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Post  WTF on Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:21 pm

Wow collectively above 50% overall FG% and Holy Moly!!!! 54% from deep.   Team sure starting to look like it can win 50 games but I won't change from my 39 win prediction because SVG will screw this up.
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Thus Spake Zarathrustra

Post  deusXango on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:51 pm

This is a 50 win team, so why not predict 50 wins?!
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Post  WTF on Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:32 pm

Andre stats should read like this every single night still not convince though
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Post  Murph on Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:03 am

Instead of being the reserve PF or center, Leuer should be allowed to compete with Reggie Bullock for reserve SF minutes. At 6'10, 228, Leuer should be quick enough and long enough to defend a lot of reserve SFs. And he shoots well from the perimeter.
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Post  cool breeze on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:45 am

Murph wrote:Don. I don't actually hate Stanley Johnson.  In fact, I've been very pleased by his development this year.  And he had another good defensive game last night.

I just rip on SJ to get you to write half page diatribes defending him.  It beats reading your half page diatribes blasting our future HOFer, Andre Drummond, who had another great game last night.  Or your half page diatribes ripping into our scrappy PG, Reggie Jackson, who is heroically fighting back from a serious knee injury, and who's also playing better than anyone dreamed he would.

It's kind of like when Wise would relentlessly rip into Rodney Stuckey.  I starting blasting one of Wise's favorites, Charlie Villanueva, to distract him from Stuckey.  lol



Great game last night.  I loved the standing ovation Dre received for his free throw shooting.  clap clap  clap

And there is no reason Jon Jeuer should ever play another minute at reserve center.  Eric Moreland was a revelation last night.  Moreland was outstanding.   pom pom


The new arena looked more full than the first few games.  I hope Lemonpen was there enjoying the game.

Oracle on thing is true. We all really care about the success of the Pistons. When they win and play the right way, everything is right with the world. It feels the same as when we were kids and playing on our teams. There was nothing worse than losing.

Drummond played a great game. And there can be nothing to be critical of relating to both centers referring to both Andre and Eric. That was the Moreland that I remember who was a high basketball IQ player for Oregon State a few years ago.

Johnson and Tolliver bottled up the Greed Freak last night. What an effort they both made.

The only weakness last night was at the starting point guard position but until the last 2 minutes of the game, if you forgot Reggie's weak defense on Brogdon, I thought Reggie looked more like a real point guard on offense. He got the offense started and let his teammates run the plays this team practices. But then with just under 2 minutes to go, first Reggie did not react properly on defense when his man got by him with dribble penetration and Johnson switched to cut Brogdon off before he reached the rim. That was supposed to be a hit and switch play where Johnson reacted properly but Reggie failed to jump out on the Freak and the result was a 3 pointer. Then after that Reggie deviated from the brilliant SVG game play and did his own thing at the expense of this team. Yes Reggie said it is Reggie Time and then dribble around and ended up with a contested off balance 3 point shot that had no chance of making it to the rim. Johnson steals the ball to save Reggie. The Pistons are really in command of the game. All Reggie had to do is take the shot clock down or better yet get a pass out to Bradley on the wing and that would have forced the Bucks into committed a foul to stop the clock. But instead Reggie decided to go solo and drive the ball into traffic with 20 seconds left in the clock. What kind of idiot does that kind of thing if they have ever been on a winning caliber team? SVG had smoke coming off his forehead. I think Reggie went one on one for the last 4 possessions. Even the layup he made was a dumb thing to do. Take the ball out and burn clock. The point guard has to be the smartest player on the floor and Reggie proved that he is just a guy trying to find his own shot in another show off circus act type performance. At least in this game, I thought he handled himself pretty well on offense especially in the first half. Hopefully Reggie learned something from the last two minutes of this game. All he needs to do is improve on defense and share the basketball more like he did in the first half.

Overall this was a great example of the capability this team has to beat almost anyone when they share the ball, grind it out playing tough defense and limiting dribble penetration while sticking to their specific game plan. For this team it will have to be defense that creates victories and I for one am loving seeing the hard nosed grit these players showed last night and in the Clippers and Golden State game. This team did learn something in that loss to the Lakers. Great job!!

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Post  Murph on Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:41 am

Don. I don't actually hate Stanley Johnson.  In fact, I've been very pleased by his development this year.  And he had another good defensive game last night.

I just rip on SJ to get you to write half page diatribes defending him.  It beats reading your half page diatribes blasting our future HOFer, Andre Drummond, who had another great game last night.  Or your half page diatribes ripping into our scrappy PG, Reggie Jackson, who is heroically fighting back from a serious knee injury, and who's also playing better than anyone dreamed he would.

It's kind of like when Wise would relentlessly rip into Rodney Stuckey.  I starting blasting one of Wise's favorites, Charlie Villanueva, to distract him from Stuckey.  lol



Great game last night.  I loved the standing ovation Dre received for his free throw shooting.  clap clap  clap

And there is no reason Jon Jeuer should ever play another minute at reserve center.  Eric Moreland was a revelation last night.  Moreland was outstanding.  


The new arena looked more full than the first few games.  I hope Lemonpen was there enjoying the game.
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Post  Oracle on Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:35 pm

Wise, you better believe he's in damage control mode! SVG had his ass traded and plays for Bledsoe already put into the offense  lol

Then BOOM, something happened, I'm not sure what, but either NO or the Suns got cold feet, likely NO because two first round picks should be heaven for a rebuilding team like Phoenix. Hell, I wish we were smart enough to get two first round picks to add to our own.

Tonight's Game: We should be able to beat the Bucks pretty bad. They're sputtering after initially looking good coming out of the gate. We may not blow them out, but we should win. 

Another tough match up for Stanley as Antetokounmpo is a tough cover.
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Post  WTF on Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:10 pm

Oracle wrote:
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2017/11/03/pistons-van-gundy-were-not-trading-jackson-bledsoe/107300812/?src=rss wrote:“It was crazy yesterday,” Van Gundy said Friday. “I left practice yesterday and there’s a rumor out on Reggie and Bledsoe so I had to get home and call Reggie and say we’re not trading you for Bledsoe. I don’t usually address all of them but it’s early in the (season). You can’t address all of them at the trade deadline, but I felt the need to address this.”


Van Gundy has said in the past that general manager Jeff Bower does his due diligence in reaching out about trade possibilities — and in this case, there may have been preliminary talks — but nothing came to fruition.
Nothing came of it... No sh!t!!!

These rumors have been going on all week and he's just hearing about them yesterday??? What a crock!

I have little respect for SVG these days and this is why the coach needs to be an honest broker and not be the GM who has to do shady stuff.

I've said it before, if anybody on this teams believes anything SVG says about their career, they need to be shot.

Now we get the silly lie about Kennard! Kennard can't play because SVG doesn't like his aggressiveness! More BS, he's not playing because he's a rookie and everyone ahead of him is playing well, it's as simple as that, but the truth is SVG's enemy.

BTW, I agree with the reason Kennard isn't playing.

This man is toxic, IMO.

I was just thinking SVG is full of **** and if Reggie believe his ass wasn't about to be traded he's a fool.   I don't know what made Phoenix back away or if New Orleans wasn't in play but it seem like Reggie was on his way to New Orleans yesterday.  

SVG is in damage control mode right now so that means he's piling on the ****
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Van Gundy is so full of sh!t...

Post  Oracle on Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:00 pm

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2017/11/03/pistons-van-gundy-were-not-trading-jackson-bledsoe/107300812/?src=rss wrote:“It was crazy yesterday,” Van Gundy said Friday. “I left practice yesterday and there’s a rumor out on Reggie and Bledsoe so I had to get home and call Reggie and say we’re not trading you for Bledsoe. I don’t usually address all of them but it’s early in the (season). You can’t address all of them at the trade deadline, but I felt the need to address this.”


Van Gundy has said in the past that general manager Jeff Bower does his due diligence in reaching out about trade possibilities — and in this case, there may have been preliminary talks — but nothing came to fruition.
Nothing came of it... No sh!t!!! Now that the deal is DEAD, he magically comes out and says nothing to see here, move on! SVG, your Jedi mind tricks are lame!

These rumors have been going on all week and he's just hearing about them yesterday??? What a crock!

I have little respect for SVG these days and this is why the coach needs to be an honest broker and not be the GM who has to do shady stuff.

I've said it before, if anybody on this teams believes anything SVG says about their career, they need to be shot.

Now we get the silly lie about Kennard! Kennard can't play because SVG doesn't like his aggressiveness! More BS, he's not playing because he's a rookie and everyone ahead of him is playing well, it's as simple as that, but the truth is SVG's enemy.

BTW, I agree with the reason Kennard isn't playing.

This man is toxic, IMO.
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Post  Oracle on Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:47 pm

WTF wrote:Cool I swear do you just make stuff up as you go along?  
Cool wrote:I will not write any additional posts standing up for Johnson. You and Oracle know it all. - Don, this is rich, the only person that claims to know everything about Stanley is YOU!!! While you understand the game and have good insights, your level of immaturity as it relates to evaluating players is becoming very obvious. 
I don't recall myself or Oracle claiming to know it all we just don't agree with you that Stanley is the next Dennis Rodman.  While we have all the proof that he's not largely because he currently isn't that being the biggest of proof.  I guess we are suppose to just take your word for it perhaps you should stop standing up for SJ because it questions your judgement. You have to stand back in amazement at a guy who over time keeps repeating the same mistakes over and over again and learns nothing... reading is fundamental.
Cool wrote:Maybe old school Piston fans are extinct and a new breed has arrived that loves selfish shoot first players who score 20 points a game but couldn't guard my Grandmother when she was alive. Don, then maybe KCP should have changed his name to Stanley Johnson Sr or something, because you complained about his shooting to no end and never credited him with playing any defense... how many ways do you want crap! He's gone and you still hate him.
This doesn't sound like me or Oracle  lol.  I'm sure we both wish Stanley was all the things you're claiming him to be but he's not.  First you have never seen a post of mine where I was more interested in stats over substance,  you know I prefer a pass first traditional type PG.   You also know that I've pine for the days of old and preach fundamentals over all things all the time.  Exactly, Stanley has talent and is improving so far, but he isn't anything special. Obviously he's not a bust as Phillip said, but come on, at times he's surely impersonating one.

Just be real Cool if Stanley was going to be the next Dennis Rodman we'll already know it and the only one saying he will be is you.  I'll believe it when I see Stanley defending Cousins ala Rodman defending the Dream.  Call me the day Stanley grabs 13 boards and have 5 blocks while holding Lebron below his season average.
Don, everything Zeke says isn't gospel! He's a talking head and a Piston fan, he wants us to be successful and he wants to butter up players to keep getting scoops.

You should have been glad if Stanley got traded back to your home state where you could watch his every game and sneak views of him late at night through the awesome technology of recorded video  lol

I predicted the Stanley would have a breakout year, so far I'm wrong, but he is moving in the right direction. You need to be a Piston fan, if we can get something for Stanley that makes us better, we need to do it.

I see you put down Bledsoe, but any casual observer should know that Bledsoe is a better player than Jackson, and doesn't have asthma.

BTW, your goal shouldn't be to stop posting about Stanley, that's a childish response. The goal should be to get better about posting about all players and keep the personal put downs out of it. For some reason you can't see that the facts speak for themselves, no additional personal editorial is required.
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Post  WTF on Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:56 am

Cool I swear do you just make stuff up as you go along?  



Cool wrote:I will not write any additional posts standing up for Johnson. You and Oracle know it all.

I don't recall myself or Oracle claiming to know it all we just don't agree with you that Stanley is the next Dennis Rodman.  While we have all the proof that he's not largely because he currently isn't that being the biggest of proof.  I guess we are suppose to just take your word for it perhaps you should stop standing up for SJ because it questions your judgement.


Cool wrote:Maybe old school Piston fans are extinct and a new breed has arrived that loves selfish shoot first players who score 20 points a game but couldn't guard my Grandmother when she was alive.

This doesn't sound like me or Oracle  lol.  I'm sure we both wish Stanley was all the things you're claiming him to be but he's not.  First you have never seen a post of mine where I was more interested in stats over substance,  you know I prefer a pass first traditional type PG.   You also know that I've pine for the days of old and preach fundamentals over all things all the time.  

Just be real Cool if Stanley was going to be the next Dennis Rodman we'll already know it and the only one saying he will be is you.  I'll believe it when I see Stanley defending Cousins ala Rodman defending the Dream.  Call me the day Stanley grabs 13 boards and have 5 blocks while holding Lebron below his season average.
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Post  cool breeze on Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:22 am

WTF wrote:
Cool wrote:Johnson has been one of our best players and most effective players this season. Zeke said that on NBA TV not me. He is the glue player who makes stops, gets deflections, grabs big rebounds and has also been making his share of shots lately. He could be the next Dennis Rodman relating to his ability to defend multiple positions. But it is just like Zeke said, a lot of fans look at those players who score 18 to 20 points a game and say boy that is what we need.

Man you're too funny I doubt very seriously that Zeke said Stanley could be the next Dennis Rodman  lol  How hard is it to be the best defender on the team in one's eyes if one thinks the rest of the team can't defend.  I guess Stanley is your Super Hero.

You're talking he potentially can defend all 5 positions that's not saying he can so until you have proof why tout it as fact.  We knew immediately that Rodman was special as rookie no one was saying in his 3rd year what Rodman can potentially be. Rodman was a lock down defender who defended every position on the court not just any players but the best of the best the ELITES, he was rebounding champ like 3 or 4 times.   You're crazy for even saying such nonsense Cool  facepalm  I doubt that right now Stanley is on par with Hunter.


And Stop Lying On Zeke

I said Johnson could be our Dennis Rodman. Zeke said "The pistons need more players like Stanley Johnson". He didn't just say that one time either. I have heard him say it several times WTF. You win games in the playoffs with players who can defend. Regular season games are mostly fake games until the last few minutes. But playoff games require smart players who can pass the ball to open teammates, set screens and defend. The knee jerk reactions are amazing to me knowing that Johnson is only a kid yet already is our best defender and a really good play maker. The problem is that he doesn't touch the basketball enough. Do you watch the games? Have you seen Johnson make those complicated spot on bounce passes to AD at the right moment and time? Who else does that on this team? The problem this team has is Johnson is not a big part of the offense which consists of the point guard bringing the ball up the court and finding his shot or a shot for Harris. Two players dominate the ball and they both shoot off balance low percentage shots early in the shot clock. I know the real problem is that the head coach actually tells his players that they have the green light. No worries according to SVG. No need to run a half court offense at all. To play that game you need super star stud players not average shooters. If you don't have superstar players you need to run a damn half court offense and use both sides of the court. That creates good team chemistry too and average NBA players have a chance to actually win some games playing that style. And Stanley Johnson is a guy who can be effective in a half court offense. Can this coaching staff control their out of control players and can they teach the players how to play a more complicated half court offense? Looks like the coaching staff can't do either of those things.

We agree that it would be nice to see a replacement for Reggie Jackson. But do we want another Reggie Jackson in Bledsoe? I would prefer a younger version of a player like Jeff Teague. We need a starting point guard who has a basketball brain that doesn't border on mentally challenged. I would move Jackson for a 2nd round draft pick with expiring contracts and then start Bradley at point guard and see how that works out if Jackson plays another game like the Laker game which was a repeat of all of his games last season. I think Bradley would work out fantastically well and might eliminate the amount of quick shots this team takes. The talk about including Johnson as a throw in is much like Dumars throwing in Middleton in that trade involving Jennings for Knight. I heard some posters getting excited with that trade because they hated Knight about as much as they hate Johnson. "Let's do it" was the motto then for some.

You who hate Johnson should not have much to worry about if he reads some of your posts. Johnson will get really good offers when his contract time arrives. Then you can be happy when he becomes an All Star on another team and we have a new draftee who can shoot the ball as much as Reggie and Harris do. Maybe old school Piston fans are extinct and a new breed has arrived that loves selfish shoot first players who score 20 points a game but couldn't guard my Grandmother when she was alive. I will not write any additional posts standing up for Johnson. You and Oracle know it all.

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Trade Rumor

Post  Murph on Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:28 am

"Johnson has been one of our best players and most effective players this season. Zeke said that on NBA TV not me. He is the glue player who makes stops, gets deflections, grabs big rebounds and has also been making his share of shots lately. He could be the next Dennis Rodman relating to his ability to defend multiple positions."

Johnson has not been one of our most effective players this year.  According to advanced stats, through 8 games, Drummond and Harris have been our most effective players, followed very closely by Jackson (based on win shares.) That said, SJ finally seems to be developing.  I'd hate to see him go, now that he's finally contributing.


I heard the rumor was Jackson and our 2018 1st rounder for Bledsoe.  At this point, that 1st rounder should be about an 18th or 20th pick.  I don't know much about Bledsoe.  He looks like a good scorer, and an average defender and playmaker...not really an upgrade over a healthy Jackson.  It all depends on Jackson's health.  

And Bledsoe might be another malcontent, like Marcus Morris.  Why do we keep collecting Phoenix's cast-offs?   

I can't get too excited about his trade.   Sleep
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Oh Bummer :( Part II

Post  WTF on Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:07 am

My gut was telling me RJ was gone before the season but the same time my gut was saying SVG would muck it up.   Now the trade talk seem to be mucked up again and the only one I see screwing it up is SVG.   

Phoenix would like to get rid of Bledsoe, and New Orleans wants Reggie so what the problem.  Pistons are willing to give up a 1st pick to Phoenix and New Orleans is willing to give up a 1st pick.   

Either Phoenix is wanting way more than just the token players to make the dollars match or SVG mucking it up.   Maybe it's not dead just yet maybe a 4th team might be in play.  

I just hope Phoenix didn't ask for Kennard or Ellenson
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Damn Skippy I'll Toss SJ Ass In On The Trade For Bledsoe

Post  WTF on Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:44 am

Cool wrote:Johnson has been one of our best players and most effective players this season. Zeke said that on NBA TV not me. He is the glue player who makes stops, gets deflections, grabs big rebounds and has also been making his share of shots lately. He could be the next Dennis Rodman relating to his ability to defend multiple positions. But it is just like Zeke said, a lot of fans look at those players who score 18 to 20 points a game and say boy that is what we need.

Man you're too funny I doubt very seriously that Zeke said Stanley could be the next Dennis Rodman  lol  How hard is it to be the best defender on the team in one's eyes if one thinks the rest of the team can't defend.  I guess Stanley is your Super Hero.

You're talking he potentially can defend all 5 positions that's not saying he can so until you have proof why tout it as fact.  We knew immediately that Rodman was special as rookie no one was saying in his 3rd year what Rodman can potentially be. Rodman was a lock down defender who defended every position on the court not just any players but the best of the best the ELITES, he was rebounding champ like 3 or 4 times.   You're crazy for even saying such nonsense Cool  facepalm  I doubt that right now Stanley is on par with Hunter.


And Stop Lying On Zeke
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Post  cool breeze on Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:08 am

Oracle wrote:Glen Davis is back, but in the G-League... wow.

Pistons sniffing around Bledsoe, with either Reggie & change, or Drummond as the bait? I might part with Reggie, but I'm not ready to give up on Drummond. However, with the way we're playing, do you futz with the chemistry now?

On the market... do we have any interest?
1.  Mario Hezonja, the Magic will make him unrestricted, was a 5th round draft pick
2.  Jahlil Okafor, same deal, unrestricted, but immediately available for the right price from the sixers
3. The perpetually available Hasheem Thabeet is available for damn near any price, LOL!

The three players mentioned who are available suck so bad it is amazing that anyone brought up their names.

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Post  cool breeze on Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:00 am

WTF wrote:
Oracle wrote:Would you give up Stanley and Reggie for Bledsoe? Of course I wouldn't move either Kennard or Ellenson, but Stanley is expendable, IMO.
http://hoopshype.com/2017/11/02/pistons-offered-reggie-jackson-1st-round-pick-for-suns-eric-bledsoe/ wrote:It’s unclear if the first-round pick would be enough to make an agreeable deal.

Phoenix can counter to ask for young players like Henry Ellenson, Luke Kennard or Stanley Johnson to work with the available cap space, though none of those options seem particularly likely.


I sure would and maybe New Orleans could be that 3rd team since they showed some interest in Reggie over the summer.   I'm just not sold on SJ as a starter at the SF position.  I could be wrong but I don't it. 

No way you give up Luke or Henry

Neither you or Oracle understand the trade value of Stanley Johnson. Zeke does and he is a huge supporter of Johnson and you both know where I stand. I stand with Zeke not anybody who wants to throw in Johnson on a trade for Bledsoe. Who is sucking up the payroll on this Pistons team? Is it the 20 year old Johnson who is on his rookie contract? I have heard of stupid but this idea is about the worst thing for the Pistons that I can imagine. Johnson has been one of our best players and most effective players this season. Zeke said that on NBA TV not me. He is the glue player who makes stops, gets deflections, grabs big rebounds and has also been making his share of shots lately. He could be the next Dennis Rodman relating to his ability to defend multiple positions. But it is just like Zeke said, a lot of fans look at those players who score 18 to 20 points a game and say boy that is what we need. And those players are not breaking even relating to how much they give up on defense compared to how many points they score. There is no arguing when it comes to fans making up their minds to players they like. I like Johnson not because he played at Arizona but because his potential is off the charts. But maybe you believe that there are a lot of players who are 20 years old who have more potential than Johnson. So be it. That is basketball. It is foolish to argue about who fans like or dislike. You both clearly do not like Johnson.

Bledsoe might be a better offensive player than Reggie but he is the same type of player. He is a shooter who has issues running an offense. the NBA is full of those players. I am not sure but isn't he in the last year of his contract? Why would you believe he wants to be in Detroit playing with AD? I would take an even swap Reggie for Bledsoe. No first round picks unless the Suns give up their first round pick. SVG is not an idiot. He will not give away Johnson as you have both suggested. The only reason SVG would consider trading Johnson was if he knew that Johnson wants out of Detroit and will not sign a new contract with the Pistons. He is in high demand in the West Coast. teams will be lined up to sign him. Remember how young he is and what he can do on the defensive end and what his overall potential is down the line when he is 22? Do you want to build a championship team or get another shooter who cannot defend a fly. We already have too many of those players. Our team is very soft outside of Bradley and Johnson.

If you want to trade someone how about Andre Drummond? What is he worth on the market today? I think his worth is more than this past summer. But if SVG waits until December, January or Feb. it might be too late as that is when AD likes to become a slacker. He was a slacker in the Laker game. What can anyone predict he will do in the future? And he is our franchise player. If I were to attend a Piston game, I would do it to watch Bradley, Johnson, Ellenson and Kennard. I would not pay a nickel to watch AD, RJ, JL Boban, or Bullock based on the last game. Although Bradley did not have a good game against the Lakers, he played great against Golden State and the Clippers. It is very difficult for any 2 guard or small forward to look good playing with Reggie Jackson unless Jackson has the ability to change and actually learn how to run half court offense. I would remove both AD and RJ from the team as soon as possible and start over with money to spend and look to next year's draft for a top tier pick. Trading for Bledsoe will do nothing positive for this Piston team.

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These two love the short stuff spinners :)

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Yep

Post  WTF on Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:03 pm

Oracle wrote:Would you give up Stanley and Reggie for Bledsoe? Of course I wouldn't move either Kennard or Ellenson, but Stanley is expendable, IMO.
http://hoopshype.com/2017/11/02/pistons-offered-reggie-jackson-1st-round-pick-for-suns-eric-bledsoe/ wrote:It’s unclear if the first-round pick would be enough to make an agreeable deal.

Phoenix can counter to ask for young players like Henry Ellenson, Luke Kennard or Stanley Johnson to work with the available cap space, though none of those options seem particularly likely.


I sure would and maybe New Orleans could be that 3rd team since they showed some interest in Reggie over the summer.   I'm just not sold on SJ as a starter at the SF position.  I could be wrong but I don't it. 

No way you give up Luke or Henry
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Stanky Johnson could go with Reggie...

Post  Oracle on Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:32 pm

Would you give up Stanley and Reggie for Bledsoe? Of course I wouldn't move either Kennard or Ellenson, but Stanley is expendable, IMO.
http://hoopshype.com/2017/11/02/pistons-offered-reggie-jackson-1st-round-pick-for-suns-eric-bledsoe/ wrote:It’s unclear if the first-round pick would be enough to make an agreeable deal.

Phoenix can counter to ask for young players like Henry Ellenson, Luke Kennard or Stanley Johnson to work with the available cap space, though none of those options seem particularly likely.
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Post  WTF on Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:26 pm

Oracle wrote:Glen Davis is back, but in the G-League... wow.

Pistons sniffing around Bledsoe, with either Reggie & change, or Drummond as the bait? I might part with Reggie, but I'm not ready to give up on Drummond. However, with the way we're playing, do you futz with the chemistry now?

On the market... do we have any interest?
1.  Mario Hezonja, the Magic will make him unrestricted, was a 5th round draft pick
2.  Jahlil Okafor, same deal, unrestricted, but immediately available for the right price from the sixers
3. The perpetually available Hasheem Thabeet is available for damn near any price, LOL!

I'm not so sure the chemistry is cemented this early that we need to commit to it.   Reggie didn't go before the season as I predicted but it's still early enough in the season to move him.  

While I have no issue with moving AD I just wouldn't do it for Bledsoe without having a plan for replacing him with a more than serviceable starting center. I don't think defensively or offensively we'll miss AD.  His stats look great but we just gave up 64 pts in the paint in that Laker loss and who can forget what Embiid did to him.  

Really I don't think SVG can afford to stand pat and ride this roster out an entire season.  Rewards don't come without Risks
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Standing On My 39 Wins

Post  WTF on Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:16 pm

I'm going to stand on my prediction of 39 wins though there may be some early indications I might be wrong.  IMO this team has all the physical tools that you can look at them easily want to say 50 wins no problems and no hesitations.  

It's never been the physical ability about this team that concerns me, it's been and remains my concern with the leadership of the team from both the bench and on the floor that gives me a great amount of concern.   These next 8-10 games will test my theory of this teams mental capacity to stay focus regardless to the amount of bad coaching it receives.  

Though this team sit at 5-3 early indications are that the team has learned nothing from last season to now.  Well these next 10 games will IMO give us the clearest of picture of where we all are with our predictions.   I keep harping about next level and IMO winning out this home stretch of the next 5 games will represent next level type **** I expect and look for.  

The failure to win all three on their recent west coast trip didn't say next level it said same ole Pistons.  A win over the Lakers was all but penciled before the trip was even made and after being gifted victories over both the Clippers and Warrior they failed to deliver against the Lakers what should have been the easiest win.   This is why I can't jump on the hype of them being 5-3 right now.  That loss said more about this team and the coaching than the rest of the games combined.  This team collective can't get out of it own way because they'll continue to shoot themselves out of games and the coaching just plain sucks.
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Post  Oracle on Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:04 pm

Glen Davis is back, but in the G-League... wow.

Pistons sniffing around Bledsoe, with either Reggie & change, or Drummond as the bait? I might part with Reggie, but I'm not ready to give up on Drummond. However, with the way we're playing, do you futz with the chemistry now?

On the market... do we have any interest?
1.  Mario Hezonja, the Magic will make him unrestricted, was a 5th round draft pick
2.  Jahlil Okafor, same deal, unrestricted, but immediately available for the right price from the sixers
3. The perpetually available Hasheem Thabeet is available for damn near any price, LOL!
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Got it Murph...

Post  Oracle on Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:56 pm

Murph wrote:Oracle, I'll move back up to 46 wins.  I lowered my prediction from 46 to 44, based on shaky PG play in the pre-season.  But through the first 8 games of the season, Jackson has played better than anyone could have hoped, and Ish, while inconsistent, has had some very nice games.  In addition to playing good, even though he's still not 100%, has been the surprise of him actually trying on defense. I hope he keeps that up. BTW, in that Laker game, Ish made at least 5 circus shots that the Lakers(and me) are still trying to figure out how they went in.

Of course, this could all change at any moment.  At any time, RJ's knee could begin to bother him again, or he could fall back into his old habits of dribbling the air out of the basketball, while the shot clock winds down.  But for now, PG play has been a surprise bright spot early in the season.   tb

Toliver and Galloway have also been pleasant surprises off the bench.

So I'll go with 46 wins and a 2nd round appearance.  Anything less will be disappointing, anything more, gravey.
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Post  cool breeze on Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:49 pm

Sparma wrote:Two more games to figure out where they're headed, given the mixed signals they're emitting.

Sounds like we agree about a lot of what we're seeing, Oracle.

I'd add one reservation, which may be controversial.  They're doing good things on D, but I'm still not convinced it's a very good defense.  They get back on D, keeping fast break points against down, and they team up well on D, and anticipate well, leading to lots of turnovers.  Still, I'm not so impressed by the physicality of their defense, or by the corresponding man-to-man ability (Stanley J's an exception, even though he couldn't match up with Porzingis).  Maybe I'm an antique in this respect, but I like to see dominating, aggressive, D of the sort the Bad Boys played.  I do understand you can't get away with a lot of that stuff anymore.  A few years ago, when Derrick Rose was MVP, my recollection is that LeBron could pretty well shut him down when defending against him.  Curry mentions Bradley as the best defender, but I didn't see him slow Steph down much.  But when LeBron defended against Curry in the playoffs a couple of years ago, Steph couldn't get much going.  Bradley's a good defender, but I see him more as a gadfly, creating problems with his positions (enabled by his energy) and his quick hands, than as a stifling, domineering, defender.

A football analogy: a defense can play smart, positioning itself well, doing a good job of teaming up, and causing lots of turnovers.  Those are terrific attributes.  That same defense can still have the ball run up the gut relentlessly, because it's being physically dominated.  That's what I fear for this D: that it will do a number of important things well, get some good results, but still be deficient in key ways.

Part of my concern is that even though I've heard multiple commentators praise AD and Reggie for improved defense, I'm still not sold on Dre's defensive positioning.  I saw part of that problem against Embiid and against Kanter.  My guess is that those watching the Lakers game saw something like that too.  Beyond that, I think that, insofar as there has been improvement, both AD and Reggie are candidates for regression, given their erratic attitudes, and the varying work efforts paired with that.

Oracle wrote:
Sparma wrote:They play a scrappy defense, they've got some veteran leadership (I think) in Bradley and Tolliver, they added several players with high basketball I.Q.s.  They've got a fiend on the offensive boards, a really effective PG combo (thus far), an emerging offensive star in Harris, a deep bench, and, I think, a pretty good coach.  A lot of different people have stepped up.  All good stuff.
This is the foundation I see as well.

Offense will come and go, but being scrappy and delivering the effort can be 100% in our control. We have had some of that in the starting lineup before, but now it's all over the bench this season.

I don't think SVG could have found a better replacement for KCP than Bradley. He's not that much better than KCP, but he is better, and while I can't quite quantify this, I have a lot more confidence in his shooting. It may be as simple as the fact that I like his stroke much more, I'm not sure, but I do have more confidence in him.

Tolliver has been amazing so far and I agree, both he and Bradley deliver a lot of veteran leadership to this team that has been badly needed.

I too am cautiously optimistic, but I have the same feeling that you have... right now everything is very fragile.

A bad stretch could cause this whole house of cards to tumble!

That's why winning early is so important to build the confidence we need to weather the storms that WILL come.

Here's hoping...

The Laker game exposed the problems Detroit had last season because for the first time this season Luke Walton actually created a game plan to show off those Piston weaknesses. I pointed out several examples yesterday in my posts relating to details that SVG should be aware of. I am not impressed with AD's defense at all. Against the Lakers he didn't get the ball when he should have received the ball inside because Reggie had his head down doing his thing that had nothing to do with trying to win. He was trying to show off. So when AD didn't get those passes that he would have received from any competent point guard who can see the floor and cares about mis matches, AD mailed it in with his defensive effort. He did not run from baseline to baseline hard and I don't think he will ever do that if the Pistons don't create their own style on offense instead of trying to play the same style of their opponent. Detroit does not have enough outstanding outside shooters to just jack up shots early in the shot clock. They do not have outstanding ball handlers either. And for sure they really do not use a real point guard as their starter to get the team organized and play a style that is capable of beating a specific opponent. You do not try to run like the Lakers run because the Pistons do not have a point guard like Ball or the athletes that the lakers have on their team. Other teams do not play the Lakers like the Pistons maybe with the exception of Golden State or OKC. The coaching staff and Reggie Jackson were responsible for this loss along with AD's failure to provide interior defense this team needed to overcome the ineptness of the coaching and the point guard play. Ish Smith played pretty good but the Pistons needed to slow the pace to beat the Lakers on offense not increase the pace. If Bradley had been playing point guard he would not have been that stupid to increase the pace. It was madness. And the coaching staff on the Pistons were ineffective in changing this critical adjustment that should have taken place. Whatever happened within the Piston organization relating to creating a strategy to win based on the opponent the team is playing. Do you play to the opponent's strength or their weaknesses? It was clear that SVG's staff did nothing to create a game plan based on how the Laker's style of play. The players also should be held accountable because they did not watch game film of the Lakers and what opponents of the Lakers did to have successful games against them. It was the blind leading the blind relating to Piston coaching and player performance. And Stanley Johnson had nothing to do with that loss. He barely ever touched the basketball. This was another funky stupid selfish exhibition of one on one basketball where the Piston team seldom ran one half court set play that they practiced in training camp. Reggie had had some success in previous games so it was going to be a game where Reggie would show up Ball. Ball made a fool out of Reggie and exploited his shoddy defense. And SVG never took Reggie off Ball all night long and put Johnson on Ball to bully him into making mistakes. That is how opposing team beat UCLA and Ball last season. He is the head of the snake. You can't put Pee Wee Herman on Ball and expect to be successful. You need to put your best defender on Ball. SVG had his head where the sun doesn't shine. And Zeke knew going into that game what would happen if somebody didn't put a leash on Reggie and for sure not allow him to defend Ball. The devil is in the details. I wish more posters would actually be objective when watching games like the Laker game. This type of nonsense went on for the entire last half of last season. There were two big factors that stood out showing off pitiful coaching skills of this Piston coaching staff. The first error was the Reggie = Ball Matchup where Luke Walton made a fool out of SVG. The other glaring error was the matchup Walton wanted with Randle vs Leuer which was a duel that Detroit was sure to lose if SVG dared to actually play Leuer in that game against Randle. Randle went at Leuer much like Arron Gordon did in the last game of the season when the pistons played Orlando. SVG seems to have learned nothing as to when Leuer can be effective and when he needs to sit on the bench. When will SVG start actually doing his job in game preparation? If SVG read this post he would know that I am right and that he has been exposed as a lazy ass with his day to day game strategy against specific opponents. He is just winging it from game to game matching up players without a damn thought in his head as to the impact that he is responsible for creating. Does any of this make sense for those of you who actually watched this game???? After about 5 minutes went by in the first quarter, I was saying to myself that Luke Kennard would for sure not fall into the idiotic run and gun game Detroit displayed against the Lakers where no offense was run at all for most of the game. Luke is not as dumb as Reggie. The Pistons had nothing to lose the way that game was going. But I forgot SVG has Kennard on the inactive list and is playing the guy with the past drug issues in the rotation. So much for player development this season. I expect that because Ellenson has not been making many shots he will soon be on the inactive list as well so Leuer can matchup with any future opponent much like he did against Randle. SVG will make him into a super star and force us to watch him as the player develops before our eyes. He is the chosen one. He is SVG's $10 million dollar man. Yet there is a place for Leuer on this roster. He can play against certain teams. But please SVG you were a damn idiot not to stop the bleeding when you put Leuer in to contain Randle. Details to count. Random comments prove nothing.

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