I wish Stuckey was half...

[Oracle]

The man Afflalo is!

Afflalo really impressed me last night!

He's so confident and smooth, and the way he dismantled KCP was a thing of beauty!

On draft night, I said that Afflalo was going to be the better player than Stuckey, only going on what I'd seen of Afflalo in the final 4's and knowing the strength of his conference. A wild guess, but pedigree sometimes matters!

On another subject, I didn't know this about Andrew Bynum.

"In his first seven NBA seasons, when he was drafted out of high school by the Los Angeles Lakers, Bynum was disobedient, dismissive -- yes, even under the Zen master Phil Jackson -- and imploded when Mike Brown coached him for a season there. Then, surprisingly, the Cavs thought he'd be a good risk with Brown running the show again. 

Wrong. Bynum's track record speaks for itself. Remember, after the Lakers won their second consecutive championship in 2010, Bynum delayed off-season surgery so he could go to the World Cup in South Africa. That resulted in Bynum missing the start of the season, the Lakers getting off to a mediocre start and contributed to their failed chance to three-peat. That season culminated with Bynum's clothesline of J.J. Barea in Game 4 of their 2011 playoffs series, when the Dallas Mavericks swept the Lakers en route to their first championship.

The following year, Brown replaced Jackson and Bynum was benched for shooting a three-pointer in a game. He was unapologetic about it afterward -- just as he was about blowing off surgery to go to the World Cup -- and said he'd do it again. Bynum then blew off a meeting with Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak. And in his only season as an All-Star in 2012, Bynum, who craved more attention playing in Kobe Bryant's shadow, didn't seem to want to be there in Orlando. He was about to become a free agent and was the subject of trade rumors. Instead of being savvy about it, he declared he didn't want to play for certain teams, and didn't hesitate to name them, because "they suck."" - Don't even think about Andrew Bynum in Washington

[Oracle]

IMO Joe would have been better served to draft Burke or Carter-Williams and done something else with the money he gave to both Bynum and Jennings.  While I believe Jennings was a better choice than Knight I simply don't think it was the right choice and that in addition to Josh Smith there should have been a play on another free agent signing for another PF or SF.  

Joe doesn't seem to think sh!t all the way through and often think in spurts.  Example if I going to sign Chauncey then I don't need Bynum then if I'm signing Chauncey then I'm taking Burke or Carter-Williams because it's cheaper and there's a greater chance that I have franchise PG in either selection.  Though Jennings right now is a better talent than both you will never see Burke or Carter Williams doing the dumb sh!t Jennings does.  

I love the pick up of Josh Smith but immediately after that with either Burke or Carter-Williams already in hand Joe next move should have been for anything but a PG.  Not resigning Bynum, not trading for Jennings while holding on to two expiring contracts that likely had greater value well before the season started and a sh!t load of teams clearly on a path to tanking. I ask why is CV still sucking up salary at this point?   Really if you think about this Knight, Burke, Singler and Stuckey under the guidance of Cheeks and Chauncey were just as good if not better.  Put Burke and Stuckey in with Josh, Moose and Andre and we have a nice starting unit then bring Knight, Middleton and Singler off the bench with Harrellson and Datome and you're all set with JJ and CV for spot minutes.

Not only does Joe have an issue with collecting and evaluating talent to properly balance a roster, he's a dumb ass when it comes to managing salaries because his dumb ass would still be sitting on the money he coughed up for Jennings and Bynum to go along with 3 expiring contracts going into next season.  

If we kept the suggested above roster this team would be well above .500 IMO and have better options to make a meaningful deal without giving up much.

Wise, you nailed a lot of sore points in this post!

I don't agree that Joe is a dumbass, tea leaves are easier to read in hindsight, but you do point out mistakes that would seem obvious at the time, and actually the way I think Joe was leaning until he outsmarted himself

[WTF]

Yes there needs to be a shakeup with the starters and Jorts/CV and Stuckey needs to be inserted and KCP and Moose need to come off the bench. Believe it or not they both defend far better than Moose and poses as threats beyond the acr. I wouldn't be oppose to starting both Singler and Stuckey either.

KCP needs to be given a green light to shoot at will, because as I said he's not a shooter he's a scorer and should be turn loose I think this kid can put up points if he's allow to put up shots. Moose has failed miserably as a PF and should be confined to playing only center. (I'm still for trading his ass)

[WTF]

IMO Joe would have been better served to draft Burke or Carter-Williams and done something else with the money he gave to both Bynum and Jennings.  While I believe Jennings was a better choice than Knight I simply don't think it was the right choice and that in addition to Josh Smith there should have been a play on another free agent signing for another PF or SF.  

Joe doesn't seem to think sh!t all the way through and often think in spurts.  Example if I going to sign Chauncey then I don't need Bynum then if I'm signing Chauncey then I'm taking Burke or Carter-Williams because it's cheaper and there's a greater chance that I have franchise PG in either selection.  Though Jennings right now is a better talent than both you will never see Burke or Carter Williams doing the dumb sh!t Jennings does.  

I love the pick up of Josh Smith but immediately after that with either Burke or Carter-Williams already in hand Joe next move should have been for anything but a PG.  Not resigning Bynum, not trading for Jennings while holding on to two expiring contracts that likely had greater value well before the season started and a sh!t load of teams clearly on a path to tanking. I ask why is CV still sucking up salary at this point?   Really if you think about this Knight, Burke, Singler and Stuckey under the guidance of Cheeks and Chauncey were just as good if not better.  Put Burke and Stuckey in with Josh, Moose and Andre and we have a nice starting unit then bring Knight, Middleton and Singler off the bench with Harrellson and Datome and you're all set with JJ and CV for spot minutes.

Not only does Joe have an issue with collecting and evaluating talent to properly balance a roster, he's a dumb ass when it comes to managing salaries because his dumb ass would still be sitting on the money he coughed up for Jennings and Bynum to go along with 3 expiring contracts going into next season.  

If we kept the suggested above roster this team would be well above .500 IMO and have better options to make a meaningful deal without giving up much.

[Oracle]

Do Joe and Gores think that Pistons fans are going to be happy with a 7th seed spot in the Eastern Conference Playoff with a final record of 36-46?

WE have got to start to turn this sh!t around, right f#ckin' now!

There are a sh!t load of fans that think that would be some great accomplishment.  Personally that what I find to be wrong with this team and how it's being managed by Joe because he know that he can get away with small meaningless doses of progress and the fan base will suck it up.  

These team should be playing a lot better than their record indicates but there is a large group of mislead fans that think this sh!t will magically click on it's own.  I refuse to take this attitude of settling as a lot of fans have and some on this forum as well because the team has sucked previous seasons so any progress is good progress and rest on the idea that it needs some time.  

A 7th seed in a weak ass conference with a crappy record against the West is nothing to be all gun-ho about.  The real accomplishment and signs of improvement would be a 3rd seed and record well above .500, anything less is a huge failure IMO and no fan should be applauding the bullshit we've been seeing.

While I understand that this team is young our starting unit has three veterans Moose 5th year, Josh 8th year and Jennings 5th year. They also have Stuckey, Bynum, JJ and Billups all seasoned veterans.  This team is young only in two areas KCP and Andre so this age thing is just another bullshit excuse considering 2 of the starters never played a college game but carry NBA experience of 5 years or more.  All 5 of those starters are Top 10 Draft Picks simply no excuse for the **** we see most nights.  

I won't be happy with a 7th seed because the East is so weak we could be a 3rd seed with last years roster.  

The Coach!

The only reason we have the 2nd youngest starting lineup in the NBA is because we start KCP, so young is an excuse unless that gets corrected, and that's on the coach!

But I don't see that as the problem!

1. Drummond may get schooled from time to time, but no matter what, he still always seems to put up a double/double on a nightly basis, that's consistency, especially for a young player. Not much of a problem here, even though defensively and offensively he has a lot to learn.

2. Jennings has been pretty consistent in doing what we need, and running the team efficiently, so I don't see him as being an issue!

3. KCP is right down the middle! Great defensively, except when faced with an extremely polished Arron Afflalo, but totally offensively challenged. Rookies that focus exclusively on one end of the floor, generally need another season to work on the other end. Right now, KCP is so focused on defense, he has no energy on offense, so he needs to be a specialist, not a starter(move in Stuckey or Singler?)... problem here!

4. Josh Smith has been fantastic lately, however, you can't have your "Star" player come up with a performance like last night! Facing a guy whose defense hoovers in the Monroe territory basically shut you down is inexcusable... this is a problem area to watch!

5. Monroe is really suffering this year! His failure to handle the PF position really causes problems for everybody else! The problem here is that Smith HAS to play the SF, we don't want him at the PF anymore until he ages! It's beginning to look like Monroe is truly a center, and we're causing the problem by playing him out of position! IMO, we want to keep him as a non-max player coming off the bench to spell Drummond, and get another(6'10-6'11) PF to start(JORTS?)! Huge problem here

The other way to go is by making some moves, and here is where both Wise and Seb have been correct! Joe will need to do something, or Cheeks will need to shake up the starting lineup... something's got to give!

There is also a bench problem! Bynum really hurts us, and sure, he scored a lot of points last night, but most of them came when we were well out of the game!

That's why simply moving JORTS and Stuckey or Singler into the starting lineup won't help as much since it weakens the bench! A move by Joe would yield much better results, preferably moving Bynum along with whatever else happens!

[cool breeze]

Do Joe and Gores think that Pistons fans are going to be happy with a 7th seed spot in the Eastern Conference Playoff with a final record of 36-46?

WE have got to start to turn this sh!t around, right f#ckin' now!

There are a sh!t load of fans that think that would be some great accomplishment.  Personally that what I find to be wrong with this team and how it's being managed by Joe because he know that he can get away with small meaningless doses of progress and the fan base will suck it up.  

These team should be playing a lot better than their record indicates but there is a large group of mislead fans that think this sh!t will magically click on it's own.  I refuse to take this attitude of settling as a lot of fans have and some on this forum as well because the team has sucked previous seasons so any progress is good progress and rest on the idea that it needs some time.  

A 7th seed in a weak ass conference with a crappy record against the West is nothing to be all gun-ho about.  The real accomplishment and signs of improvement would be a 3rd seed and record well above .500, anything less is a huge failure IMO and no fan should be applauding the bullshit we've been seeing.

While I understand that this team is young our starting unit has three veterans Moose 5th year, Josh 8th year and Jennings 5th year. They also have Stuckey, Bynum, JJ and Billups all seasoned veterans.  This team is young only in two areas KCP and Andre so this age thing is just another bullshit excuse considering 2 of the starters never played a college game but carry NBA experience of 5 years or more.  All 5 of those starters are Top 10 Draft Picks simply no excuse for the **** we see most nights.  

I won't be happy with a 7th seed because the East is so weak we could be a 3rd seed with last years roster.  

The people who run our government think we are all stupid so why wouldn't Gores and Dumars? They will build up the story line that this is a breakout season when Detroit makes the playoffs and gets their asses kicked in the first round. We all know better on this forum but many might believe it and be proud of the accomplishment. The Eastern Conference really sucks. Nobody should be going to most of the games unless they involve the top two teams. I think Mr. Gores is more interested in entertainment than creating a real basketball team. That is why he gave approval to sign Jennings and Bynum and to keep Stuckey and draft KCP instead of Burke. If I were the owner, I would have gone back and checked the fact that Joe Dumars gave away Affalo to protect this favorites at the time. Even though Budinger is injured and cannot play, nobody knew that would happen so any sane person would have not given away Budinger so as to protect a player like Daye. Daye was Joe's secret weapon of the future. Joe Dumars has been lazy in not doing the necessary work before drafting or signing free agents. Now he has a team that copies Joe's work ethic. Joe's players are not as good as the other players in the NBA who are kicking their asses. It has nothing to do with coaches. It has everything to do with the players on this team and Joe Dumars.

[cool breeze]

If you only looked at the stats from this last game one might believe that Bynum had a breakout game. Is this the story line Mo Cheeks and Joe Dumars will be trying to sell the fans? Piston players are just one on one players and that is it. They would be easy to guard for a high school team. Bynum got his points in the 4th quarter for the most part and he gave up as many or more points to Orlando they he scored. In the first half, Singler was completely shut out of the offense and he was open beyond the 3 point line on every possession. How would you feel if you were completely ignored by your teammates and the coaching staff did nothing? If you want to have an easier time of it on offense you need to reverse the basketball. However, the coaching staff didn't force any of the guards to make this change. Everything on the Piston's offense was played on the left side of the court. How easy is that for the Magic? Based on this game and several other horrible showings by the Pistons one might want to approach the Piston coaching staff like the Lions and blame everything on the coaches. It seems that almost everyone wants the Lions coaching staff replaced based on the theory that the coaches do not hold players accountable and do not get the players ready to play football. Well for those of us to sat through this last Piston game, wouldn't you say the same damn thing? The free throw shooting by Piston players had to almost set a record for misses. I watched Greg Monroe's release on his final miss at the free throw line and it was clear that he had no idea how to shoot a free throw correctly. Everything he did was wrong. So where are the coaches for this Piston team? I would be pissed off if I were a coach last night wouldn't you? Heads should roll shouldn't they? No way that will happen because this is a players league just like NFL football. Coaches have almost zero impact because players are not coachable. And our Piston players lead the list of flawed players who have never listened to any coach.

This is a team full of dysfunctional players at key positions. I can take the ups and downs of Jennings although last night really showed that he is not ready to lead any NBA team. The Piston big men are horrible. The big lineup is a joke. This is perhaps the worst defensive team in Piston history. Jason Maxiell should play ahead of both Drummond and Monroe if he were still on the team. Lack of basic effort is their downfall. But Piston guards are by far the worst group in the entire NBA.

Meanwhile the announcers from Orlando kept saying that Affalo is the model of a high end consistent player. We have no player on this team that you can say that about in a truthful way. Affalo hurt his ankle really bad but got up and kept playing. Stuckey would have been carried off the court and stayed out for two weeks. Affalo played and nobody could tell he was really hurting. He put the screws to Joe Dumars who is he real idiot that created this mess. Dumars has shown that he has zero ability to pick players that have any potential of winning anything. Did the owners watch that game? Are they pussies? if I were an owner, I would be mad as hell and wouldn't let go of this game because this game was a symbol of what this team is really all about. How could any GM pick such as horrible group of guards? It is amazing and frustrating for every Piston fans who cares about the team. Why would any fan decide to come to a Piston game after this game? To me the entire starting unit should have been benched at the end of the first half if not in the first quarter. The unit that included Bynum and Stuckey in the first half was pitiful. Those two players are so stupid when it comes to playing basketball that no coach should ever play them at the same time. Add Jennings to the list of players who needs one smart and stable guard to play with or all hell will break loose because of mental mistakes and lack of interest in playing defense. If only our leader, Joe Dumars, hadn't given away Affalo, we would have at least one smart hard working consistent guard on this team. Everything needs to be placed on Joe Dumars shoulders right now. He has caused a real mess for the past 5 years. It is time that the owners step up and fire him now.

[lemonpen]

A lot of coaches (Cheeks included) talk about "MAKING PLAYS".  
My interpretation of that is "doing some individual thing above and beyond that benefits the team".  
Is that how you guys see it ?  

Can an offense sustain itself on a philosophy of MAKING PLAYS.

I see it from both the perspective of what plays are being called and from an individual stand point of a player being able to create for themselves.  This applies to both ends of the floor, defensively when I think of our contending teams of the 80's & the more recent contending bunch.  These were great 4th quarter teams that were skilled at locking down teams coming up with the big play defensively.  I think coaches are referring to MAKING PLAYS from a defensive stand point something this group of Pistons suck at BIG TIME
I wish Cheeks would emphasize the D end, but in the post game interviews that come to mind he specifically praises what has happened on the offense.

Offensively we have only 3 players (Josh, Jennings and Stuckey) who want the ball during crunch time.  This is my biggest knock on Moose among the many I have with him.  

[WTF]

A lot of coaches (Cheeks included) talk about "MAKING PLAYS".  
My interpretation of that is "doing some individual thing above and beyond that benefits the team".  
Is that how you guys see it ?  

Can an offense sustain itself on a philosophy of MAKING PLAYS.

I see it from both the perspective of what plays are being called and from an individual stand point of a player being able to create for themselves. This applies to both ends of the floor, defensively when I think of our contending teams of the 80's & the more recent contending bunch. These were great 4th quarter teams that were skilled at locking down teams coming up with the big play defensively. I think coaches are referring to MAKING PLAYS from a defensive stand point something this group of Pistons suck at BIG TIME

Offensively we have only 3 players (Josh, Jennings and Stuckey) who want the ball during crunch time. This is my biggest knock on Moose among the many I have with him.

[lemonpen]

A lot of coaches (Cheeks included) talk about "MAKING PLAYS".
My interpretation of that is "doing some individual thing above and beyond that benefits the team".
Is that how you guys see it ?

Can an offense sustain itself on a philosophy of MAKING PLAYS.

[lemonpen]

Do Joe and Gores think that Pistons fans are going to be happy with a 7th seed spot in the Eastern Conference Playoff with a final record of 36-46?

WE have got to start to turn this sh!t around, right f#ckin' now!

There are a sh!t load of fans that think that would be some great accomplishment.  Personally that what I find to be wrong with this team and how it's being managed by Joe because he know that he can get away with small meaningless doses of progress and the fan base will suck it up.  

These team should be playing a lot better than their record indicates but there is a large group of mislead fans that think this sh!t will magically click on it's own.  I refuse to take this attitude of settling as a lot of fans have and some on this forum as well because the team has sucked previous seasons so any progress is good progress and rest on the idea that it needs some time.  

A 7th seed in a weak ass conference with a crappy record against the West is nothing to be all gun-ho about.  The real accomplishment and signs of improvement would be a 3rd seed and record well above .500, anything less is a huge failure IMO and no fan should be applauding the bullshit we've been seeing.

While I understand that this team is young our starting unit has three veterans Moose 5th year, Josh 8th year and Jennings 5th year. They also have Stuckey, Bynum, JJ and Billups all seasoned veterans.  This team is young only in two areas KCP and Andre so this age thing is just another bullshit excuse considering 2 of the starters never played a college game but carry NBA experience of 5 years or more.  All 5 of those starters are Top 10 Draft Picks simply no excuse for the **** we see most nights.  

I won't be happy with a 7th seed because the East is so weak we could be a 3rd seed with last years roster.  

Overall I agree 100%

Losses like last night are becoming a bit disturbing. The unevenness of our play & effort should be trending down instead of up. KPC may be hitting a rookie wall but almost everyone else should understand the demands of the game.

[WTF]

Do Joe and Gores think that Pistons fans are going to be happy with a 7th seed spot in the Eastern Conference Playoff with a final record of 36-46?

WE have got to start to turn this sh!t around, right f#ckin' now!

There are a sh!t load of fans that think that would be some great accomplishment. Personally that what I find to be wrong with this team and how it's being managed by Joe because he know that he can get away with small meaningless doses of progress and the fan base will suck it up.

These team should be playing a lot better than their record indicates but there is a large group of mislead fans that think this sh!t will magically click on it's own. I refuse to take this attitude of settling as a lot of fans have and some on this forum as well because the team has sucked previous seasons so any progress is good progress and rest on the idea that it needs some time.

A 7th seed in a weak ass conference with a crappy record against the West is nothing to be all gun-ho about. The real accomplishment and signs of improvement would be a 3rd seed and record well above .500, anything less is a huge failure IMO and no fan should be applauding the bullshit we've been seeing.

While I understand that this team is young our starting unit has three veterans Moose 5th year, Josh 8th year and Jennings 5th year. They also have Stuckey, Bynum, JJ and Billups all seasoned veterans. This team is young only in two areas KCP and Andre so this age thing is just another bullshit excuse considering 2 of the starters never played a college game but carry NBA experience of 5 years or more. All 5 of those starters are Top 10 Draft Picks simply no excuse for the **** we see most nights.

I won't be happy with a 7th seed because the East is so weak we could be a 3rd seed with last years roster.

[Go Stones!]

My opinion is that Joe D has a deal with any player that if they want a trade that they should not leak it out to the media but just come to him and he will get a decent return. Let's face it, when a player is disgruntled and cries to the media, both the team and the player loses. The player is labeled as a whiner and the team doesn't get good value out of him.

I think AA saw the favoritism with Stuckey as the 2nd coming of Billups, then he had Billups and RIP and Hunter and Mike James... He was just not going to crack the lineup any time soon. He demanded an ultimatum...trade me or play me. Joe traded him. It is the only way this makes sense. We know that AA is a hard worker, which is coveted (see CV). Joe has surrounded the team with men who work hard like Singler and JJ and Jorts and Bynum.

The only problem with the trade for a 2nd rounder is that that is ALL AA was worth at the time. A trade for a player wouldn't have helped us b/c he was making around 1Million a year, if that, on a rookie contract. I guess this is what happens when there are a bunch of all-stars with guys lined up after them to carry their jocks. Good for AA, good for Joe D...bad for Pistons.

I wonder what Joe D would do if he had to do it all over again.

[Sebastian]

Do Joe and Gores think that Pistons fans are going to be happy with a 7th seed spot in the Eastern Conference Playoff with a final record of 36-46?

WE have got to start to turn this sh!t around, right f#ckin' now!

[WTF]

I asked the question, "How can you beat Miami and Indiana and lose to a crappy team like Orlando?" This is how the members of the team responded:

Monroe: It is an enigma wrapped in a mystery encased in a sausage skin.
Smith: Bad stuff happens even to good teams.
Drummond: Anything is possible in the Magic Kingdom.
Pope: Totally illogical, Captain Kirk.
Jennings:  Stupid is as stupid does.
Stuckey: We can't handle the truth.
Bynum: It's just so hard playing defense every game.  We don't like it. It makes us feel yucky.
Jerebko: It's a Festivus miracle!  Now for the airing of the grievances and feats of strength.
Harrelson: Success is a drug that gives you a fat head.
Billups: Everything we know is wrong.
Datome:  In Italy we say, I came. I saw. I did not conquer.  I screwed up bigtime. Scusee.
Villanueva: A billion people in China don't give a rat's pitoot.
Wallace: Sometimes you get the bear. Sometimes the bear gets you.
Cheeks:  Oh, the horror!

And ...

T. Mitch: Cut me, cut me, Mick!
Siva: We did get cut. We are now members of the Mad Ants! Come on, let's go!

Hooper: This teams is like a box of chocolates you never know what you're going to get!

[Sebastian]

I asked the question, "How can you beat Miami and Indiana and lose to a crappy team like Orlando?" This is how the members of the team responded:

Monroe: It is an enigma wrapped in a mystery encased in a sausage skin.
Smith: Bad stuff happens even to good teams.
Drummond: Anything is possible in the Magic Kingdom.
Pope: Totally illogical, Captain Kirk.
Jennings:  Stupid is as stupid does.
Stuckey: We can't handle the truth.
Bynum: It's just so hard playing defense every game.  We don't like it. It makes us feel yucky.
Jerebko: It's a Festivus miracle!  Now for the airing of the grievances and feats of strength.
Harrelson: Success is a drug that gives you a fat head.
Billups: Everything we know is wrong.
Datome:  In Italy we say, I came. I saw. I did not conquer.  I screwed up bigtime. Scusee.
Villanueva: A billion people in China don't give a rat's pitoot.
Wallace: Sometimes you get the bear. Sometimes the bear gets you.
Cheeks:  Oh, the horror!

And ...

T. Mitch: Cut me, cut me, Mick!
Siva: We did get cut. We are now members of the Mad Ants! Come on, let's go!

[Fennis Dembo]

I asked the question, "How can you beat Miami and Indiana and lose to a crappy team like Orlando?" This is how the members of the team responded:

Monroe: It is an enigma wrapped in a mystery encased in a sausage skin.
Smith: Bad stuff happens even to good teams.
Drummond: Anything is possible in the Magic Kingdom.
Pope: Totally illogical, Captain Kirk.
Jennings:  Stupid is as stupid does.
Stuckey: We can't handle the truth.
Bynum: It's just so hard playing defense every game.  We don't like it. It makes us feel yucky.
Jerebko: It's a Festivus miracle!  Now for the airing of the grievances and feats of strength.
Harrelson: Success is a drug that gives you a fat head.
Billups: Everything we know is wrong.
Datome:  In Italy we say, I came. I saw. I did not conquer.  I screwed up bigtime. Scusee.
Villanueva: A billion people in China don't give a rat's pitoot.
Wallace: Sometimes you get the bear. Sometimes the bear gets you.
Cheeks:  Oh, the horror!

[Oracle]

Cheeks only calling timeouts once the Titanic is halfway under water!

Singler is the only Piston that knows how to cut to the basket!

No, and I mean no defense being played, our bigs getting dominated... again!

Josh Smith, matched up against a SF his size, and gets punked!

Drummond will bite on any fake in town! When will he learn to stay put and if the guy makes a shot, live with it, but biting on any fake that leads to an easy layup is always worse!

Monroe, at least has an excuse, even though it's not a good one! Physically he can't elevate to make anything around the rim! It's really hard watching a 6'11 player that can't get 1 inch off the ground to give himself a chance to make a shot!

KCP? Oh well, he's a rookie, but you keep hoping for the day that he picks up the team with good production when others are off!

Bynum? OMG, when can we get his ass traded!

Jennings is the only one of the starters doing his J-O-B!

[Oracle]

Afflalo is doing everything and anything he wants against KCP!

I mean it's so ugly, I have to turn away when Afflalo backs him down each and every time, and scores without fail!

It's about as bad as the way Howard schooled Dre!

[Oracle]

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One of rare times Josh Smith doesn't have size edge at 3 vs. ORL's Tobias Harris, 6-9, 235. Still expect Pistons to probe that matchup.

This is yet another good player going down, but it may help us get a very good seeding!

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If ATL loses Horford for season, or bulk of, team with grip on No. 3 spot in East behind Heat, Pacers will be pressed to hang on.

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Complete pectoral tear for Al Horford. He missed about 4 months with same injury 2 seasons ago.

[Oracle]

Good article, Oracle.  Thanks for that.  Part of my hope was that Stuckey would be moved from PG and that he'd no longer be treated as the pivot of team decisions.  Guess that part came true.

Patrick Hayes writes today at the Freep about Knight's improvement with Milwaukee.  He still could have quite a nice career.

That was a very good article, and not exclusively about Knight! I loved it because it highlighted something we've known since Bonzi Wells... we don't have a clue how to develop young talent!

It's a good read - Fact is, Detroit Pistons must learn to develop talent better

[Sparma]

Good article, Oracle. Thanks for that. Part of my hope was that Stuckey would be moved from PG and that he'd no longer be treated as the pivot of team decisions. Guess that part came true.

Patrick Hayes writes today at the Freep about Knight's improvement with Milwaukee. He still could have quite a nice career.

[Oracle]

Credit to you for admitting a mistake about the Gordon trade, Oracle.  We've all made them.  I've been hoping everyone has forgotten I said the Pistons had turned the corner when they drafted Knight.

At least you were on solid ground, see this - Brandon Knight was key to Cats run

He was amazing, and I didn't know that he had Harrelson on that team!

[Sparma]

Credit to you for admitting a mistake about the Gordon trade, Oracle. We've all made them. I've been hoping everyone has forgotten I said the Pistons had turned the corner when they drafted Knight.

[Oracle]

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