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Post  Sparma on Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:08 am

I'll second the no Kyrie sentiment, WTF. No D, no making teammates better, no winning without LeBron. No thanks.

He's a super offensive weapon on the right team, i.e., Cleveland with LeBron. Let him try to carry them the year after next without LeBron if he wants to be the man.

Besides, until some others, I see Drummond making a significant step forward this year, albeit not to superstar status. I think we can expect a bit for defensive intensity, a bit more focus on team results.

btw, I read a NYTimes piece that reveals the secret to improving FT shooting by 9% overnight. The secret? Get ten hours of sleep. Scientifically tested. I wonder if SVG would give me a consulting fee?


WTF wrote:This team isn't setup for a player like Kyrie,  the other issue do we really want this kind of player?  As far as the PG position for this team goes please present with another Isiah Thomas or another Chauncey Billups.   These are the kind of leaders and the type of leaders we need.  We need Kyrie like we need Reggie Jackson in others word we don't need either.  

Now before I get beat up on this if we had the type of players that could or would compliment Kyrie's talents then by all means we don't.  Lets not get it twisted Kyrie only has a ring because of Lebron and no other reason.  The Cavs at best with Kyrie before James return would not have even made the ECF yet alone win a NBA Title.

Also these comments aren't to speak badly about Kyrie more so than to say our current group don't measure up enough to be team mates with a player like Kyrie.  If Drummond was balling like a Mutumbo or an Alonzo,  if Harris was shooting like a Glen Rice or Horrey  and our SG was a young Joe Dumars.   If this team made in the fashion of the 76'er team that AI carried to the Finals then yeah Kyrie would work.  

Even more so if SVG was a competent enough coach to handle a player like Kyrie, but he struggle with Howard, and can't gather enough growth out of the fringe players we currently have so again a big fat NO to ponying up and trade for Kyrie.  We want a team not a one man show.  
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No Kyrie

Post  WTF on Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:46 pm

This team isn't setup for a player like Kyrie, the other issue do we really want this kind of player? As far as the PG position for this team goes please present with another Isiah Thomas or another Chauncey Billups. These are the kind of leaders and the type of leaders we need. We need Kyrie like we need Reggie Jackson in others word we don't need either.

Now before I get beat up on this if we had the type of players that could or would compliment Kyrie's talents then by all means we don't. Lets not get it twisted Kyrie only has a ring because of Lebron and no other reason. The Cavs at best with Kyrie before James return would not have even made the ECF yet alone win a NBA Title.

Also these comments aren't to speak badly about Kyrie more so than to say our current group don't measure up enough to be team mates with a player like Kyrie. If Drummond was balling like a Mutumbo or an Alonzo, if Harris was shooting like a Glen Rice or Horrey and our SG was a young Joe Dumars. If this team made in the fashion of the 76'er team that AI carried to the Finals then yeah Kyrie would work.

Even more so if SVG was a competent enough coach to handle a player like Kyrie, but he struggle with Howard, and can't gather enough growth out of the fringe players we currently have so again a big fat NO to ponying up and trade for Kyrie. We want a team not a one man show.
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"Should Detroit Pistons Pony Up for Kyrie Irving?" Surprising that there are no Piston fans with an opinion on this question

Post  cool breeze on Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:05 pm

It appears that Piston fans are thinking more about the Lions these days but a huge decision awaits as Cleveland tries to move their star guard Irving. This article suggests that Kennard has been added to the list of players Cleveland is asking for to make a deal with the Pistons work. Maybe the writer is guessing or perhaps he had some inside information.

Cleveland management is asking for too much. It would be great to have Irving. Detroit would have the best back court in the Eastern Conference which is something the team hasn't had since they were contenders for the championship with Billups and Hamilton. Before that the Pistons built a team around Zeke and Dumars. Since those championship teams ran on the hardwood at the Palace, Piston management went in another direction that didn't work. It was surprising for me to watch Dumars after he broke up a great team by trading Billups. We have had years of losing and dysfunctional basketball because we just didn't have any top tier guard. Detroit drafted centers and tried to form a contending team with the center position being the position to build a team around. The Pistons never drafted high enough and seldom does a team win much in the NBA without having the best guards. Now Detroit has a chance to make that happen and Dumars forgot that no team gets far without the top tier guards in the NBA. Irving and Bradley combination could be deadly. However, in this era of basketball, too many stars have zero loyalty to a team. Players want to live where they train it seems which is on the West coast. The other destination that seems appealing in Florida. Perhaps Florida is not only a good destination because of the weather and night life but also the fact that there is no State income tax. The Texas NBA teams also can sell players as a destination because they also do not have a state income tax. And how many current Piston players live and train in California in the summer months? Notice the article on Stanley Johnson about a month ago where he decided to return to Northern California to train at a place where he had success in the past in becoming a better player in the off season. Jackson also is coming and going there along with many sports stars in other sports.

My gut tells me that Bradley is a great fit for the Pistons. He could be a special player that fans will remember after he retires. He is outstanding on defense and is at a higher level offensively than any guard Detroit has had in a long time. Bradley is a basketball player not a specialist. Management will do anything to keep him and Bradley might realize that Detroit is the right place for him. However, Irving is a different story. He has never expressed interest in the Pistons. He wants his own team. I would like to know what he means by that statement. Labron is a basketball player like Bradley meaning he excels at all facets of basketball even doing the screening for others and has defended at every position in playoff situations exceptionally well. Irving is an offensive specialist. He is not a good defender. Can Irving become a great two way player so he can truly be a guy who is the franchise player? He is smart and has fantastic desire to win and has been clutch for Cleveland many times.

I do not want to pass judgement on Irving but it appears that Cleveland management is exaggerating Irving's value. I believe that a fair trade between the Pistons and Cavaliers would be Irving-Thompson for Drummond-Jackson. No way should Detroit bite on a deal including both Piston players mentioned as well as draft picks unless it is a 2nd round pick and Johnson-Kennard. That would be 4 good young players who might become star players for one great offensive player and a big man who has a limited upside but has playoff experience, can rebound, play average defense, would play well in crunch time and can shoot free throws better than AD. I would for sure want Detroit to make a deal if we get Irving-Thompson for Jackson-Drummond and Cleveland should accept that deal unless they can get Phoenix to throw in the Kansas star they drafted this summer. The Suns already said no to that deal. Detroit should also nix any trade offer that includes Johnson, Kennard and first round draft picks. For the Pistons adding Thompson in the front court could be the player they need to form that strong defense that SVG has been talking about. I doubt it will ever happen with AD and Jackson unless both players change their mindset. And can Drummond play in crunch time this year? Can he get his free throw percentage up to 50%???? As the days tick off Cleveland will be getting in a weaker position if they can't find a trade partner and receive a windfall for a player who no longer wants to play with Labron. If Cleveland made that trade Jackson and Drummond could be successful with their pick and roll combination with Labron taking up all the attention by opposing defenses. They could have a dynamic team for one more season and then have the young Drummond and Jackson to build a team around. Meanwhile the Pistons would be one tough out for any Eastern conference team with Irving, Bradley, Thompson, Johnson, Harris, Kennard, Boban, and the rest of the current roster players. Johnson sets great screens. Thompson sets great screens. Irving and Bradley can score in many ways and both use screens well. We fans see an entirely different style of basketball. The Pistons would win big.

This summer has been much more exciting for Piston fans than the regular season was by far. Piston management has already made the roster much stronger. The idea that Detroit could have the best backcourt at least in the Eastern conference is very appealing to me. Yet if Reggie Jackson shares the basketball more and has his mojo at the end of games and using those long arms and quick feet on the defensive end to stop dribble penetration, the Pistons could be one of the best teams in the East without doing anything. Of course AD would have to make a huge change in his basketball personality and become a feared defender and rim protector. This is Avery Bradley's team now and he will have to get Jackson and Drummond to play the right way. And I think he will be a successful leader we have been waiting for for a long time.

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TOLERANCE

Post  WTF on Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:08 pm

You see this that bullshit I touched on in my previous post and I keep saying as long as we keep painting all these little pictures of division every time we don't agree, accept, or tolerate, **** like Charlottville happens, every time we place economic benefits over moral principle this is what happens.

I love my country but it is far from being perfect, problem this seems to be an acceptable reason correct our failures. I don't believe this country is this hateful but I do believe it is morally misinformed, distracted and detached from compassion that it can't or won't do what is right.

When is enough is enough? When does the well being of humanity out weighs everything else. We should always be looking for a win win situation.
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Boban article makes me question the basic common sense of Stan Van Gundy - Also it appears that Leuer will be counted on again

Post  cool breeze on Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:57 pm

One of my biggest complaints about SVG is his lack of recognition skills himself relating to making player changes quickly and waiting until the game is out of hand. We saw it last season with the starters where other teams would run up big leads in the first and 3rd quarters and SVG would not tamper with the starting lineup regardless of what was going on. There is no excuse for not reacting and using common sense to plug holes when opposing teams score at will. But it appears according to the article to the right that SVG will not make any knee jerk reactions if opposing teams score at will against Boban. He will be patient and even play Boban against small lineups. The NBA has extremely quick players. That is what usually separates the college guys from the pros. So the strategy will be for opposing teams to beat Boban in transition on missed Piston opportunities. Last season that is how opposing teams exploited Detroit when they beat Drummond in transition for easy layups in the paint. So what is new with this new strategy by SVG with Boban. It didn't work last season to ignore what was happening on the floor because it didn't fit well with the SVG game plan. It won't work this year either. That article was one of the dumbest stuff that I have ever read. What happens to team chemistry if the coach ignores what is going on in the actual game? Oh I forgot, SVG says he will create some special type of defense to protect the team from Boban's inability to defend. I am not so worried about Boban. I am more worried by this strategy being used again relating to AD. Now I know why it appeared that SVG had no idea what he was doing when he ignored game situations where his chosen players did not give the effort required to play the right way. How will the other players on the team who do make the effort required on defense like this strategy SVG plans to implement? The players who do bust their asses on defense don't like it when one of their teammates give up layups in the painted area because they were late getting back or out of position. It is not fun to play on a team like that. One would think that SVG never played a game of organized basketball if he would actually give that information to a reporter. It wouldn't sound that bad if some of us didn't have a memory of the coach and his lack of making players accountable last season. It is all part of the strategy for SVG as he maps up his game plan before the game and never adjusts the plan over the course of the actual game. This is not a perfect world SVG. You have to make adjustments quickly even if you have to disrupt your original strategy. So will SVG stand up when opposing teams drive into the unguarded painted area and get easy layups and build up a 18 point lead within 5 minutes of the opening tip again. Will he flop his arms and turn his back to the action on the court and yell at the players sitting on the bench again? I agree that Boban is very effective on offense in the painted area. It is good that he will get his chance to play more minutes. I hope he can hold his own on defense as well. But I believe that the coach needs to give the opportunity to the best players on any given night. If Moreland is more athletic and can defend well on certain nights with quicker opposing big men then he would be on the court, not Boban if Boban is giving up too many easy baskets. Who will play in crunch time for the Pistons at the center position? Andre is not a good defender especially in crunch time. He also cannot make free throws. Who will play the necessary hard nosed defense for the Pistons in crunch time? Baynes did it last season with average success. How will the team win if the center position is the weak link for the Piston defense in crunch time? Why didn't the reporter ask that question to our head coach?

Basketball is simple but some so called experts forget common sense and by committing to a strategy and sticking with it when it is not working is a cop out. The coaches who do this are lazy. The coaches who do not make adjustments quickly are not winning coaches. Brad Stevens is engaged in every game and notices everything and makes quick adjustments. I can't believe he would ever make the statements that SVG has recently made.

The other comment in this article was disturbing as well relating to how SVG plans to make it all work with Boban on the floor. Yes you guessed it, SVG signed two players in Boban and Leuer who were not in high demand and he decided to give them big bucks. So regardless of how things work out those two have to play in the games. SVG will have his blinders on again and ignore defects in players he has signed. He can't be wrong and he will prove it. Sorry Henry E. It looks like you will have another long season without any NBA game experience. I wonder if SVG knows how weak Leuer is as a defender of the paint. Did he not watch Leuer play that last game against Orlando? Is is counting on Piston fans to have a short memory? I wish Leuer all the luck in the world but to come into training camp counting on Leuer having a season like the first half of the season last year is weird. Leuer shot the ball better in the first half of the year for sure but he didn't defend any better in the first half did he? He was pushed around a lot in the paint. How can SVG forget that fact? Maybe I am not up to date though and perhaps Leuer will come back this season much stronger. Ellenson is not a good defender as well but he is bigger. Will the SVG rotation system be exactly the same next season after all his talk about making sure his young players get more experience?

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NBA2K18 ratings what do they mean? Who are the players who create these bogus ratings?

Post  cool breeze on Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:25 pm

What does an 85% rating mean to basketball fans who actually have watched a lot of NBA games? Ratings, polls, media analysis of anything scares me because a lot of people don't take the time to learn anything and base all of their opinions on this nonsense. Americans are manipulated enough and now we have NBA2K18 ratings. So AD must have had a pretty good season last year according this this latest rating system. The tip in by Whiteside directly over AD never happened. All those layups in the first and third quarters of all those blowouts couldn't have involved AD the All Star. Oh I forgot AD is a great rebounder so he couldn't get any lower than 85%. Ben Wallace was a real rebounder because he got the key rebounds. Rodman was a great rebounder because he got the key rebounds that meant something. What if Baynes got Drummond's minutes last season? What would his rebound total be? Baynes did a lot more than just stand in the paint. He boxed out and anticipated on defense. Drummond's defensive rating in reality would be in the range of 25%. His free throw shooting would be 1%. But the experts gave high marks to almost everyone who contracts with the approved agents by NBA2K18.

With all the recent positive hype on Andre Drummond lately, and SVG's comments where he is finally going to hold AD accountable and fully expects that AD will be fully engaged and provide the team what it needs on defense, I wonder how AD is handling this new pressure as training camp approaches. He has lost 20 pounds, had the nose surgery, is active playing basketball and admits he had a bad season so there should be no question that he should be motivated. But is he feeling a lot of pressure now wondering he is can grasp the defensive rotations this time around and possess quicker recognition skills on defense? Can AD suddenly become a great shot blocker in key situations or a shot blocker at all next season? Baynes is gone. Who knows how Boban and Moreland will pan out. Will Ellenson become our starting center if AD has a nervous breakdown? Seriously, you can't become a solid defender overnight. Drummond has never taken playing defense seriously. It is easy to talk like SVG is talking but if you are the player with glaring defects, it isn't easy to rid yourself of those defects after many years of slacking. Good luck AD. I will be pulling for you.

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Thanks DX

Post  WTF on Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:49 am

Thanks DX for the compliment on my post. It's just hard to wrap my mind around the thinking of these owners pandering to Fans Opinions on this whole issue. I assure you as a fan attending a game I don't always stand for the National Anthem it not out of protest most of time 'm just fu@king tired and don't feel like it.

Colin isn't protesting all of White America, he isn't accusing every Policeman of murdering unarmed Black men but how this is being treated one would think he is. Truth is he's protesting America as a whole and the challenge to correct things goes to all races, cultures and religions. It goes to lawmakers, media outlets, politicians, churches and any with a platform to speak on the ills of this world period.

DX a lot of folks live in a bubble so don't feel to bad about it. It's easy to be indifferent about a lot of stuff until it effects you personally or someone close to you. Sadly the world is setup to function in this matter all in the name of making a profit. The NBA wanted to turn a blind eye to the Clippers owners thing a few seasons back and if the could they would have done nothing but in fear of fan protest they were force to take action.

Players, and fans everywhere should be in support of Colin period Black, White, Brown, Green or Blue
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WTF BallinD!!!

Post  deusXango on Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:36 pm

BallinD wrote:
WTF wrote:There really should be a Mass Boycott of the NFL this season.  As big of a Lions Die Hard I am it going to be tough but I don't veiw the Fords like  do other owners maybe because I'm bias being a Lions Fan.  This Colin Kap thing is very eye opening of where we are on so many levels and horribly sad.  

NFL owners ought to be ashame of how this is playing out and should be extremely cautious of how this thing could turn real ugly real soon.  As should society on race issues as a whole should be extremely careful and I don't mean just Blacks folks and White folks I mean any folk that oppresses another race, culture, religion or whatever.  

They say its all about the money well greed is a sin, because its an evil that leads to other sins and various action of immoralities that plagues this entire world.   Evil is winning in this world and many are to caught up in self to see or notice that we are headed down a road of destruction a path in which no one wins and everyone loose.  

I'm not hear to debate race, religion or sexuality for that matter but liars, deniers, and pretenders comes in all shapes and colors but lets not act like racism isn't real.  Owners what are you going to do when all your Black Athletes turn into Colin?

I don't think the ownes are racist, I just think they're greedy and fear that signing Kap would hurt them financially which I doubt very seriously it would.  But public opinion got them all fucked up that they can't find to do what's morally right.  They are cowards

WTF, this is a great post and I have been angered at the treatment of Kaepernick, while so many Americans parrot the term freedom of speech...well it appears you are free to speak if you don't mind the consequences.  Potential brutality from the police, twisting your words from the Media, and ostracism and dismissal if you challenge the status quo (Colin Kaepernick).

For the NFL juggernaut there are three main issues, Kaepernick, Concussions, and Opiod addiction and refusal to acknowledge Medical Marijuana.

My ex wife is a nurse, has cancer and the doctors at the pain clinic test her for MM, while prescribing Percocet, Fentanyl, Morphine, Oxycotin, Flexeril, (a total of 22 pills daily) and so it goes down the road of opioid addiction.  I have seen her trembling from pain, spasmodic shaking and falling to the ground, crying, and having to drink copious amounts of wine just to be able to function when her prescription runs out before the end of the month.  

Often when she is having an "episode," the only thing that will help her pain is a "toke or two," and her pain and cancer doctors acknowledge to her it works, but say their hands are tied.  She will lose her nursing license if she tests positive, and is regularly whipsawed between pain, opioids and the fear to get the relief she needs.

I am and have been so mad about these issues and sad to see Deandre Levy leave the Lions and the league after speaking out on these issues (I know his injuries were responsible for his retirement), but sheesh!!!!
Damn Wise, you opened up the door for one of the most compassionate, and challenging subjects I've had the pleasure to read; pleasurable because it does my spirit good to realize I've been touched by the presence of some exceptional human beings. You really stunned me with this thought provoking post.

Speaking of exceptional human beings, you BallinD have gone to the top of my list. First let me say, "may God Bless, comfort, and meet the needs of your beautiful wife and continue to pour into you the strength to be the superior man who stands with her, and speaks to the weakened conscience of our society today." I'm both awed and touched by the broad minded weaving of your personal pain with the awful practices that stare us all in the face from day-to-day to the point of creating spiritual numbness; I've had to look at where I live, not so much as how I live...I live in a bubble of intolerance and indifference for the most part, and for that I'm ashamed of not demonstrating a greater level of gratitude. I've got to be more of an example and voice for what's right! Plain and simple. Talk about strength, character, and all true man, you got it Bro'.

God Bless you guys.
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Post  cool breeze on Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:28 pm

WTF wrote:
BallinD wrote:
WTF wrote:There really should be a Mass Boycott of the NFL this season.  As big of a Lions Die Hard I am it going to be tough but I don't veiw the Fords like  do other owners maybe because I'm bias being a Lions Fan.  This Colin Kap thing is very eye opening of where we are on so many levels and horribly sad.  

NFL owners ought to be ashame of how this is playing out and should be extremely cautious of how this thing could turn real ugly real soon.  As should society on race issues as a whole should be extremely careful and I don't mean just Blacks folks and White folks I mean any folk that oppresses another race, culture, religion or whatever.  

They say its all about the money well greed is a sin, because its an evil that leads to other sins and various action of immoralities that plagues this entire world.   Evil is winning in this world and many are to caught up in self to see or notice that we are headed down a road of destruction a path in which no one wins and everyone loose.  

I'm not hear to debate race, religion or sexuality for that matter but liars, deniers, and pretenders comes in all shapes and colors but lets not act like racism isn't real.  Owners what are you going to do when all your Black Athletes turn into Colin?

I don't think the ownes are racist, I just think they're greedy and fear that signing Kap would hurt them financially which I doubt very seriously it would.  But public opinion got them all fucked up that they can't find to do what's morally right.  They are cowards

WTF, this is a great post and I have been angered at the treatment of Kaepernick, while so many Americans parrot the term freedom of speech...well it appears you are free to speak if you don't mind the consequences.  Potential brutality from the police, twisting your words from the Media, and ostracism and dismissal if you challenge the status quo (Colin Kaepernick).

For the NFL juggernaut there are three main issues, Kaepernick, Concussions, and Opiod addiction and refusal to acknowledge Medical Marijuana.

My ex wife is a nurse, has cancer and the doctors at the pain clinic test her for MM, while prescribing Percocet, Fentanyl, Morphine, Oxycotin, Flexeril, (a total of 22 pills daily) and so it goes down the road of opioid addiction.  I have seen her trembling from pain, spasmodic shaking and falling to the ground, crying, and having to drink copious amounts of wine just to be able to function when her prescription runs out before the end of the month.  

Often when she is having an "episode," the only thing that will help her pain is a "toke or two," and her pain and cancer doctors acknowledge to her it works, but say their hands are tied.  She will lose her nursing license if she tests positive, and is regularly whipsawed between pain, opioids and the fear to get the relief she needs.

I am and have been so mad about these issues and sad to see Deandre Levy leave the Lions and the league after speaking out on these issues (I know his injuries were responsible for his retirement), but sheesh!!!!

First and foremost I'm extremely to sadden to hear about your wife and my prayers are fully with you and your family.  The level of hypocricies and the name of greed in this country is ridiculus.   The reason why they don't stand behind Medical Marijuana is there's more money to be made in cramming bullshit pills down our throats.   The The Big Evil in this is the do this knowingly it's killing us we we become more depended on it.  The other reason law makes can continue to line their pockets if it remains illegal  

The Deandre Levy issues is sad and its about the money as well (profit over doing the right thing) The Lions couldn't cut him while injured without compensating him so they declared him healthy in a bogus physical.   This loss of Ethics spreads across corporate
America and society as a whole is beyond any reasonable explanation but it's become the norm.  

BallinD things get ugly at times and this is one of those situations we all face. Standing tall beside your ex wife shows true character. I consider any nurse a true hero. My wife is a nurse and I cannot believe how she copes with those 10 hour shifts the way hospitals are run these days. Keep on fighting for her and if things don't appear to make sense then make your voice heard if her medications are not working or she doesn't have the proper supply.

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Whatever Happen To Doing The Right Thing

Post  WTF on Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:04 pm

BallinD wrote:
WTF wrote:There really should be a Mass Boycott of the NFL this season.  As big of a Lions Die Hard I am it going to be tough but I don't veiw the Fords like  do other owners maybe because I'm bias being a Lions Fan.  This Colin Kap thing is very eye opening of where we are on so many levels and horribly sad.  

NFL owners ought to be ashame of how this is playing out and should be extremely cautious of how this thing could turn real ugly real soon.  As should society on race issues as a whole should be extremely careful and I don't mean just Blacks folks and White folks I mean any folk that oppresses another race, culture, religion or whatever.  

They say its all about the money well greed is a sin, because its an evil that leads to other sins and various action of immoralities that plagues this entire world.   Evil is winning in this world and many are to caught up in self to see or notice that we are headed down a road of destruction a path in which no one wins and everyone loose.  

I'm not hear to debate race, religion or sexuality for that matter but liars, deniers, and pretenders comes in all shapes and colors but lets not act like racism isn't real.  Owners what are you going to do when all your Black Athletes turn into Colin?

I don't think the ownes are racist, I just think they're greedy and fear that signing Kap would hurt them financially which I doubt very seriously it would.  But public opinion got them all fucked up that they can't find to do what's morally right.  They are cowards

WTF, this is a great post and I have been angered at the treatment of Kaepernick, while so many Americans parrot the term freedom of speech...well it appears you are free to speak if you don't mind the consequences.  Potential brutality from the police, twisting your words from the Media, and ostracism and dismissal if you challenge the status quo (Colin Kaepernick).

For the NFL juggernaut there are three main issues, Kaepernick, Concussions, and Opiod addiction and refusal to acknowledge Medical Marijuana.

My ex wife is a nurse, has cancer and the doctors at the pain clinic test her for MM, while prescribing Percocet, Fentanyl, Morphine, Oxycotin, Flexeril, (a total of 22 pills daily) and so it goes down the road of opioid addiction.  I have seen her trembling from pain, spasmodic shaking and falling to the ground, crying, and having to drink copious amounts of wine just to be able to function when her prescription runs out before the end of the month.  

Often when she is having an "episode," the only thing that will help her pain is a "toke or two," and her pain and cancer doctors acknowledge to her it works, but say their hands are tied.  She will lose her nursing license if she tests positive, and is regularly whipsawed between pain, opioids and the fear to get the relief she needs.

I am and have been so mad about these issues and sad to see Deandre Levy leave the Lions and the league after speaking out on these issues (I know his injuries were responsible for his retirement), but sheesh!!!!

First and foremost I'm extremely to sadden to hear about your wife and my prayers are fully with you and your family.  The level of hypocricies and the name of greed in this country is ridiculus.   The reason why they don't stand behind Medical Marijuana is there's more money to be made in cramming bullshit pills down our throats.   The The Big Evil in this is the do this knowingly it's killing us we we become more depended on it.  The other reason law makes can continue to line their pockets if it remains illegal  

The Deandre Levy issues is sad and its about the money as well (profit over doing the right thing) The Lions couldn't cut him while injured without compensating him so they declared him healthy in a bogus physical.   This loss of Ethics spreads across corporate
America and society as a whole is beyond any reasonable explanation but it's become the norm.
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Post  BallinD on Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:09 pm

WTF wrote:There really should be a Mass Boycott of the NFL this season.  As big of a Lions Die Hard I am it going to be tough but I don't veiw the Fords like  do other owners maybe because I'm bias being a Lions Fan.  This Colin Kap thing is very eye opening of where we are on so many levels and horribly sad.  

NFL owners ought to be ashame of how this is playing out and should be extremely cautious of how this thing could turn real ugly real soon.  As should society on race issues as a whole should be extremely careful and I don't mean just Blacks folks and White folks I mean any folk that oppresses another race, culture, religion or whatever.  

They say its all about the money well greed is a sin, because its an evil that leads to other sins and various action of immoralities that plagues this entire world.   Evil is winning in this world and many are to caught up in self to see or notice that we are headed down a road of destruction a path in which no one wins and everyone loose.  

I'm not hear to debate race, religion or sexuality for that matter but liars, deniers, and pretenders comes in all shapes and colors but lets not act like racism isn't real.  Owners what are you going to do when all your Black Athletes turn into Colin?

I don't think the ownes are racist, I just think they're greedy and fear that signing Kap would hurt them financially which I doubt very seriously it would.  But public opinion got them all fucked up that they can't find to do what's morally right.  They are cowards

WTF, this is a great post and I have been angered at the treatment of Kaepernick, while so many Americans parrot the term freedom of speech...well it appears you are free to speak if you don't mind the consequences.  Potential brutality from the police, twisting your words from the Media, and ostracism and dismissal if you challenge the status quo (Colin Kaepernick).

For the NFL juggernaut there are three main issues, Kaepernick, Concussions, and Opiod addiction and refusal to acknowledge Medical Marijuana.

My ex wife is a nurse, has cancer and the doctors at the pain clinic test her for MM, while prescribing Percocet, Fentanyl, Morphine, Oxycotin, Flexeril, (a total of 22 pills daily) and so it goes down the road of opioid addiction.  I have seen her trembling from pain, spasmodic shaking and falling to the ground, crying, and having to drink copious amounts of wine just to be able to function when her prescription runs out before the end of the month.  

Often when she is having an "episode," the only thing that will help her pain is a "toke or two," and her pain and cancer doctors acknowledge to her it works, but say their hands are tied.  She will lose her nursing license if she tests positive, and is regularly whipsawed between pain, opioids and the fear to get the relief she needs.

I am and have been so mad about these issues and sad to see Deandre Levy leave the Lions and the league after speaking out on these issues (I know his injuries were responsible for his retirement), but sheesh!!!!
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Post  WTF on Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:03 pm

There really should be a Mass Boycott of the NFL this season.  As big of a Lions Die Hard I am it going to be tough but I don't veiw the Fords like  do other owners maybe because I'm bias being a Lions Fan.  This Colin Kap thing is very eye opening of where we are on so many levels and horribly sad.  

NFL owners ought to be ashame of how this is playing out and should be extremely cautious of how this thing could turn real ugly real soon.  As should society on race issues as a whole should be extremely careful and I don't mean just Blacks folks and White folks I mean any folk that oppresses another race, culture, religion or whatever.  

They say its all about the money well greed is a sin, because its an evil that leads to other sins and various action of immoralities that plagues this entire world.   Evil is winning in this world and many are to caught up in self to see or notice that we are headed down a road of destruction a path in which no one wins and everyone loose.  

I'm not hear to debate race, religion or sexuality for that matter but liars, deniers, and pretenders comes in all shapes and colors but lets not act like racism isn't real.  Owners what are you going to do when all your Black Athletes turn into Colin?

I don't think the ownes are racist, I just think they're greedy and fear that signing Kap would hurt them financially which I doubt very seriously it would.  But public opinion got them all fucked up that they can't find to do what's morally right.  They are cowards
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Article premature relating to Avery Bradley leaving after one season - who will start at power forward?

Post  cool breeze on Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:14 pm

Avery Bradley will give the Pistons a real spark this season. If the team chemistry is good meaning that his teammates play with passion with no slacking and AD, SJ, TH play top tier type defense with bench players stepping up too, why would Bradley leave Detroit if he is offered a really good contract? The Lakers will have their hands full signing the superstars they are targeting. Who wants to play for the Clippers as they move downward in the standings? If Piston fans bond with Bradley and show how great it can be to play for the Pistons and everything else falls in line don't count Bradley out as a long term star player for the Detroit Pistons.

Now for who will start at power forward. It is anticipated that Harris will be the starter and most likely that is how it will be when the regular season begins. Out of the other prospects, I am wondering if Tolliver will somehow beat out both Leuer and Ellenson. Ellenson did not show that he is a solid defender from his summer league play at least in my opinion. But he might be a better choice than Leuer if both players are treated equally by the head coach. Unless Leuer has somehow spent hundreds of hours in the weight room to improve his upper body strength over the summer, he will still be a liability on the defensive end. Ellenson is bigger and is a better outside shooter so he should win that battle unless SVG wants to showcase Leuer and trade him before the trade deadline. Meanwhile, the old vet Tolliver is primed to steal playing time from both Leuer and Ellenson. I believe SVG made a brilliant move signing him. If nothing else, Tolliver provides insurance that he will have a solid trustworthy hard nosed player available for every game. We have all seen Tolliver get hot from the 3 point line. He knows the defensive rotations and executes without hesitation in those rotations. All last season I read tweets from Tolliver while he was playing on another team far away from Detroit. Tolliver will not allow the team chemistry to get as low as it was last season regardless of the amount of minutes he logs. I am starting to feel that this year their might be something special in store for all Piston fans. The quantity of forum contributors might explode again as everyone jumps on the bandwagon. A lot hinges on how much effort AD is willing to give on defense. But I am loving what SVG has been saying lately.

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Looking for greener pastures makes Labron look like a trader in the eyes of Cleveland fans

Post  cool breeze on Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:20 pm

As we all know, Ohio is Labron's home state. His team loses in the finals and instead of keeping his plans private, he let Cleveland fans know that it was never about them. It was always about Labron James and his legacy. The cool thing is that Zeke was always loyal to his team and his Michigan fans. Remember when Grant Hill split for Orlando? Grant ended up playing for several teams. Do any of the fans on any of those NBA teams have any feelings for him? I think not. He has to turn to Duke to find any true blue fans who love him for what he brought to his college team. We Piston fans don't care. He was a traitor. Detroit wan't good enough for him. Cleveland isn't good enough for Labron. Would James like to bolt this coming season to a West coast team if he could? Regardless of what is in his heart, Labron would have been better served if he had kept quiet and at least let people believe that he had no interest in moving on. When Labron let everyone know his future plans that didn't include Cleveland suddenly Love, Irving, Thompson etc all believe that James thinks they do not measure up to his greatness. What will the team chemistry be like next season for the Eastern Conference champions? At some point in time all the free agency hype with mega stars getting a lot of attention and moving on to what they think will be a sure thing to make the finals again, will backfire. Will Cleveland fans give Labron a hard time next season? I would think they would so Labron might not have a fun season this time around. Who knows?

Irving wants his own team. No modesty for that man. Maybe is could be a good leader. If he came to the Pistons would he want to stay long term to build a championship caliber team? I always pull for the team that plays against whatever team Labron is playing for at the time. Cleveland, Miami or the Lakers, it makes no difference to me. The refs give Labron all the breaks. He seldom is called for a foul and and can bulldoze right through the opposition lowering that huge shoulder and not only score after knocking down his defender but also get to the foul line. So who doesn't pull for Labron James to lose if he is not on your local team?

I am happy Labron doesn't want to come to the Detroit Pistons for a year. I like him as a villain. Bradley and Irving could be one of the best backcourts in the NBA. We haven't had that type of thing for a long time. Guards are the key to winning in the NBA not centers. We get Thompson who can defend, block shots and set great screens. Other free agents might want to join the Pistons with that kind of back court too. How much would the Pistons be willing to part with? Jackson and Drummond would be tempting for sure. I wouldn't hesitate for a minute. Cleveland would be getting a young promising center that could be an All Star player again. But to add Johnson or even a 1st round pick might not be something the Pistons should go for. Cleveland has the pressure on them not other teams like the Suns or the Pistons. If Cleveland reduces their demands and Detroit can make a good deal, next season could be really fun. Irving, Bradley, and Thompson have playoff experience. If Johnson is included in the trade, Harris starts at small forward. Who will play power forward? It seems the Pistons will be 2 to 3 players short again unless Ellenson, Leuer, Kennard, Boban, Moreland, Smith, and Bullock have outstanding seasons. Doing that deal does ensure that we have three solid starters and fewer question marks with Jackson and Drummond. However, it would be a stretch to believe that Cleveland would accept both contracts relating to AD and RJ.

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Good comments coming from Stan Van Gundy on focusing on strengths is the way Andre can improve

Post  cool breeze on Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:42 pm

AD seems to have made a commitment to changing from a slacker type player he was last season after the Christmas holidays. SVG made some spot on comments on how Andre can both help himself and his team by concentrating on becoming a top tier defender and getting his touches on offense in the painted area. SVG also pointed out that AD has made more of a commitment to getting in better physical conditioning and as a result has lost around 20 pounds.

When will AD make a public statement that he will dedicate himself to becoming a solid top tier rim protector and shot blocker? SVG has said his piece about what he wants from our starting center. Will AD listen and get focused on the defensive end? If so our Piston team could be a tough out for any team in the league. From past experience, the telling thing about how committed AD really is to his team will be how he plays from December through April this time around on the defensive end. Will he get better as the season progresses or become a slacker again? At least we have a few positive signs especially the weight loss. Losing that amount of weight is not an easy thing to do. AD might also become more inspired and team orientated because of the make up of this roster. Looking at all the other teams in the Eastern conference, it just could be that the Pistons might be the surprise team this season depending on how Drummond plays and how well the coaching staff performs. If the coaching staff goes brain dead and ignore obvious game experiences and refuse to make adjustments based on performance, the team will be better off without them. I say that because I think the team would have been better off without the coaching staff in the last half of last season. The water boy could have done a better job.

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Watch ESPN series E:60 regarding story on Darko #2 overall draft pick by Joe Dumars and where he is today

Post  cool breeze on Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:58 pm

Good stuff in this documentary with several short interviews with Larry Brown and Mr. BigShot. Darko rips his game jersey in half not just once but several times in his 10 year NBA career. Darko seems to have a pretty cool life now in Serbia on the apple farm. He made $52 mil in the NBA and by the looks of things he was able to hang on to some of the money. Joe Dumars refused an interview request. Billups appeared to still be puzzled as to why C. Anthony was not selected by Joe. Prince was quoted previously that the Pistons would have won two to three more championships if the team had drafted Carmelo who really always wanted to play on that Piston team. What the documentary did not mention was the fact that Darko was a 3 pack to 4 pack a day smoker at the time Dumars drafted him.

Sound similar to what previous cabinet members or members of congress might have done when they failed to do background investigations on IT staffers. " Did you read any Top Secret, Secret, confidential e-mails on the servers you worked with? "Yes I read all of them". Did you have a security clearance? "No". Allowing people off the street access to classified documents would get a military person a stiff prison sentence. But of course elected officials are so important that they are immune rules of law. Joe Dumars has received a lot of heat regarding the Darko pick. Washington elites are immune to such things. Maybe if they are forced to go on the Obama Health Care Server to get their health insurance the Good Old Boys Club that includes both corrupt political parties will suddenly pass a new health care bill that doesn't punish the young middle class families who do not get subsidies and are forced to subsidize others. The couple with two or more kids who have done everything right in life, have large student loans or worked for next to nothing in apprentice type jobs to become a plumber or electrician, now are rewarded with high health care premiums and big deductibles. Meanwhile the drug companies who contribute billions to members of Congress are riding high with that deal they got when Obama Care went into effect that nobody wants to talk about. The pills are flowing at high rates and at a high prices. In comparison to members of Congress, Joe Dumars was a genius.

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Post  Sparma on Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:53 pm

Our former coach has made a big comeback (below), stepping around or over Doc Rivers.  My guess is that Jerry West played a big consulting role in bringing about Balmer's change of view.  Now we're down to three coaches/ GM in the NBA: SVG, Popovich, and Thibodeau.  I'd thought that the dual role could work well, but SVG hasn't made a strong case for the duality.   There's been success in soccer (Wenger at Arsenal), but even there it's become super controversial (with an aging Wenger).

Quoted at CBS:

"I've owned the team for three years now, and I really better understand what an owner's responsibility is -- and it turns out that running a franchise and coaching are two enormous and different jobs," Ballmer told ESPN on Friday. "The notion that one person can fairly focus on them and give them all the attention they need isn't the case. To be as good as we can be, to be a championship franchise, we need two functioning strong people building teams out beneath them. There needs to be a healthy discussion and debate with two strong, independent minded people.

"There are different relationships that a player needs to have with the coach and the front office," Ballmer said. "Doc put Lawrence in charge of the non-coaching aspects of the front office last year, and he's done a fantastic job. I want each of them to dig in and do what they do best. Lawrence has come on so strong in that role, and that has helped us go down this path."
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Post  cool breeze on Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:08 pm

deusXango wrote:The one thing I hadn't considered was how dedicated the P & R duo is to the Pistons and how much they love playing for and being a part of the Detroit culture...IMHO Andre cares, but Reggie could give less than a damn. This pair needs to be broken up. Drummond is a Piston, Reggie is a mercenary.

Since last seasons end, the constant railing against Drummond's deficiencies, by Don, have more or less made me overlook what we have going for us in this gifted young man...gifted and talented, albeit, uninspired and undeveloped. You don't hand out maximum contracts to raw talent and not have any plans in place to mold that talent...if a masterful game doesn't jump out of his pay envelope, trade his ass. When it comes to that line of thinking, one is more in tune with Reggie's attitude toward Detroit's best interest...they could give less than a damn. Drummond isn't lazy, just uninspired; he's not hard-headed, just mislead and undeveloped. Trade Jackson, work with Drummond!

Any guard with a halfway decent I.Q. can run the P & R with an athlete the caliber of Drummond (Will Bynum proved that!) and we've got an abundance of high I.Q., healthy guards, who can be more efficient/effective than Jackson, if given half a chance. Trade Jackson, allow Drummond to grow. IMHO room must be made to play Galloway and Kennard decent minutes so we can see where we stand by seasons end, when it matters, and make fools out of the naysayers who predict we're not a +.500 ball club! (Of course I may be the fool should the Pistons win less than last year as predicted.) Shocked

PF is the weakest/shakiest link in our rotation, like it or not, and that's all SVG/Bower need to address before training camp, instead of procrastinating until the trade deadline, who some favor doing business there. PF is viewed as the least important position on the floor, but championship history has proven different. What we could use to compliment our starting lineup is an All-Star caliber PF...the one who's flying under the radar now is LaMarcus Aldridge, and that famed 3-4 team trade could possibly land Aldridge here and Jackson elsewhere. I'm not going to say who could be included in the trade to make the salaries work, but their initials are Jon Leuer...couldn't resist it.lol

Just what makes you think that Drummond is a great pick and roll player dX. Drummond only has the dunk shot. That worked two seasons ago because opposing teams didn't set their defense to stop it. Last season they did. How about Anthony Davis and his skill set? The Pelicans center their defense around Davis rightfully so because he has a great skill set that can counter any defense opposing teams want to throw at his team. Do you actually believe that Drummond is in the same league as Davis? Do you believe that Drummond has a high basketball IQ like Davis who won the NCAA championship way back when. Did he need time to develop? This is a pipe dream in my opinion. Drummond has perhaps the worst defensive skill set of any starting center in the league. He has the worst defect which is extremely slow recognition ability. Everything in the NBA is executed at a really high pace way faster than college ball. When SVG says Drummond needs to be more engaged maybe that is not true. Andre is just a slow thinker on the basketball court. That doesn't mean he is not a smart man off the court. I have coached slow thinking basketball players and it is extremely tough to get them up to speed in the much slower high school game. Oracle has previously indicated that even in the NBA certain coaches can make a difference. But I disagree regarding how fast you can ever get an NBA player to speed up their mind in this current NBA game. But excluding Andre's weak defensive skill set, if you think that it only takes more time for Andre to be a superstar playing the P & R you are asking for a miracle. While we had to watch this type of offense all last season which turned out to be one of the most boring offenses in the NBA that I have ever seen, I do not want to see it repeated. What I would like to see is other players featured within the half court set. We need smart basketball players who can execute in a variety of ways much like Ish Smith said when he was talking about the rookie Kennard. Kennard is a clever guy with or without the basketball. This team now has Bradley who also has a wide variety of ways to score. I want to see more screening, cutting, passing and using both sides of the court. I do not want to see the point guard go into traffic and try to get Andre a dunk. This is old strategy that didn't work against any quality team and never will work unless you have an Anthony Davis type of player instead of Andre Drummond.

While Reggie has his faults, we all can remember how hard he played at the end of games two years ago and it was clear that he gave everything he had. On the other hand I can never forgive Andre for his failure of giving an honest effort to play defense in the first and third quarter of almost every game after the Christmas holidays. He was the guy who allowed layups in the paint way too much. One could see that he wasn't engaged. If you know that you have slow recognition skills as your basic weakness on defense and you make $20M plus and have good teammates, who do you know that you respect that would not try to make up for that weakness by using every bit of energy you have to make up for the weakness? Who would not run the court as hard as you could if you do care at all? No I think Andre was disappointed that Reggie couldn't deliver the basketball to him last season so he never tried to play as hard as he could play. We saw a play now and then on defense when Andre looked like a super star. He was quick and agile and recovered at times when he was out smarted. So I know he could have played must better but decided that he didn't give a crap. No coach can work with that type of player if rules are not enforced. The coach never enforced the rules and placed AD on the bench where he belonged. Maybe he wanted to and the owner said don't you dare. I think AD will always be known as a player who will do exactly what he wants to do. He will ignore any game plan on offense unless he is the featured player in the offense and has never shown any ability to be coached on the defensive end. He still doesn't have the defensive rotation system down. He goes through the motions as slackers always do.

What a shame but the world is full of slackers so if the offense is created to show off AD again, you will see much the same thing happening as we saw last season.AD expects to be the featured player too. So how do you deal with that if you are the coach who has the owner on his back because of his relationship with AD? If this is the situation why would anyone not expect a repeat of the dysfunction we saw last year? Andre has been working on his post up game. Won't that be fun to watch. The sad part of it will be that we won't get to see players who actually do care about playing the right way who do have real talent.

My problem with the Irving trade idea would not be seeing Drummond go if we got Thompson. He plays defense and rebounds in important key situations. I don't want to lose Johnson or a number on pick or Avery Bradley. The only way things can work with Drummond is if he accepts his role on the team as a shot blocker, rim protector and offensive rebounder. But Andre has his own ideas. Play Moreland and the team will look better. We do not need Andre Drummond. Management needs to lose his contract.

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Post  deusXango on Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:34 am

The one thing I hadn't considered was how dedicated the P & R duo is to the Pistons and how much they love playing for and being a part of the Detroit culture...IMHO Andre cares, but Reggie could give less than a damn. This pair needs to be broken up. Drummond is a Piston, Reggie is a mercenary.

Since last seasons end, the constant railing against Drummond's deficiencies, by Don, have more or less made me overlook what we have going for us in this gifted young man...gifted and talented, albeit, uninspired and undeveloped. You don't hand out maximum contracts to raw talent and not have any plans in place to mold that talent...if a masterful game doesn't jump out of his pay envelope, trade his ass. When it comes to that line of thinking, one is more in tune with Reggie's attitude toward Detroit's best interest...they could give less than a damn. Drummond isn't lazy, just uninspired; he's not hard-headed, just mislead and undeveloped. Trade Jackson, work with Drummond!

Any guard with a halfway decent I.Q. can run the P & R with an athlete the caliber of Drummond (Will Bynum proved that!) and we've got an abundance of high I.Q., healthy guards, who can be more efficient/effective than Jackson, if given half a chance. Trade Jackson, allow Drummond to grow. IMHO room must be made to play Galloway and Kennard decent minutes so we can see where we stand by seasons end, when it matters, and make fools out of the naysayers who predict we're not a +.500 ball club! (Of course I may be the fool should the Pistons win less than last year as predicted.) Shocked

PF is the weakest/shakiest link in our rotation, like it or not, and that's all SVG/Bower need to address before training camp, instead of procrastinating until the trade deadline, who some favor doing business there. PF is viewed as the least important position on the floor, but championship history has proven different. What we could use to compliment our starting lineup is an All-Star caliber PF...the one who's flying under the radar now is LaMarcus Aldridge, and that famed 3-4 team trade could possibly land Aldridge here and Jackson elsewhere. I'm not going to say who could be included in the trade to make the salaries work, but their initials are Jon Leuer...couldn't resist it.lol
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Does anyone predict a trade coming before training camp involving Drummond and Jackson to secure a top tier point guard?

Post  cool breeze on Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:47 pm

If we look at the roster it doesn't seem likely that a trade is brewing. From watching Jackson last season if I were a betting man the odds that Reggie would return to his form two seasons ago would be extremely low. I keep saying that I never saw Reggie limp as if his problem even involved his knee. In every game he played last season it appeared that he was always out of gas within two minutes on the court. He couldn't get enough oxygen. He had a look of physical distress. He was not comfortable and was laboring at all times. He had no spark obviously because he had a major physical cardio issue. Asthma possibly?? Reggie is taking a lot of flack but there is no doubt in my mind that Jackson has heart and is not a slacker like Andre Drummond. All the trade rumors that were floating around showed me that Piston management did try to move both Drummond and Jackson but if any real offers were made, it showed the trade value of both Piston players is extremely low so why not take a chance that both players will bounce back? Possibly AD alone might not have even gotten the Pistons a high number one pick next summer. And every GM knows that Jackson is a huge gamble.

SVG must have confidence in the rest of the roster that he has put together. Will we see Galloway starting at point guard before the season is over? This guy can defend and he is a smart low turnover type player. Maybe he might give the team that pass first point guard that they need to be successful.

One thought scares be a lot. Will SVG force the pick and roll game with Reggie and Andre down the fans throat again just to bring up the trade value of both Jackson and Drummond before the trade deadline? Maybe that is not such a bad strategy if Reggie can play ball and Andre is motivated at least on the offensive end. We know he will never be motivated to play defense. It is just not in his nature. Also, we must consider that the roster will be much different this time around. Could Bradley really impact this team by the way he plays basketball? The Pistons have not had a player like Bradley since the days when the Pistons were among the league leaders. He has a big motor. He communicates exceptionally well too. Could Avery actually be the one person who jump starts Andre Drummond's spirit and forces him to play the right way? If Drummond could free his brain from nonsense and embrace playing the way Bradley plays, he could dominate the game on defense. We have all waited a long time to see that spark in AD. It hasn't happened yet but perhaps SVG made the right call to give the new roster a chance to become something special.

By the way, I like Ish Smith's interview about his take on Kennard and Galloway. I am not sure how many Piston players are at the practice facility working out with each other and possibly already playing 5 on 5. Hopefully SVG will pay attention to detail and actually be able to put contracts aside and watch to see which players connect with each other the best. If it is Moreland instead of Drummond who gets to the right spots on defense when Avery is on the floor, I am sure Bradley will call the coach out if he doesn't do the right thing. What still bothers me a lot is the actual basketball IQ of the entire coaching staff. No changes were made from last season that I know of. The coaches had no positive impact on the players that showed up on the court during games last season. The coaches sat watching without showing much emotion when players were slacking off in the last 15 games. I have rarely seen that in my life by any coaching staff at any level. The coaches were not engaged much like Drummond. They watched. SVG only flopped his arms a lot. No changes were made. In the last game of the season, Leuer got his ass handed to him much like the Jason Maxiell experience during the playoff series against Cleveland years ago. They went right at Maxiell time after time. He had no place to hide. He had horrible luck in that series too and the coaching staff just watched and made no adjustments. Leuer could not defend anyone in that Orlando game. They took it to him almost every time they got into a half court set. I'll bet Leuer has hit the weight room a lot since that game. Hopefully he will be a lot stronger this time around. SVG does play his high contract players regardless of what is actually happening on the hardwood. So we better pull for Leuer to have a better season. But is it laughable to recall SVG's comments about Ellenson. Ellenson is bigger and stronger and faster than Leuer. Ellenson needs a lot of coaching to improve his defense but his motor is great. Last season Leuer couldn't defend one starting power forward. When he played next to Drummond that was ugly to watch. Ellenson might have helped. He gets out of position at times but recovers quickly. To me, if Harris doesn't play power forward, the job should be Ellenson's to lose.

SVG is not a popular guy these days. Fans trusted him until his performance last year. He must know everyone is critical of him now. Will that cause him to do the right thing this season? Maybe he will show the world that he can actually make adjustments and see what opposing coaches are doing strategy wise. If opposing teams go right at Drummond again, will he still sit and watch as if nothing is wrong? I think not. He knows the score now. So why not be optimistic at least at least until we see what happens?

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Post  BallinD on Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:01 pm



Now if SVG can only stay out of his way.

Per Ish Smith:  Luke, shoot, I’m not a Duke fan” – Smith played at ACC rival Wake Forest – “but I’m excited about Luke. He reminds me of – I don’t want to say this, because Chris Mullin is a Hall of Famer – but he reminds me a little of Chris Mullin and how he plays, his niftiness.”

“The game has changed,” he said. “It’s still a point guard-heavy league, but when you’ve got so many guys who can create, that’s how the game is. It’s read and react. Look at Golden State. They’ve got four or five guys. Reason why Cleveland didn’t beat ’em is Cleveland’s got two guys in LeBron (James) and Kyrie (Irving).

“Langston and Avery, absolutely, they do that for us. Then you add Luke in there. hehe

No mention of Weggie's ability to read and react, though under ideal circumstances circa 2015...he can do it...could do it...used to could do it?!?!


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Post  Sparma on Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:04 am

Thanks for that clarification, Deus. I'm not hearing you disagree with any of the seven statements I ventured. Consequently, I take it that you agree that SVG does not value Leuer over Harris or that he has cut into Harris's minutes or scoring productivity. As I understand it, your complaint has to do with the optimal combinations. On that count, given how last season unfolded, I'm hardly able to defend SVG as having found the optimal ways to go. Harris did start again at the end of season, didn't he, with little or no impact? Not having watched, I'm not sure who was in the games down the stretch, but wasn't it generally Harris rather than Leuer?

deusXango wrote:Sparma, I'm a big fan of Tobias Harris, and think he's been one of the top THREE players on the Pistons since he's been in Detroit; my bias is based on that and nothing more. Jon Leuer and Marcus Morris had been career backups and were paid like backups, but Morris was playing very well alongside Harris, as the PF, before the change because of scoring concerns; the teams scoring went down after Harris was demoted to bench play, but his scoring average didn't decline and it wasn't due to ball-hogging. I don't understand how minutes played factors into who starts and who comes off the bench when it's really a question of fit, chemistry, and production. Which was the better starting duo of forwards, Morris/Leuer or Morris/Harris? IMHO therein lies the root cause of controversy. Facts vs. slick double-talk. My eye test and the opinion of HOF ex-Pistons great, Isiah Lord Thomas lll, is not what I use to make a case against Leuer, but build a case for Harris. You don't bench a player the quality of Harris and make the team better. Leuer is not a defensive stalwart either. The bottom line is, I have little faith in a coach who makes decisions regarding his players that leads to unnecessary controversy.

What stunned me was a comparison made on another basketball site between the Spurs (NBA Champions) Manu Ginobili and the Pistons (Lottery team) Tobias Harris.....Stan Van Gundy ain't no Greg Popovich and that's the rub with team evaluation, and player deployment.
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Post  deusXango on Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:53 am

Thanks Murph, for an exceptionally honest and insightful counter, I'm sold on all points. There's nothing to argue, unless it's for the sake of arguing to be contrary. Mad props and respect.

I'd like to see a dependable, high I.Q., pass first, PG come on board and remove that "IF" from the most important position in the starting lineup; this is more important than returning to any pick and roll of two years ago, but maximizing the talents of Drummond, Bradley, Harris, Johnson, Kennard, Ellenson, Galloway, and Bullock....if we can get those guys going, the rest will fall into place quite nicely, IMHO.

Denial, denial, denial, SVG is so deeply blinded by his denial that his coaching tactics could possibly be negatively affecting the teams progress and overall performance, that the only cure will be to fire him, because he won't replace himself as coach. For that reason, it was a bad decision by Tom Gores to turn his "new toy" totally over to Stan Van Gundy. I'd hope that Mr. Gores learns from his mistakes with SVG, Drummond, and Jackson, because he's demonstrated a willingness to spend money on the home team and, IMO, can be a great owner with the proper President, GM, coach, and team leader(s).

Instead of dreaming of Kyrie Irving, what, if anything, can/could we do to obtain Blake Griffin, Kristaps Porzingis, or Kevin Love? "The hell you say?" I say this is the NBA and stranger things have happened. I'm not drunk on these overpriced, limited skilled, players signed by SVG taking us to the almost promised land...the playoffs shouldn't be the end of our rainbow!
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Post  Murph on Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:05 am

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Murph wrote:If Eric Moreland can start at PF, after playing 11 games in the NBA then great.  If Henry Ellenson can start at PF, after playing 19 games in the NBA then great.  If Stanley Johnson can start at SF after shooting 37% from the floor in the NBA the last 2 seasons then great.  But until I see it with my own eyes, I am skeptical.

And I'm guessing Ricky Rubio's career 38% FG percentage would get old in the D pretty fast.
Murph, you have every reason to be skeptical because I am skeptical that SVG can coach the talent that he's just assembled. Ricky Rubio is easily the smartest, most selfless passer, and defender of the two PG's being discussed and his FG percentage wouldn't look as bad once he started to get the entire team involved in the offense. Tell me, do you feel Reggie is a better prospect at PG than Ricky? I think it would be great if Reggie passed the ball to Harris, Bradley, or any other 3 point shooters on the floor with him early in the shot clock, but I'm skeptical he will.

Tell me Murph, do you feel that Jon Leuer is the best option for the Pistons starting PF? I know SVG sees Leuer as a starter, but many fans and media members don't; enlighten me with a reasonable argument for Leuer starting over players like Ellenson or Moreland, other than they're unknown and as yet, untested commodity's. PF is our weakest link, but we're strong at SF candidates is the reason I'm not for Stanley Johnson starting this year, but I'm all for giving him consistent PT.

DX, I am also skeptical that SVG can coach. I never liked him going all the way back to Orlando. I don't really like him as a GM either.

I am not a Ricky Rubio fan. I would rather take my chances on Jackson's knee recovering, and RJ returning to form. That might not happen, in which case we will need another starting PG that is not Jackson, Rubio or Ish Smith.

Leuer is a boring player. I would like to see SVG develop and play Ellenson, with the hope that he can move into the starting line-up by mid-season. But it might be a stretch to start him now.

Having said that, there is nothing statistically that says Leuer is a bad player. We might prefer Ellenson because he has a much higher upside, but that doesn't mean Leuer is a bad player. I would have preferred Serge Ibaka.

I agree that Stanley Johnson should get consistent playing time. But offensively, he just isn't getting it. His offensive game is not NBA caliber. He needs to focus on his defense and rebounding like MKG, and stop shooting the ball entirely. Like Andre Drummond, SJ should only score on put-backs and dunks.

That said, Johnson is an impressive defensive player and might develop into a valuable asset. But in hindsight, we should have drafted Winslow, or a number of other players.









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Why who STARTS is a point of complaint

Post  deusXango on Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:30 am

Sparma, I'm a big fan of Tobias Harris, and think he's been one of the top THREE players on the Pistons since he's been in Detroit; my bias is based on that and nothing more. Jon Leuer and Marcus Morris had been career backups and were paid like backups, but Morris was playing very well alongside Harris, as the PF, before the change because of scoring concerns; the teams scoring went down after Harris was demoted to bench play, but his scoring average didn't decline and it wasn't due to ball-hogging. I don't understand how minutes played factors into who starts and who comes off the bench when it's really a question of fit, chemistry, and production. Which was the better starting duo of forwards, Morris/Leuer or Morris/Harris? IMHO therein lies the root cause of controversy. Facts vs. slick double-talk. My eye test and the opinion of HOF ex-Pistons great, Isiah Lord Thomas lll, is not what I use to make a case against Leuer, but build a case for Harris. You don't bench a player the quality of Harris and make the team better. Leuer is not a defensive stalwart either. The bottom line is, I have little faith in a coach who makes decisions regarding his players that leads to unnecessary controversy.

What stunned me was a comparison made on another basketball site between the Spurs (NBA Champions) Manu Ginobili and the Pistons (Lottery team) Tobias Harris.....Stan Van Gundy ain't no Greg Popovich and that's the rub with team evaluation, and player deployment.
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