.
5.  He had a great year.
6.  He shot 50% from the field.
7.  He shot 46% from the 3 point line.
8.  He's an old favorite of Casey's from Toronto.
9.  He only makes $2.4 million for 1 year.


So long Dwight Buycks.  We hardly knew ye.


In my opinion, all of the above moves would go a long way toward fixing our PG issues.



The Pistons need to seriously pick up Moreland's contract.  At $1.8 million a year, he represents one of the biggest bargains in the NBA.  And we desperately need a back-up center.  What are we waiting for?
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Things I'm Not Feeling Right Now

Post  WTF on Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:42 pm

Jose: Now this is just some dumb **** here and I don't find it smart at all and I know we could have done better than this.  I have no issue with bringing a vet but can we gets some value for the money we spend.  This crap only makes sense if we're for certain moving both RJ and Ish for real and not for play so for now it's on the dumb **** list.

Overall: Collectively the moves don't make sense and reeks of potential confusion.  We seem to be all over the board as to what direction the team needs to go.  I get it we had two 2nd round picks so something had to be done with them so there it is we drafted 2 more guards which I don't think we needed to but it happened.   Casey say's Win Now but these aren't Win Now moves seem it would have been smarter to just trade those picks we need to eliminate some payroll more than adding projects.   Every move needs to be definitive, precise, and purposeful towards a clear direction.   We need to eliminate all the freaking if's about what needs to be done and what will work.

You all say give it a chance but I see the same bad tendencies of past management and coaches that we should not be looking at as some form of new norm that the thinking that threw Joe out of sync to start the downfall.  We are we going to stop throwing **** at the wall hoping it stick and right now that what it looks like to me.

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Things I'm Feeling Good About

Post  WTF on Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:24 pm

Luke Kennard:  I like the idea of trying him a PG because I think it could work so I do believe and promote that idea.  I think in some way Luke could a tiny version of CB in the sense that he's has a high BB IQ, he can shot the 3 and won't make too many mistakes.  He would be more adapt at getting the ball to both BG and AD.  I just don't think that RJ even healthy will make all the right and smart decisions physically he's capable but mentally it's just not there so I'm promoting this decision  for that reason.  Hopefully Casey isn't full of SVG and just talking to me talking.  I said last season we should use Luke at PG and I think SVG did try it but for one game.

Glen Robinson III:  Now I love all things Maze and Blue and what would make me go insane is if we could somehow land his teammates Trey and Tim Jr.  I like this pick up because I felt just like I did with Trey that these guys didn't land with the right teams.  Both should have been Pistons right off the back and the bonus would have been Tim here with his dad still.   So I applaud this pick up and actually rather groom and nurture GRIII oppose to Stanley we do know that Glen can shot it we saw that at UM in fact we know all three of these guys can shoot it.  This pick up did make me smile  tb


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Post  WTF on Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:51 am

deusXango wrote:
Murph wrote:I'd be all for trading BG and RJ, if we could find takers.  But BG is often injured and literally has the worst contract in the NBA, and RJ has missed most of the past two seasons.  Realistically, I don't see any takers for those two.
In all practically we can trade one of them; I vote that RJ should be the one to go. AD and BG have yet to be coached by a legitimate great coaching mind of today! Damn yesterday in a land far away, great coaching here and now. Any thing is possible and I think if the Leonard trade blows up in LA face they just might be willing to absorb BG's contract.  

And my opinion of Drummond differs from yours.  (Reasonable people can have different opinions.  We don't have to go attacking each other over it.)
Great line Murph!! All to often we take a difference of opinion as a call to verbal war instead of a platform for discussion.  Blah Blah Blah, Blah Blah Blah Blah 


Drummond is only 24 years old, is our only current All Star, is an athletic freak, has outstanding individual stats and advanced stats, and gets along with everyone.  We could trade Drummond, but why would we want to?
Never understood why some used those positive traits as reasons to build a case for trading Drummond all while highlighting one blown play that kept us from the 8th seed. A great Pistons defender, who fans loved, blew a play that cost us a championship, but no one made a crusade, day after day, to vilify that player like he was some sort of pariah. Drummond is our big man who thus far hasn't had any real coaching or All-Star talent to play with since he's been in Detroit. We would want to if a rebuild is a direction to in, AD is all but gone when his contract is up I'm almost certain he's no different than the rest of the league players that eventually bounce to be part of some super roster. IMO it's going to happen and isn't AD contract up before both RJ and BG are?  There's tons to considered but only 2 true directions this team should be looking at right now and that IMO is win now or rebuild quickly I don't see a middle or at least I do but it's paved with a lot of if's.

We should have built around Drummond with more good young players like Tobias Harris and draft picks.  But SVG lost his sh*t, and mortgaged our future for Griffin.
I agree totally! The news of the time was how to trade Avery Bradley, not Tobias Harris and our first round pick. Now we could be looking at a frontline of Drummond, Harris, and Randle (yeah Julius Randle!) with a first round pick to develop, and be coming out cheaper. I expect someone who was at the dinner table when Tom Gores told SVG to pull the trigger on that sh!t to jump up and challenge me on this. See I'm reading some shoulda, coulda woulda in both you and Oracle take on this.  Yes we should have done a lot of things different under both Joe and SVG but none of it happened, so now we're banking on it to be different but it can't be because of what both Joe and SVG left the new regime to deal with.  AD is great but IMO we don't need to build around him and this isn't a knock on him but you build around offensive players and as I most often moan about AD is that he's not a consistent 20-20 guy and that's what he needs to be. 

So now, IMO, we have to play out this hand, at least until Griffin's and RJ contracts run out, or they stay healthy enough that we can trade them. Ae can play it out but I don't see it as a most or only solution.  Again there's a lot of money locked up on these 3 players the kind of money you spend on NBA title contending teams.  Some think that's 55 wins and an ECF run shouldn't be required and a little to lofty of expectation.  Are we really getting our monies worth expecting less. 
This IMHO is pure Pistons Talk (muddied up only by my inane comments) and "playing out this hand" should be fun to watch. Luke Kennard in PG training, developing pit bulls, common sense, competitive SF's, and what will Reggie Bullock morph into this season? Will Drummond and Griffin resurrect the historical interior big man play (center and PF) and play it a level of excellence that hasn't been seen in a while. Yeah, this was food for thought for me. Oracle there's are a hand full of things to think about if there was any real certainty to any of it, but the use of words in your comments like Should or Will provides no definitive answers.  Letting go of the past would be more reasonable if SVG was the only issue, he was a big issue and a lot of the issue just not all of it.  AD is still 2 years behind or he may have reached his peak,  BG couldn't carry LA and I won't even start on my view of RJ.  But it's just my opinion. 


















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Post  deusXango on Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:14 am

Murph wrote:I'd be all for trading BG and RJ, if we could find takers.  But BG is often injured and literally has the worst contract in the NBA, and RJ has missed most of the past two seasons.  Realistically, I don't see any takers for those two.
In all practically we can trade one of them; I vote that RJ should be the one to go. AD and BG have yet to be coached by a legitimate great coaching mind of today! Damn yesterday in a land far away, great coaching here and now.

And my opinion of Drummond differs from yours.  (Reasonable people can have different opinions.  We don't have to go attacking each other over it.)
Great line Murph!! All to often we take a difference of opinion as a call to verbal war instead of a platform for discussion.  


Drummond is only 24 years old, is our only current All Star, is an athletic freak, has outstanding individual stats and advanced stats, and gets along with everyone.  We could trade Drummond, but why would we want to?
Never understood why some used those positive traits as reasons to build a case for trading Drummond all while highlighting one blown play that kept us from the 8th seed. A great Pistons defender, who fans loved, blew a play that cost us a championship, but no one made a crusade, day after day, to vilify that player like he was some sort of pariah. Drummond is our big man who thus far hasn't had any real coaching or All-Star talent to play with since he's been in Detroit.

We should have built around Drummond with more good young players like Tobias Harris and draft picks.  But SVG lost his sh*t, and mortgaged our future for Griffin.
I agree totally! The news of the time was how to trade Avery Bradley, not Tobias Harris and our first round pick. Now we could be looking at a frontline of Drummond, Harris, and Randle (yeah Julius Randle!) with a first round pick to develop, and be coming out cheaper. I expect someone who was at the dinner table when Tom Gores told SVG to pull the trigger on that sh!t to jump up and challenge me on this.

So now, IMO, we have to play out this hand, at least until Griffin's and RJ contracts run out, or they stay healthy enough that we can trade them.
This IMHO is pure Pistons Talk (muddied up only by my inane comments) and "playing out this hand" should be fun to watch. Luke Kennard in PG training, developing pit bulls, common sense, competitive SF's, and what will Reggie Bullock morph into this season? Will Drummond and Griffin resurrect the historical interior big man play (center and PF) and play it a level of excellence that hasn't been seen in a while. Yeah, this was food for thought for me.


















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Re: FORUM

Post  Murph on Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:05 am

I'd be all for trading BG and RJ, if we could find takers. But BG is often injured and literally has the worst contract in the NBA, and RJ has missed most of the past two seasons. Realistically, I don't see any takers for those two.

And my opinion of Drummond differs from yours. (Reasonable people can have different opinions. We don't have to go attacking each other over it.)

Drummond is only 24 years old, is our only current All Star, is an athletic freak, has outstanding individual stats and advanced stats, and gets along with everyone. We could trade Drummond, but why would we want to?

We should have built around Drummond with more good young players like Tobias Harris and draft picks. But SVG lost his sh*t, and mortgaged our future for Griffin.

So now, IMO, we have to play out this hand, at least until Griffin's and RJ contracts run out, or they stay healthy enough that we can trade them.
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My Negativity For Today

Post  WTF on Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:33 am

I smell an opportunity lurking one that says we can completely star fresh is we could rid ourselves of all three of what is considered our core.   AD or BG to the Lakers perhaps or perhaps the Cavs might be willing to bite on one of them.  I think RJ can be move thus a complete rebuild is possible.  

I'm currently not impressed thus far but then again I did say the proof will come at season's end  tb
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Happy 4th of July to America and all of my fellow Posters!

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Post  Oracle on Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:36 pm

Don wrote:Everyone seems to like taking a swipe at Stanley Johnson as if he had been picked number on in the first round. Johnson is and always will be a good complimentary player who fills a role on a high achieving team.
I seriously can't believe you're saying this!


I don't see Stanley as a role player anymore, I expect a LOT more. The fact is that we're in the shape we're in because of the failure of Stanley to live up to ANY of his expectations. He's a complete and total failure based on who and what he said he was(best player in the draft), and what YOU said he was... a star, not a role player.

You can revise history now, but don't expect us to forget, unless you're admitting you were wrong about Stanley, then it's all good.

BTW, I'm also shocked to see you reference his draft order as some sort of excuse. You never used that lame excuse when you expected KCP to perform at star level, raise the play of others, and stop star players on every team from scoring.

If you expected all of that from KCP BEFORE his rookie contract was up, why not Stanley, who you've claimed to be so much better?

I still believe that Stanley is a hidden gem, and will blossom under the right coaching, sadly, you don't see the connection for a lot of talented young players who suffer through poor coaching like SVG's.
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Re: FORUM

Post  cool breeze on Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:23 pm

[quote="BallinD"]Why rush to sign Calderone so fast unless we're setting up a trade for Ish, Galloway and/or maybe Leuer.  It seems like maybe this FO will be as active as SVB, but not as dumb.  Time will tell.  Too bad about Tolliver.  I wanted us to keep him, and the Noahalytics shooting application seemed dope and could help the whole team.

I'm not mad at taking a flyer on a young wing, GRIII, but it probably cost us Tolliver.  Athleticism, youth, n potential upside vs shooting, fit and leadership?

Calderone can help us, maybe.  Let's hope he's more Beno and less Blake.

@DeusXango:  I'm hoping SJ doesn't need more incentive in his show and prove year before his rookie contract runs out.  I hope we can run Bullock at the three if neither GRIII nor SJ show what we need to see.  Things are starting to look interesting, going into Summer League.  There is probably another shoe or two to drop.  

Ballin I agree with your thoughts that signing two players who are in the category of leftovers shows the desperation within the Piston organization. Calderon better be a good player coach for the new draftees. He is way past his prime. This organization will not admit that they backed a dying horse by spending the entire payroll for losing caliber players. The Pistons desperately need a high caliber point guard so they pick Jose. I think that Buycks has much more potential to contribute to a more competitive team. 10 years ago, getting Calderon might have been a big deal for the Pistons. Not now. This team is trapped because of low performing players who have suckered this owner into paying them star caliber money. So the new management team tries to pick off lower priced players to fill out the roster.

Everyone seems to like taking a swipe at Stanley Johnson as if he had been picked number on in the first round. Johnson is and always will be a good complimentary player who fills a role on a high achieving team. He knows that and will find a new home next season where he will shine. Expecting Johnson to somehow become Labron when he plays with a completely dysfunctional selfish point guard that reduces the Piston offense to play low IQ basketball with the one two punch pick and roll featuring All Star AD and his sidekick RJ makes the other three starters look like they belong in the G League. Point guards can make or break careers. There is no way to trade RJ so being he makes so much money the owner will not stand for bringing him off the bench. Also, AD would have tantrum if RJ came off the bench. He wants the ball. Got to build up the stats. Johnson wants to start over in a more functional setting. Most likely the Pistons won't be able to sign him anyway due to the current payroll. The situation is hopeless right now in Piston land. I just hope this management team can get something perhaps draft picks for Johnson but there are no players that any other NBA team wants on this Piston roster to include in a trade for Johnson. Nobody wants the following based on the current money they are making and their attitude towards winning and playing the right way.

1. Blake Griffin
2. AD
3. RJ
4. Jon Leur
5. L. Galloway
6. Ish Smith
7. Robinson
8. Calderon

Good luck with that bunch. If you had been sleeping for the past 4 years after being in a coma and suddenly woke up and asked about who was currently playing for the Pistons the news might make you go right back into the coma. There are really no real star players who are known for being on winning teams ever except for Griffin and his team fell flat in the playoffs.

The Pistons have young players who have never been real down right winners either. But if I were the head coach and had a guaranteed contract, I would give the most minutes next season to Kennard, Johnson (if he is not traded before training camp), Moreland, Ellenson, the two draft picks and the best performing players available in the G League. Rest the vets for the next season. Try to lose every game and up the odds of securing the number one pick in the draft. That sounds crazy but to me this is the best strategy moving forward. Who in hell wants to watch AD shoot jump shots and get more meaningless rebounds while also watching him throw the outlet pass after securing rebound to an opposing player? He is just not a smart winning type player and never will be one. RJ is a simpleton one dimensional two guard who has convinced owners like Tom Gores that he is possibly an All Star caliber point guard. Griffin is past his prime big time. Leuer and Galloway are nothing more than G League type players. Leuer would struggle in the G League.

All is not lost basketball fans. There will be some great games being played in the West after everything shakes out this summer. The East has maybe two or three competitive teams with Boston, Washington, Philly. Miami teams always play hard unlike our Pistons. Milwaukee might surprise us because they have some good players with one superstar. Toronto will win a lot of Eastern conference matchups but do not impress me much. That leaves our Pistons in position to make the playoffs. But don't let that fool anyone. The Pistons might only make the playoffs by default because the Eastern Conference is a place where losers play in. The action is in the Western Conference who have stolen most of the great players. Piston games will be dull for sure just looking at that list above makes me ill. Just trade Johnson and get it over with Piston management. He is worth a number one pick at least. Notice there is no news coverage about how the team might sign Johnson in the future? No money and not a good fit. The Pistons need more hot dog type players. Maybe bring back Will Bynum. Calderon is making his 2nd trip to the Pistons. Why not bring Bynum out of retirement? Bring back Charlie V too. Sorry but I was briefly trying to think of more ways for the Pistons to lose games so they can finally have a chance to draft a good player.



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Handicapping?

Post  Sparma on Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:08 am

Given the state of the NBA, I think we should start handicapping the sport as happens in golf and chess.  For example, Joe's a beginning chess player so get a queen advantage when playing Jess, while someone gets only a bishop or pawn advantage.

Specifically, I want us to be able to instantly tag in Max Hooper for Stanley Johnson when a 3 pointer is called for, creating a platoon aimed at allowing us to bridge our deficit.  But only against GS, LA, Houston, Boston, and Philly.  Maybe OKC too, the first team over the 300 mil threshold for salaries and tax. Or maybe we just get to add Hooper as a sixth player standing at the 3 point line when going up against those teams.

Dude shot over 200 times in college at Oakland with ZERO 2 pointers, a record.  Stanley gets to complement Max Hooper with the rest of his game.
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The curse of the Pistons after Van Gundy took over...injuries!

Post  deusXango on Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:29 pm

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, ARNIE KANDER!!! Arnie resurrected careers, kept players on the floor, and minimized the down time when players were hurt. His record in Detroit speaks for itself. SVG chose to dump him for no legitimate reason immediately after he took over. A great gift for Dwane Casey would be if Ed Stefanski could bring back Arnie Kander.
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Summer League... not so exciting now!

Post  Oracle on Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:24 pm

We've suffered two very depressing losses to our roster for summer league.

Luke Kennard, who we were looking forward to using at PG, has been struck down by a knee strain, which appears to be serious enough that he will miss the entire affair.

If that wasn't bad enough, Keenan Evans has suffered a foot injury which again, removes him from the roster.

Man, injuries cropping up before the preseason even gets started... What the flying f**k!
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Lonzo

Post  Murph on Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:13 am

Oracle, I sense that the Lakers have had it with LeVar's act.  Pulling his kid from UCLA, having them play in Lithuania, and starting his own shoe company and semi-pro league is way too much.  And all of that is on the back of the Lakers image.  I'm guessing Magic and the Lakers are not amused.

IMO, they are going to ship Lonzo, along with Kuzma, Ingram and maybe a 1st rounder or two to San Antonio for Kawhi.


Now that Lebron has signed with LA, the Pistons need to offer Leuer, Ish and maybe a young player to Cleveland for George Hill.   Cleveland needs to rebuild.

Then the Pistons need to bring Reggie off the bench, and let him go wild.  He would tear up opposing 2nd units for instant offense.  If healthy, Reggie would be a candidate for 6th man of the year.  

And George Hill would be a calming, veteran influence on the starting unit.


I was underwhelmed by the Glenn Robinson signing.  I mean how many 6'6 SFs do we need?  But the one thing I like about the Robinson signing is that he's a Michigan alumn.  IMO, the Pistons should make a point of trying to acquire UM and MSU alumns, when it makes sense.  I mean the State of Michigan is not a natural destination for NBA players...unless they have a connection to the state, because they went to college there.  The Pistons should try to take advantage of that connection, whenever possible.


I sort of like Jose Calderon as a 3rd string PG, but his signing reminds of when SVG brought in the 37 year old Jameer Nelson. lol


The Pistons need to pick up Moreland's option.
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You'll be able to hear the whining coming from LA all the way here...

Post  Oracle on Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:08 am

Lonzo Ball will have to compete against Rondo for the starting PG job  lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

Sorry, I got tired of laughing! Obviously this is a joke, but the joke is on Ball, he doesn't have a chance.

But Daddy Ball, LaVar will take to the air waves and whine his arse off, the dude will explode... and that should make quite a noise  lol lol
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Wow!

Post  Sparma on Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:02 pm

I appreciate your overture regarding KCP, Oracle; ultimately time will tell.

The Cousins signing by GS is unbelievable!

Can't believe some of the moves LA is making.  Opting out on Randle!!?  Dude's emerging as a star as best I could tell.  Signing KCP (I do think having the same agent as LeBron helped there) and Rondo for significant deals that block a second max FA signing if I'm understanding it right, but moving on from Randle?!  I thought they'd be signing Cousins, then doubted that they had the space to do so, then saw he's signing for the (tax payers, 5.2? mil) mid-level exception.  Incredible stuff.

Could Howard possibly make his way back to LA, having made a mess of things before, but with a different crew (except that Kobe's still around)?

Now the Lakers are back to really, really needing to swing that Kawhi deal.  Or can they afford to wait it out a year and hope he comes then?  I heard a sports talk person opine that LeBron has two years left at the very highest level.  I'm guessing LeBron still has a while as a superstar though.

Meanwhile our moves pale in comparison, bringing in Robinson and Calderon, but losing Tolliver and presumably Ennis and Buycks.  Really minor stuff competitively, sad as I am to see Tolliver go.

The NBA's becoming like the British Premier league where six (or fewer!) teams have a chance to win the title.  Or maybe more accurately: to have the chance to face off against GS in the conference or NBA finals.  Maybe someday we get to be that once in a lifetime Leicester City shocker.  At least we know that there won't be a fifth straight GS-Cleveland showdown.

We don't belong in the same league as GS.


Oracle wrote:Reports: DeMarcus Cousins joining Golden State Warriors

Beginning to smell like...

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Warriors to LeBron & Houston: Check and Mate Mofo

Post  Oracle on Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:12 pm

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Glenn Robinson lll & Calseron

Post  Oracle on Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:55 pm

DX, I had reservations as well, but in his defense, when he was healthy, he was a better player than Stanley, IMO. However, I still think Stanley's upside is higher and hasn't even been tapped, thanks to SVG.

He will push Stanley, but maybe it's just me, but I'm sick of these undersized dudes we seem to keep being attracted. Avery Bradley was another, but at least he had star quality talent when healthy.

Calderon is a good pickup, you just hope he never needs to play. He was fantastic for the Cavs, and has looked good in general, but he's insurance, and you only need insurance when something goes wrong.

I think even more than that, the latest signings just remind me of how much of a non factor we are right now. It's like the NBA had a party, and worse than being a wall flower, we weren't even invited  Sad

Sparma: I'm sorry if I missed something in your response... wouldn't be the first time  lol. If you want to explain further, I'll keep an open mind.
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I wonder if

Post  deusXango on Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:54 pm

The new wrinkle in NBA basketball, as played in the east, is going to be "small ball" played to the extreme. Why else would we have a roster loaded with SG's and SG sized SF's? Our big men are not to be confused with legitimate big men, with the recent infusion of 7 footers with enormous wingspans, but strong ass players who play the paint. Although Drummond and Griffin aren't overwhelming in height, they may well turn out to be two of the most formidable big men in the east, because of their strength, once chemistry is established. This is why I like Ellenson...possible replacement for Tolliver, Moreland, and Leuer.

Before Don goes into one of his defense tirades, LCA is not an empty arena because defense is not being played at an excellent level, but it's an empty cavern because the games are not exciting, for the money being paid at the turnstiles and player salaries. Win or loose, the Pistons must play exciting basketball until the payroll is brought under control and the arena is filled. We need to become fiscally responsible and load up our "war chest" with first round picks. We need time to develop our neglected young players and establish a team identity. Let's stop talking sh!t about "win now" because we don't have what it takes to win now...SVG constructed a real Frankenstein of a franchise during the time he was here. Top to bottom we suck in some way and I can't believe some wanted to give "Mr. Destructor" another season to complete the madness he started. I'm liking Casey because he has a vision and the willingness to try and dig us out of this madness...that's not an overnight job.

If Reggie Jackson (a combo/SG) can be transformed into a non-defensive PG, why can't the same be done with Luke Kennard? Luke has more going for him, skill wise, and he's damn sure not as fragile and selfish. Got to watch my mouth because there's some that still think RJ is the sh!t, but there's some out there that's curious to see how much Kennard can be developed.

Well, I've rambled enough, it's almost time for Summer League where I'd love to have seen Stanley Johnson participate. It's not like it'd be an insult to the team and he couldn't use the time with Ellenson, Kennard, Thomas, and Brown.


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Post  Sparma on Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:56 pm

I tried to make my case, Oracle, but it looks like the facts on your side. Once again. Moving on.


Oracle wrote:Sparma, you're struggling with phantoms, the future is never guaranteed, and if I'm good, I love the prove it situations because if you're good, you'll win every time.

What confuses you is somehow you've conflated financial stability with reality.

Reality, as of now KCP averages 15M/yr... FACT! He loses 1M/per because the Piston offer was 16M, chump change in their world, and who wouldn't take that loss to play with LeBron and for the Lakers as opposed to with SVG or Reggie.

Of course if you want to speculate on the future, IMO, the future is even brighter for KCP next season when loads of teams have tons of money to spend. The Lakers may offer him a good deal, or he could walk for more.

Sparma, reality is that if you're a 25 year old player that still hasn't hit his prime, financial stability is damn near guaranteed(barring injury, but that's what insurance is for).
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Post  Oracle on Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:03 pm

Sparma, you're struggling with phantoms, the future is never guaranteed, and if I'm good, I love the prove it situations because if you're good, you'll win every time.

What confuses you is somehow you've conflated financial stability with reality.

Reality, as of now KCP averages 15M/yr... FACT! He loses 1M/per because the Piston offer was 16M, chump change in their world, and who wouldn't take that loss to play with LeBron and for the Lakers as opposed to with SVG or Reggie.

Of course if you want to speculate on the future, IMO, the future is even brighter for KCP next season when loads of teams have tons of money to spend. The Lakers may offer him a good deal, or he could walk for more.

Sparma, reality is that if you're a 25 year old player that still hasn't hit his prime, financial stability is damn near guaranteed(barring injury, but that's what insurance is for).
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Maybe They're Dancing The Two Step

Post  BallinD on Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:07 pm

Why rush to sign Calderone so fast unless we're setting up a trade for Ish, Galloway and/or maybe Leuer. It seems like maybe this FO will be as active as SVB, but not as dumb. Time will tell. Too bad about Tolliver. I wanted us to keep him, and the Noahalytics shooting application seemed dope and could help the whole team.

I'm not mad at taking a flyer on a young wing, GRIII, but it probably cost us Tolliver. Athleticism, youth, n potential upside vs shooting, fit and leadership?

Calderone can help us, maybe. Let's hope he's more Beno and less Blake.

@DeusXango: I'm hoping SJ doesn't need more incentive in his show and prove year before his rookie contract runs out. I hope we can run Bullock at the three if neither GRIII nor SJ show what we need to see. Things are starting to look interesting, going into Summer League. There is probably another shoe or two to drop.

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