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Post  cool breeze Today at 10:44 am

Sparma wrote:Started watching in the 3rd quarter.  

Beautiful pass by Boban to Tolliver.  (Don, I'm not claiming that Boban's the second coming of Shaq, merely that a coach who can't put such an offensive weapon to good use in a limited role is a fool.)

Very nice reverse lay up by Stanley, following a run in on the other end.  (btw, I agree with those who say Stanley must be dropped as a starter.  He's a good hustle player on a cheap contract, nothing more until he learns to shoot.)

Reggie Bullock looked lively.  Can't get him some minutes as long as he's healthy?

Tobias drove to the basket to good effect a number of times.  Glad he's improved his shooting, but he needs to drive regularly, because he, Reggie J. (until midnight strikes), and Boban are our only consistent threats around the basket.  I happen to think that Ellenson may be a consistent threat around the basket too, but I guess we won't find out this season.  AD scores there too, I understand, but thank goodness he's limiting his still ineffectual post up attempts.  Credit to him on pick 'n rolls though.

Sparma glad to read that at least you are willing to admit that there are some positive moments even though the team has lost a bunch of games. I am sure SVG would like to experiment adding and subtracting players from the rotation. But he knows the danger in that is loss of team chemistry and overall confidence. My opinion is that there has been a good group of young players who have beaten good teams this season. That didn't happen much last year. The players are young. Jerking them in and out of the rotation and mixing new players in with those left in the rotation means that group will need time to form a bond or trust with each other. Forming a good rotation is not easy. If coach decides to bench Moreland they lose an athletic center who competes hard on the defensive end. He might get beat on the boards at times but he also is a threat to block shots and his motor is real good. If the coach plays Boban he puts the team in a funk on defense because the Pistons have no big strong gifted defensive minded power forward to can protect the paint. How many centers play at the same speed and have the slow feet Boban possesses in the current NBA game? For the Spurs Boban was a mop up man. He was a crowd favorite. Signing Boban and Leuer was a huge mistake. We could still have Baynes if SVG had been in his right mind two summers ago.

The name Reggie Bullock keeps coming up. He has had a ton of chances to prove himself. Something is missing with this guy. He has the tools to become a good scorer. But something is missing for sure. His past transgressions with substance abuse is bothersome for me. Has he solved the problems that caused him to be involved in that type of thing? The NBA can be a lonely life if your confidence is low and you are not getting playing time.

My opinion might be wrong but I am sticking with it and hope the coach does as well for this entire season. I would like to see this same group battle together and see how it all turns out. That means I want to see Jackson, Drummond, Harris, Bradley, Johnson, Tolliver, Moreland, Kennard, and Smith in the rotation. Of course I want to see Ellenson play like everyone else but I do not think the coach is wrong for not placing him in the rotation yet. His defense needs more work. But there is no excuse not to play him if Harris or Tolliver is not in top form. If there is a favorable matchup where Boban can have an advantage and not screw up the works on defense then of course play him over Moreland or Drummond. I think it is important for the current rotation players to become more competent playing the motion offense. The team still needs to do a better job setting screens and moving bodies and the ball around so they play both sides of the court. The real test is coming soon. How will this team perform in January and Feb. Will they fold or surprise everyone and get better. Last season they folded. I do not think that will happen this time around. The players need more support. Piston fans go to the games and stop bitching. I have been guilty of bitching too much in the past. I see something good with these players. I think they will get better if they stay together and ignore all the insults. Good luck players. Keep working hard and tune out the negative.

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A few good things I saw

Post  Sparma Yesterday at 11:41 pm

Started watching in the 3rd quarter.

Beautiful pass by Boban to Tolliver. (Don, I'm not claiming that Boban's the second coming of Shaq, merely that a coach who can't put such an offensive weapon to good use in a limited role is a fool.)

Very nice reverse lay up by Stanley, following a run in on the other end. (btw, I agree with those who say Stanley must be dropped as a starter. He's a good hustle player on a cheap contract, nothing more until he learns to shoot.)

Reggie Bullock looked lively. Can't get him some minutes as long as he's healthy?

Tobias drove to the basket to good effect a number of times. Glad he's improved his shooting, but he needs to drive regularly, because he, Reggie J. (until midnight strikes), and Boban are our only consistent threats around the basket. I happen to think that Ellenson may be a consistent threat around the basket too, but I guess we won't find out this season. AD scores there too, I understand, but thank goodness he's limiting his still ineffectual post up attempts. Credit to him on pick 'n rolls though.
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Ohh Stop It!!!!!

Post  WTF Yesterday at 9:50 pm

With the tough schedule crap these last 2 losses were at home one against a team minus its star PG and the other against a team they've already beaten on the road so lets drop this excuse.  Hell they beat both these teams on the road so lets just kill the excuses right now the truth is this team isn't a good as it was thought to be before this skid.

If the first 20 games were suppose to be a confidence builder to a successful season these last 6 games must be a confidence killer.  I'm not surprise because I predicted this skid in a post prior to the season and in fact I think I predicted a tough month of December for them.  This month only gets worse!  facepalm

Look at the schedule and ask yourself if this team win 3 of the next 9 games.  I'm almost certain that will be a difficult task to accomplish IMO I see 2 games can be marked potentially wins (Denver and Dallas) and maybe they'll be lucky enough to split games with the Magic and Pacers.  **** is getting real!
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Post  cool breeze Yesterday at 9:14 pm

Sparma wrote:Great picture, BallinD!

Watched the game this morning, as it was blocked as nationally televised on my (computer) NBA Pass.

I do think Boban can make a "special" contribution, Don, and I think yesterday's game demonstrated it pretty well.  Even in the first half, when he was 1-4 as I remember, he was getting good looks, close to the basket.  And I'd say he triggered the comeback as much as anyone in the second half.  I think we can agree he hasn't played especially well this season, yet dude's averaging close to a point per minute.  Surely, a creative coach can find a role for someone with such offensive firepower, particularly when (from my point of view) a stale offense's our undoing time and again.  I don't want to attack Moreland, because I think he's done well as a defensive specialist, and I think there's space for him and Boban in complementary roles.  BUT, again Milwaukee, Moreland twice got the ball under the their basket and tried a wild pass out, both times leading to TOs.  Kelser even commented on one of those, saying that Moreland's got to go for his own shot in that position.  Boban would have gone straight up with both of those.  When you end up losing by 4, stuff like that really matters.  Evidently, something did register with SVG, because I think last night's the most minutes Boban's seen, other than an earlier game (v Milwaukee?) where both AD and Moreland got into quick foul trouble.  When you're getting blocked so routinely, why not go to the guy who's virtually unblockable?  Down by 2 late, I'd make Boban one of my top go to options, but we're not there yet.

And Kevin Durant's pretty good.

Everyone is in a panic now. My take is that this has been a very difficult schedule to deal with over the past month especially for young players who are still bonding. I like Eric Moreland especially because he is athletic. From my personal experience it is very difficult to build any kind of consistency with a extra large slow footed player and that was at the high school level of coaching. You never know who will show up and it really isn't the fault of those large specimen types. Their bodies work in different ways and seldom can guys like Boban play two games in a row the same way. Moreland is not an offensive powerhouse I get it. But the coach can always count on him running the floor fast and setting up on defense in the paint where he is supposed to be. And he is pretty good at setting screens meaning that he at least makes the effort and never just stands around. What I was hoping for is to see him get regular minutes for an entire season and hopefully he will be much improved at shot blocking and rebounding by April. Who knows but I do not believe that Boban will change anything. I think the Pistons have enough good players now. They just need to get better and play better together. The shots were falling well in the early going. Then the schedule became brutal. I think these guys will recover. They just need to play a few games against average to below average teams to get their confidence back. This group won a game at Golden State, the Clippers, and at Boston. You can't do that if you don't have players with some ability or more ability than the Pistons have had in several years.

The offense is sluggish at times. The players need to set more screens for each other and move the basketball better. Individually players need to be better prepared against specific opponents. Next time AD should be ready for a match up with Baynes. He should win that matchup in a big way all the time and look forward to the meeting. Stanley Johnson is feeling too much pressure because of his shooting slump. I believe he is not shooting the ball well because he has changed his release on his jump shot which is what the assistant coaches told him to do. It is just not working. He used to be much more confident and was a scorer. His release was with his shooting hand only and his off hand was completely off the ball. The technique he is currently using is pitiful. His base is also horrible when he goes up for the shot. Come to a solid jump stop Stanley with your feet spread and do not move sideways. Johnson is failing to execute fundamental skills that used to be automatic for him.

Whatever specific individual flaws the players in the rotation currently have can be overcome. What I still like even with the losing streak is that they look like they have good team chemistry. The Pistons started the season with a chip on their shoulders after be ridiculed for their failures last season. That brought them together as a group while adding new players to the pot. It takes time to form a perfect bond. This is what is going on now. It will be them against not only their opponents but also against their own Piston fan base. Fans quit early on players and they know it when things are not going well. They know fans are quick to figure out ways to package them to Siberia or other parts unknown. Even teams that have been playing together for a long time have these moments where nothing is going right. I just hope everyone does't bail on them and stop making the effort to attend games. Go Pistons!

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Well well well

Post  BallinD Yesterday at 9:01 pm

Oracle wrote:At this point, can somebody explain to me why we aren't starting Ellenson at PF and moving Harris to SF and sending Stanley to the bench???

Stupid Van Gundy, or is it Stubborn Van Gundy, or Sameold Van Gundy... facepalm Kuester
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Post  Oracle Yesterday at 8:18 pm

At this point, can somebody explain to me why we aren't starting Ellenson at PF and moving Harris to SF and sending Stanley to the bench???
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OMG...

Post  Oracle Yesterday at 7:37 pm

Well, Ballin, good old Self Check proved true to form! SVG says he needs to find his own way out of this slump?

Question: What effing slump, this is what Stanley does!!! SVG needs to get his arse out of the starting lineup... stick a fork in Stanley, he's done!

BTW: That pic of Reggie doing his hero thing cracked me up, looked like the Warriors were performing a Heil Hitler salute  lol

I'll say it again! Bradley looked like he was going to score a ton of points, he had a healthy 12 at half time! Problem is, he had 12 at the end of the game... Self Check in training?

Drummond? Don't get me started, he should have been feasting on this team but he had a goose egg until he tripped over 6 points for the game in the 4th.

Kennard, Tolliver, Ish & Harris did their best to win this one, but it wasn't to be. Hell, even Bullock got some burn, but he looks better injured!

@Wise: Dual roles? How about no roles... this ship is taking on water and is listing.

Needless to say that this game was a HUGE disappointment for me...
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Might Be Time

Post  BallinD Yesterday at 6:28 pm

To get Boban in the game Stan?  Bullock? Somebody, anybody? Ellensen? We need a spark...Get A Fire Going! 54-37. Dre with 0-3, Weggie 0-9!!??
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Some People Say

Post  BallinD on Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:48 pm

Stankey Johnson is not an NBA player.  I do not agree, though I will definitively say he is not an NBA starter.

1. Can't shoot
2. Can't finish at the rim
3. Despite all the hype, is not athletic -- no hops, not quick, can't block shots, can't, cannot, will not, finish at the rim.

When I played ball, on the playgrounds and schoolyards opposing players would call out players like him this way: "Self Check, Self Check."

Get him out of the starting lineup and move him: either to the back of the rotation or to another team.  BTW, SVG, you drafted him despite the Draft Express and other scouting reports that pointed out he could not finish at the rim or shoot. Period.  Get him out of here.  He is NOT! helping this team.  The jury is in and the fat lady sang!



SVG says he has to find his way out of the slump.  Dump Him for assets.  That is the way!
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Post  Sparma on Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:40 pm

Great picture, BallinD!

Watched the game this morning, as it was blocked as nationally televised on my (computer) NBA Pass.

I do think Boban can make a "special" contribution, Don, and I think yesterday's game demonstrated it pretty well.  Even in the first half, when he was 1-4 as I remember, he was getting good looks, close to the basket.  And I'd say he triggered the comeback as much as anyone in the second half.  I think we can agree he hasn't played especially well this season, yet dude's averaging close to a point per minute.  Surely, a creative coach can find a role for someone with such offensive firepower, particularly when (from my point of view) a stale offense's our undoing time and again.  I don't want to attack Moreland, because I think he's done well as a defensive specialist, and I think there's space for him and Boban in complementary roles.  BUT, again Milwaukee, Moreland twice got the ball under the their basket and tried a wild pass out, both times leading to TOs.  Kelser even commented on one of those, saying that Moreland's got to go for his own shot in that position.  Boban would have gone straight up with both of those.  When you end up losing by 4, stuff like that really matters.  Evidently, something did register with SVG, because I think last night's the most minutes Boban's seen, other than an earlier game (v Milwaukee?) where both AD and Moreland got into quick foul trouble.  When you're getting blocked so routinely, why not go to the guy who's virtually unblockable?  Down by 2 late, I'd make Boban one of my top go to options, but we're not there yet.

And Kevin Durant's pretty good.
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Hero Ball by the Anti-Hero

Post  BallinD on Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:59 pm

"What is the definition of basketball insanity?

Doing the same thing over and over, like forcing the ball up against incredible shot blockers, and expecting a different result..." Freep columnist Jeff Seidel.

Watching the game and seeing Weggie drive into the trees was bad, but this picture says it all.  Sheeeeesh!  Somebody slap him!

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Post  Murph on Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:15 am

Oracle wrote: (Why) didn't SVG call a TIMEOUT???

I was screaming at the TV set for 15 seconds for SVG to call a time out and draw up a play.  

You know when that dumbas called time?  When the Pistons were down by 4 with 5 seconds left....so he could draw up a 4 point play, I guess.  facepalm
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Dual Roles

Post  WTF on Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:30 am

This is also the problem in reaching next level SVG isn't capable of handling dual roles.


We all know Philly had to dump Okafor and as you can see they took almost anything to get rid of him.  Did we even make a play on getting him knowing we needed a big?   How did we blow the Bledsoe deal?  What other moves/deals got ignored because I think SVG was feeling himself those first 20 games as well.  Good GM's don't get comfortable wee saw too much of that **** with Joe standing pat deadline after deadline I honest thought SVG would be a more active GM and more of a risk taker.  

I would have liked to seen a starting lineup of Bledsoe, Bradley, Harris, Okafor, and Drummond and can't definitively say this is better but it at least gives the impression of looking to reach next level.  Why in the hell do you force a potential bust into the starting rotation, why do you persistently allow Tolliver to go 0 for 9 on 3's? Better yet why are you still struggling with settling on a rotation 25 games in.   

Chuck, Rick, Flip and LB all locked in a rotation (8, 9, 10) nothing change much but it seems SVG has played all 12 players partly out of confusion and not by designed or necessity. Honestly I don't think SVG is qualified for either job (coach or GM)  facepalm
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I'm Only Interested In Next Level Stuff

Post  WTF on Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:09 am

Yep there was a time this team was sitting 2nd in the conference and 4th overall in the league but seems reality is about to set in now that the team is sitting 7th in the conference and worse 4th in the division where that sat atop for the better part of the start of the season.

As the losses mount are we now grumbling on the coaching of SVG?  Well this issue has always been my concern mainly because it trickles down to every other ill this team might have.  Eventually it'll trickle down to the 39 wins I predicted.  

This won't be the only stretch in the season where the games are tough and I'm not all that sure that they're learning from this. Do any of you think we'll knock off Boston again? Maybe or Maybe Not. 

Don't get me wrong I'm not ragging on the team and really hope that the high prediction are realized it's just that I don't see it.   I still think a rebuild is required even if this team finish above .500 at season end. But really I think a couple of pieces need to be moved now particularly Reggie even though he's improved slightly, definitely Stanky Johnson has to go and I'm not locked on keep Andre because he's not consistent in 25 games he's delivered only 3 franchise player type games.  

15pt and 15rebs average isn't shabby but it's not franchise numbers but you know Moose use to manage similar numbers and they were probably the most over-rated stats ever. Those numbers could be comparable to those of Lamb but they're not nearly as impactful (next level type ****) Clearly all three had better stats than Big Ben but ask yourself this question who would you prefer Andre or Big Ben in his prime.

I guess because I'm only interested in next level ponder on this a bit Zeke-Joe and Big Shot-Rip definitely next level backcourts don't tell me Reggie and Bradley compare in any manner, shape or form.  

Like I said I'm not ragging on them this very possibly a playoff team but it's not next level for a brief moment it looked like it could be but these last 5 games say's otherwise.  Time for SVG the GM to get his **** together but might not matter if he keeps SVG the coach.
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That was the Game

Post  BallinD on Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:40 pm

Oracle wrote:Didn't SVG call a TIMEOUT???

Damn! Are you kidding me? We played poorly, fought back anyway, despite the GS block party, RJ takes on the whole team on that last play, going one on three(no recognition that there were open shooters everywhere) and SVG stands there with that stupid incredulous look on his face as the game slipped away. "Yeah, that one was on me."

Damn right it was! Stupid Van Gundy!
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Why in the world...

Post  Oracle on Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:29 pm

Didn't SVG call a TIMEOUT???
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Post  Oracle on Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:37 pm

@Don: Ok, I hear you, I may be over analyzing your posts, and I don't want this to be a board that's too critical, it erases the fun, and as you said, this year is shaping up to be a very fun one for all of us who have suffered through a ton of losing!

@Sparma: You had me cracking up on that Boban post! I'm right there with you with all of the SVG meacolpa's, it's getting tiresome!

@Murph, @Wise, @Sparma: That was a damn good trade for the Nets, but what was Philly thinking taking back a 30 year old Booker? Man, if that's all they wanted, I agree with Wise & Murph that we could have given them higher quality players... DAMN!!!

Game: We can win this one!!!
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Post  cool breeze on Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:59 pm

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cool breeze wrote:if you are a Piston fan it is never fun to see them lose. But I watched the entire game against the Bucks and enjoyed every minute. I never witnessed any Piston player slacking off on either offense or defense. This game was a real battle and it all came down to the Bucks players having the hot hand all night long making a high percentage of their shots while several Piston players struggled making open shots. It wasn't that the Bucks players were far superior to our players. It was just one of those nights where shots at big moments did not go in. I can live with that. It is how the Pistons are playing now that is impressive. They never give up. It is not like last season where there was a clear indication that players gave up and thought they had no chance of winning most games.(That wasn't the case, they gave up because SVG basically sabotaged every effort to win, from forcing an injured Reggie down their throat to his horrible coaching. They knew they had no hope!)  This team huddled at center court after the game was lost and did some team bonding. Andre Drummond played his heart out in that game. The motion offense at times looked real good with the ball swinging from side to side and 4 or 5 players getting touches in a lot of possessions. This team is learning how to play the right way after a season of not having any idea how to play the right way(That's totally wrong, the players knew how to play and showed it until SVG stopped letting them play winning ball). Go Pistons!
If everybody, including SVG learned this lesson from last year, it's disturbing to see you saying these things that are simply not the case. You act like nothing changed, and a lot changed with this team, but mostly Reggie, Drummond and SVG.

Other than that, the most solid part of your post is something that I totally agree with, I love the way they're playing and we're going to win a lot of games once we get past this stretch. They're playing like I thought, and Sparma & DX should have the best shot at winning the prediction game, IMO(50-54 wins).

In a post I made earlier this year, I thought that if we could win 44 games in a tough east, we should be able to win 54 games this year if Reggie was healthy.

Well, the East isn't as weak as many thought, we're currently kicking the West's butts head to head, so DX may be closest with 50... we'll see.

Oracle it is great to hear that you do not think everything I write is a lie. Now my lying is down to a few things that you disagree with. My only purpose for posting in this highly critical forum was to offer my simple thought that this Piston team is much different from teams in the recent past. The roster is different with the returnees now playing much better. My post included the part about AD where I thought he held the team together throughout. This new motion offense is a perfect fit for AD. He becomes more active unlike last season. AD loves to touch the basketball as do most players. We have to give SVG some credit here for realizing that he might get a lot more out of AD with this type of offense. He has made some bad decisions lately with his passing but overall I think he is doing an above average job of finding cutters. And is effort is now where it needs to be running from baseline to baseline and helping teammates at times with the trap. And i must point out that we have better cutters led by Avery Bradley who is much more active than KCP. I do not disagree with you as to the impact both AD and RJ have given this team so far. They are both playing better than ever with RJ now showing more spunk at times on defense too.

My most important point that I wanted to make is to hope that fans and the head coach remain patient with this team. Two players currently in the rotation ( Moreland and Kennard ) are making their first tour as rotation players. In that I mean they are playing against vet opponents in matchups for the first time in their lives. That is difficult. Yet they are holding their own in my opinion. Coaches have pressure to win. Fans usually just want their team to win. In my case, I enjoy the game of basketball when two teams play the right way against each other on the same night. I have watched our team really compete hard. They have gotten behind for one reason or another and yet they do not give up and usually make a comeback several times in one game when they fall behind by 10 or more points. That is encouraging. It is not time to panic. We do not need to find some miracle cure anymore. This team just needs to keep a consistent hard edge which they have at this time. This is the season that the Pistons need to find out how to win. Remember when Billups, Hamilton, Wallace and Prince kept losing to the Nets. They lost in the playoffs but never gave up. You could see the fight they had and how they hated to lose. This what I see with this team now. I think these players really like each other and love playing together. They share the ball and help each other on defense. They experience the peaks and valleys and hold together. I thought it was touching when the Piston team met at center court after losing to the Bucks. They formed a circle and digested that defeat. That tells me that they really care. You can talk about the coaching where the wrong offense was run and the drama SVG caused at times. But maybe the returnees had to go though that misery where they were laughed at when visiting opponent arenas and few cheered for them at home games. None of those returning players want a repeat of those times. You can tell that all of them have put in a lot of work over the summer.

This is a very young team. We do not need knee jerk decisions at this time to change anything with the roster. These players are going to get better together. I disagree with anyone who thinks that Boban is going to add something special unless he has an extremely talented defensive big man playing on the floor at the same time he gets minutes. Boban is a day late and a dollar short so to speak when it comes to playing the motion offense or being able to defend anyone except the slowest big men on the planet. He can't defend anyone in the Euro league. The game is much faster and players like Boban do not fit in. This was perhaps the dumbest signing in SVG's history and I didn't like the Leuer signing either. But nobody is perfect. I like the way SVG is coaching this team now. He is showing patience. He knows this team is bonding in a good way. That is hard for any coach to find in the NBA. Everyone needs to hang together. The players are doing that. So far the coaching staff has been a positive influence. The shots will start falling eventually in a consistent fashion. The players just need to keep bringing this hard edge to every game and they will start winning their share. Then eventually as this team becomes something special one superstar player can be added if not though the draft then through free agency. Then we Piston fans will not be quarreling about using Boban or Moreland. In Moreland's case this was a brilliant decision by SVG to add him to the team. He will be getting better. I love his spirit. His teammates love his effort. Only some fans are unhappy at this time. But fans should love the way our Pistons played both San Antonio and Milwaukee. Our players had a chance to win both games.

This team is very close to becoming a team that can beat anyone if they just keep playing the way they are dong now. So Piston fans be happy and don't worry.

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SVG on Boban

Post  Sparma on Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:40 pm

SVG on Marjanovic: “We talked about that after the (Milwaukee) game and I do think I’ve probably bypassed half a dozen situations over the course of the season where he could have been very helpful and useful,” Van Gundy said Friday. “We’ll try to do a better job of finding good situations for him to play in, especially when we’re having offensive struggles.

“At the very least, he gives the other team a different look in how you have to play things.”

Good news, but I'll admit to getting tired of SVG admitting after the fact he failed to do something when it's perfectly clear to many of us at the time that he should be trying something. Especially in San Antonio, as Oracle pointed out. Oh well. Fingers crossed for some good results.

Ideally, I think you can get a nice O and D platoon going with Marjanovic and Moreland. There's a lot of opportunity for quick subbing in the NBA, if you want the best results more so than worrying about bruising egos of players going in and out quickly.
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Trade

Post  Sparma on Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:27 pm

Great deal for the Nets, even though Okafor's in the last year of his deal.

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Oracle wrote:The Philadelphia 76ers have agreed to trade center Jahlil Okafor, forward Nik Stauskas and a second-round pick to the Brooklyn Nets for forward Trevor Booker, according to reports from Shams Charania of Yahoo Sports and Zach Lowe of ESPN.

What were the 76ers thinking?  I know they had to move Okafor, but I can't believe they could only get Trevor Booker in return.  

If I were SVG, I would have given up more than Booker for Okafor.  I would have given up anyone not named Drummond, Harris, Jackson, Kennard or Smith.
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Wait...What?

Post  Murph on Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:16 am

Oracle wrote:The Philadelphia 76ers have agreed to trade center Jahlil Okafor, forward Nik Stauskas and a second-round pick to the Brooklyn Nets for forward Trevor Booker, according to reports from Shams Charania of Yahoo Sports and Zach Lowe of ESPN.

What were the 76ers thinking?  I know they had to move Okafor, but I can't believe they could only get Trevor Booker in return.  

If I were SVG, I would have given up more than Booker for Okafor.  I would have given up anyone not named Drummond, Harris, Jackson, Kennard or Smith.
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Bad News for the GM SVG

Post  BallinD on Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:06 pm

I too thought Okafor would have been perfect for our "bench woes."  But SVG is too in love with Moreland?  Okafor on PF and Tobias moved to SF would have done the trick.

How about now we try to get Boban some bench minutes, maybe try playing him with Moreland to cover for his lack of footspeed and let Kennard and SJ round out the bunch.  Move Ellensen to start, just to see what it looks like.  Alternatively, start Tolliver and put Ellensen in the bench crew since SVG is complaining about his bench.

I guess a move like that would have made too much sense. Stupid Van Gundy.
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Post  WTF on Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:28 pm

Oracle wrote:The Philadelphia 76ers have agreed to trade center Jahlil Okafor, forward Nik Stauskas and a second-round pick to the Brooklyn Nets for forward Trevor Booker, according to reports from Shams Charania of Yahoo Sports and Zach Lowe of ESPN.

I think I would have like Okafor and Stauskas in a trade.   I think the Nets are going to play him at PF it should work out and I could see him playing PF here next to Andre and moving Harris back to SF.  Too bad we didn't think of it  would have gladly gave up Stanky Johnson and JL and a 2nd round pick
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Does this make any F'ing sense?

Post  Oracle on Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:51 pm

The Philadelphia 76ers have agreed to trade center Jahlil Okafor, forward Nik Stauskas and a second-round pick to the Brooklyn Nets for forward Trevor Booker, according to reports from Shams Charania of Yahoo Sports and Zach Lowe of ESPN.
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Let This Possibility Marinate For Awhile

Post  deusXango on Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:18 pm

I fully anticipate the naysayers and cynics to be all over this, but consider this trade; Stanley Johnson, Boban, Jon Leuer, and a first round pick for Paul George. The chances of resigning both Avery Bradley and Paul George are much better than 50/50!
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