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Post  WTF on Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:39 pm

Oracle wrote:Secondly, while we could contend with 15 players that are hard working and team oriented, we'd likely get frustrated because they would be the Toronto Raptors. Good enough to be pesky, but not really good enough to beat the better teams. There's simply no substitute for TALENT!

Isn't this the exact kind of team that took us too the Finals in both 2004 and 2005 and ran off 7 or 8 ECF visits from 2002 to 2009?  I see some comparable pieces on the team right now to what we had during that stretch if used and coached properly.   

We shouldn't be solely relying on Reggie and Andre  the talent separation is that huge from the rest of the team Bradley and Harris aren't scrubs.
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Wise, you're 100% correct...

Post  Oracle on Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:52 pm

Wise wrote:Sadly neither are Reggie nor Andre franchise pieces certainly this might sound strange to many but I think the team would be actually better off without either of them.   While Andre could be franchise he has to be willing to take his game to the next 2 levels because he's behind at least 2 levels.  As far as Reggie goes it is what it is and it likely won't change.   

Until Reggie starts looking at past greats at his position, the present great and decides he want to be great as well we'll keep getting the same BS out of him every game.  Reggie is not a next level players.


Give me 15 players like Bradley, Harris, Ellenson and Kennard with a competent coach and I say they'll be contending right away and a lot quicker than if I had 15 Reggie's and Andre's coach by this clown we have now (SVG)
You make two points that I would like to follow up on.

First, you're right Andre absolutely could be a franchise player and I also agree he's about two levels behind. Two seasons ago I thought he had hit the next level, and that would make this year the 2nd level, but he regressed.

Reggie isn't likely to make it to franchise level now, his health has put him in a place that all we can hope for is just short of all star level, but that would be good enough if he followed advice similar to what you laid out.

Secondly, while we could contend with 15 players that are hard working and team oriented, we'd likely get frustrated because they would be the Toronto Raptors. Good enough to be pesky, but not really good enough to beat the better teams. There's simply no substitute for TALENT!

My comments earlier were focused on where we are today. We don't have a team of those guys you desire and that leaves us hoping for either the two most talented to "Get It", or the coach to make good decisions... it's a tough life Bro Smile

For once I'm glad we have the Lions  lol
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Just Saying

Post  WTF on Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:45 am

Oracle wrote:There's a question that never gets asked on this board, and it's the reason most don't believe that Reggie & Drummond are, by far, our best players.

Who on this team poses a matchup problem almost every night?

Reggie & Drummond are the ONLY 2 players on this team, that when healthy, can't be stopped regularly.

Morris was also a bad matchup, while not nightly, there were nights where he was hard to stop and teams had a problem with him.

Ditto KCP, he could dominate, just not regularly like Reggie & Drummond can.

Without those two, this team isn't going very far. Bradley & Harris are good, but they aren't franchise pieces at all.


Sadly neither are Reggie nor Andre franchise pieces certainly this might sound strange to many but I think the team would be actually better off without either of them.   While Andre could be franchise he has to be willing to take his game to the next 2 levels because he's behind at least 2 levels.  As far as Reggie goes it is what it is and it likely won't change.   

Until Reggie starts looking at past greats at his position, the present great and decides he want to be great as well we'll keep getting the same BS out of him every game.  Reggie is not a next level players.


Give me 15 players like Bradley, Harris, Ellenson and Kennard with a competent coach and I say they'll be contending right away and a lot quicker than if I had 15 Reggie's and Andre's coach by this clown we have now (SVG)
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Very intelligent response...

Post  Oracle on Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:38 pm

BallinD wrote:Oracle and Cool.  Posing a matchup problem is a good strategic question for a team, and it is something SVG seems to not care too much about, judging from his lineups.  It almost sounds like an ISO question, ala Melo, Marcus Morris and other ball dominant type players, but though SVG loves him some ISO, he does not seem disposed to exploiting matchups in real time.

1.  He rarely rides the hot hand, but helter-skelter style lets players bomb away whether hot or not, which would definitely undercut the matchup issue, which means you have to take advantage of the matchups by having the right players on the floor at the right time and in a position to take advantage of their matchup edge.

2. Nobody can matchup with Boban, probably moreso than Dre or Weggie, but does he give up more than he gets?  If this question is true for Boban, why is it not true for Weggie and Dre?  It can be argued by plus minus stats, that they may give up more than they get as well, undercutting the matchup argument. 
It is true for them and they've proved that they MORE than hold their own and come out on the plus size(44 wins does it). Problem for Boban is that he's never done it before, but if used correctly, he's a big win! 

3. So is the matchup the most important thing, or is it team ball on the court which is dynamic switching on D, and smart passing to get the best matchup, or mismatch in the moment.  In this case, it can be argued that ball movement of the type that we could have gotten out of the Rubio trade would be better than a "get mine" type talent like Weggie.  It could be also argued, with stats to back it up, that Ish produced that type of movement that Weggie does not, but is Ish a matchup problem for most teams?  It is true that a pass travels faster than a dribble, and the ball can touch three players and find an open man quicker than someone dribbling and probing.  If you look at Andre, he rarely used his matchup talent to take advantage of smaller players because he would fadeaway hook shot, instead of go at the defender, chest-to-chest to take advantage of his strength, his height, his leaping ability, etc., perhaps from fear of getting fouled, thus perhaps negating his presumed matchup advantage.  And so on. Good point, team ball and movement is a SOLID way to create mismatches in one form or another, but it's limited as I'll show later.

4. It might be that this matchup idea is a proposition that is less nuanced than the reality of the ball on the court with 10 players who pass and dribble to create matchup mismatches on the floor in the heat of the moment.  Necessary, but not sufficient.
If you look at the successful teams today, the goal is to win as many matchups as possible, the team that wins the most matchups is crowned as champion. Team ball isn't something good teams need to talk about, it's taken for granted that's the way they will play. The fact that we discuss it so much pretty much tells you where we are.

Team ball alone can only get you so far, at some point the talent has to come close to or exceed the opponents talent(Look no further than the last finals).

However, team ball is the best option for us if Reggie/Dre are not the force they were two seasons ago, but we'll see how that goes.

IMO, Ish is 10 times the PG some think Bradley or Kennard will ever be, and any hope of team ball without Reggie should go through him. 

But team ball is built on chemistry, and we have none on this team yet. It's harder to get than people realize and some here think it will magically appear. I hope so, but I've rarely seen it happen, but it did in Boston with their big 3 and Rondo at an amazing pace, so there is some hope.
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Moving The Needle With Matchups

Post  BallinD on Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:12 pm

Oracle and Cool.  Posing a matchup problem is a good strategic question for a team, and it is something SVG seems to not care too much about, judging from his lineups.  It almost sounds like an ISO question, ala Melo, Marcus Morris and other ball dominant type players, but though SVG loves him some ISO, he does not seem disposed to exploiting matchups in real time.

1.  He rarely rides the hot hand, but helter-skelter style lets players bomb away whether hot or not, which would definitely undercut the matchup issue, which means you have to take advantage of the matchups by having the right players on the floor at the right time and in a position to take advantage of their matchup edge.

2. Nobody can matchup with Boban, probably moreso than Dre or Weggie, but does he give up more than he gets?  If this question is true for Boban, why is it not true for Weggie and Dre?  It can be argued by plus minus stats, that they may give up more than they get as well, undercutting the matchup argument.    

3. So is the matchup the most important thing, or is it team ball on the court which is dynamic switching on D, and smart passing to get the best matchup, or mismatch in the moment.  In this case, it can be argued that ball movement of the type that we could have gotten out of the Rubio trade would be better than a "get mine" type talent like Weggie.  It could be also argued, with stats to back it up, that Ish produced that type of movement that Weggie does not, but is Ish a matchup problem for most teams?  It is true that a pass travels faster than a dribble, and the ball can touch three players and find an open man quicker than someone dribbling and probing.  If you look at Andre, he rarely used his matchup talent to take advantage of smaller players because he would fadeaway hook shot, instead of go at the defender, chest-to-chest to take advantage of his strength, his height, his leaping ability, etc., perhaps from fear of getting fouled, thus perhaps negating his presumed matchup advantage.  And so on.

4. It might be that this matchup idea is a proposition that is less nuanced than the reality of the ball on the court with 10 players who pass and dribble to create matchup mismatches on the floor in the heat of the moment.  


Oracle wrote:There's a question that never gets asked on this board, and it's the reason most don't believe that Reggie & Drummond are, by far, our best players.

Who on this team poses a matchup problem almost every night?

Reggie & Drummond are the ONLY 2 players on this team, that when healthy, can't be stopped regularly.

Morris was also a bad matchup, while not nightly, there were nights where he was hard to stop and teams had a problem with him.

Ditto KCP, he could dominate, just not regularly like Reggie & Drummond can.

Without those two, this team isn't going very far. Bradley & Harris are good, but they aren't franchise pieces at all.
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Post  Oracle on Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:33 pm

I guess we see different things, but if you're right, there must be a massive conspiracy by the NBA to hide all of these great things you see in Harris & Bradley, two dudes that have been in the league for some time and never sniffed a single all star game, but they make you top list. I'll concede that they're underrated, but they aren't that good either.

Well, all I can say is that games are coming, and I expect to see the good players step up in the weak east. 

I only see one player beyond Dre & RJ that could be a matchup problem, and that's only if he can get his act together... Stanley Johnson. He's got all of the tools but he's put them together like a Frankenstein Monster, the pieces don't fit yet.

Sadly, unless Kennard blows up, he's going to be able to open a wood supply shop from the splinters in his ass. SVG has telegraphed damn near every excuse in the book for why he's not going to play Kennard, and if we're winning with the vets, you can take that to the bank.
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Re: FORUM

Post  cool breeze on Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:55 pm

Oracle wrote:There's a question that never gets asked on this board, and it's the reason most don't believe that Reggie & Drummond are, by far, our best players.

Who on this team poses a matchup problem almost every night?

Reggie & Drummond are the ONLY 2 players on this team, that when healthy, can't be stopped regularly.

Morris was also a bad matchup, while not nightly, there were nights where he was hard to stop and teams had a problem with him.

Ditto KCP, he could dominate, just not regularly like Reggie & Drummond can.

Without those two, this team isn't going very far. Bradley & Harris are good, but they aren't franchise pieces at all.

Oracle I am not so sure your statement is correct relating to RJ and AD being the only two players who can't be stopped by NBA opponents. RJ was on fire two years ago in the last 3 minutes of regular season games. In playoff situations opponents would zero in on RJ and make him an even bigger liability on defense and would create a defense to stop Reggie in crunch time if the Pistons depended on such a lame offensive system next time around. Last season RJ was a liability on both ends of the floor. In match ups with really good teams when RJ was at his best, the Pistons were an easy out featuring him as the one man show. But he was amazing with his ability to get shots up against pressure around the rim two years ago. Based on last season, RJ should be starting at ground zero and be forced to earn every minute he plays. But my bet is that SVG will base RJ's playing time on his performances two years ago which isn't fair to the other players who can play point guard. One reporter who pushes RJ's upside decided to poke holes in the idea that Bradley would be the best choice at starting point guard. It is true that early in Bradley's career one could say he needed to improve his ball handling. But over the past 3 years, Avery has become an outstanding ball handler at least from the time that I have watched him play. Bradley is a better all around athlete and has a higher basketball IQ. He well on both ends of the floor too. That is what this team needs out of a floor leader. We no longer need hot dogs.

I never knew that on a night to night basis AD was a NBA player that caused match up problems when he was on offense. He sure could get his share of offensive rebounds but AD has never been a solid go to type offensive player unless a team wants to depend on his 8 foot baseline hook shot. AD is much like RJ with the exception that RJ did two years ago show some offensive talent in critical moments. AD has not been able to crack the lineup in crunch time yet after 5 seasons. He is such a liability on defense and at the foul line that AD just cannot be trusted by even SVG who has blinders on. Talk about matchup problems relating to AD. Other teams always have the advantage when their center goes up against AD. Two examples I have in my memory bank are Davis and Gortat. Why AD always looks like a pick up player on a 10 day contract when he plays Gortat is amazing to me. Gortat just knows AD cannot guard any center in the league who has half a brain. He always gets whatever he wants against AD. But the worst matchup problem of all for any Piston player is AD against Anthony Davis. I swear that Davis could average 85 points a game if his team allowed Davis to play an entire game against the Pistons. He can drive on AD whenever he feels like it and get a layup. He can make that turn around move 6 feet from the basket and have AD on his heals. He can consistently hit his jump shot from free throw line and 3 feet back. AD never extends to the free throw line against him because he knows that Anthony Davis will then drive on him.

Based on last season at least I learned that AD hadn't learned one damn thing about playing defense the right way. Now he is 30 pounds lighter but will he play smarter? Is that possible? To me that is what AD needs to prove to Piston fans. He needs to show that he is not a low basketball IQ player on defense. And AD should use most of his energy on the defensive end where he is needed most. He should not try to average double figures unless those points come from his amazing offensive rebounding skill set.

Who will be the bigger match up problem for opposing teams this season?
Not AD or RJ but rather Avery Bradley and Tobias Harris if they can stay healthy. Those two players to me are gifted physically and mentally and they are in amazing shape. If Bradley doesn't end up playing point guard by December I will be convinced that SVG is serious about winning. It will be about playing out his bad contracts. It could be that SVG is not dumb and perhaps he will insist on both guard positions being used to initiate the offense. There is no reason why this team needs a designated point guard. The team has the talent at the point guard position to take turns in that role of dribbling the ball up the court and making the first pass. Hopefully the days of RJ dribbling up the court and shooting it or passing it to AD are over. I hope to see action on both wings with screening and cutting and the ball going to the open man at the right time. I have my doubts that RJ can do that? And there are bigger doubts that RJ can hold his own on defense.

I wonder who will guard Love on this Piston team now that he will be playing center. Will it be Stanley Johnson? Leuer and Harris had their issues playing Love when he was at power forward. AD will get his ass kicked trying to play Love. So who starts for the Pistons when they play Cleveland?

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I hope Reggie gets better soon, because...

Post  Oracle on Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:15 pm

There's a question that never gets asked on this board, and it's the reason most don't believe that Reggie & Drummond are, by far, our best players.

Who on this team poses a matchup problem almost every night?

Reggie & Drummond are the ONLY 2 players on this team, that when healthy, can't be stopped regularly.

Morris was also a bad matchup, while not nightly, there were nights where he was hard to stop and teams had a problem with him.

Ditto KCP, he could dominate, just not regularly like Reggie & Drummond can.

Without those two, this team isn't going very far. Bradley & Harris are good, but they aren't franchise pieces at all.
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Well Here We Go Again...Try Thinking OUt of the Box

Post  BallinD on Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:08 pm

So here we are at the point last season where we knew Reggie was not ready, but we were counting on Stan and his staff to gingerly get him ready, to go ASAP.  Now the new ASAP this year is the beginning of the season.  Can they do it?  Should they even try???

Or should we try think out of the box this time.  Let's try it as a thought experiment.

Can we see what a lineup looks like with Avery on the ball (pg) and Kennard, Bullock or even Galloway off the ball. (no more of this SJ as shooting Guard please  facepalm)  

Can we see if between Bradley and Kennard, who both are set up as secondary ball handlers, this duo can work the magic of two secondary ball handlers are better than one ball-dominant gimp??? Shocked



Oracle wrote:You're just unlucky!!!

http://www.massagetherapy.com/articles/index.php/article_id/1858/Adductor-Muscle-Tendon-Injuries wrote:A strained adductor muscle or tendon can be a tenacious, enduring injury, causing persistent pain in the inner thigh. If a person feels pain high up near the groin, he or she has injured the tendon of one of the four primary adductor muscles: the gracilis, adductor longus, adductor brevis, or adductor magnus. If the pain is toward the mid-thigh, the muscle fibers are injured. Pain in both places indicates damage to both tendon and muscle fibers. 
Crap like this happens when you're over compensating for another injury, his knee problem.

But I agree with most here, SVG isn't just unlucky he's sort of bad at a lot of things, too many of them to be considered one of the best coaches in this league. I'd rate him about average.
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SVG, as Michael told Moe Green...

Post  Oracle on Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:25 pm

You're just unlucky!!!

http://www.massagetherapy.com/articles/index.php/article_id/1858/Adductor-Muscle-Tendon-Injuries wrote:A strained adductor muscle or tendon can be a tenacious, enduring injury, causing persistent pain in the inner thigh. If a person feels pain high up near the groin, he or she has injured the tendon of one of the four primary adductor muscles: the gracilis, adductor longus, adductor brevis, or adductor magnus. If the pain is toward the mid-thigh, the muscle fibers are injured. Pain in both places indicates damage to both tendon and muscle fibers. 
Crap like this happens when you're over compensating for another injury, his knee problem.

But I agree with most here, SVG isn't just unlucky he's sort of bad at a lot of things, too many of them to be considered one of the best coaches in this league. I'd rate him about average.
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SVG Sucks

Post  Murph on Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:14 pm

So I was looking at the box score of the Charlotte Hornets game this morning, and it struck me, do you realize Dwight Howard is still only 31 years old? That means Van Gundy ran the future HOFer out of Orlando at the absolute prime of his career at the age of 26, after 6 straight All Star appearances.

Since then, Orlando has experienced 6 losing seasons in a row, during which time they've averaged 26 wins a season. And there is no end in sight to the misery in Orlando.

So please tell me again why was Van Gundy qualified to be President, GM and Head Coach of the Pistons?

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Waiting for the Season

Post  BallinD on Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:21 pm

Zach Lowe LEAGUE Pass Rankings
Zach Lowe on the Pistons

So it seems one of the league's top analysts, who is usually insightful and accurate, doesn't see much change, improvement, new scheme stuff, breakout players in Detroit Land. Well, Damn!!! More of the Same???
18. DETROIT PISTONS (30)

It seemed like the over-choreographed Pistons ran one of two sets on every possession: high pick-and-rolls with Reggie Jackson and Ish Smith, or plays on which Kentavious Caldwell-Pope zoomed into a handoff at the left elbow.

There was no room for freelancing, in part because the Pistons lack playmakers savvy enough to freelance. Avery Bradley is a better shooter than Caldwell-Pope, and a hair better driving and dishing, but he doesn't up the playmaking quotient much. Stanley Johnson has shown flashes, and Detroit will give him every chance to earn the starting small forward spot. The frontcourt rotation will evolve all season.???

Detroit will be more watchable if Reggie Jackson and Andre Drummond, both healthy and presumably motivated, get back to wrecking stuff on the pick-and-roll. It's old-fashioned and predictable, but a spread pick-and-roll -- even with blah shooting around it -- can do damage if the central actors are dynamic. Jackson and Drummond did good work in 2015-16 before sputtering last season.

Nobody does shoulder-sagging agony like Van Gundy. When a play goes wrong, he grimaces like an artist watching someone deface his painting. I would watch a Stan Cam.

Also: UNLEASH THE BOBAN. I am sick of hearing how he dominates in practice, and watching him pile up ungodly numbers in garbage time. Let's see what he can do with real minutes.

The court and uniforms are snazzy, and George Blaha is a legend on play-by-play. Long guns off the high glass forever.
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"Pistons still feel like vistors in home arena" Excuses for loosing already?

Post  deusXango on Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:41 am

WTF wrote:
Okay all the right things are being said but I won't be convinced until I actually see it first hand.  If Andre is renewed and committed as he claims then what we won't see from him this season is a bunch of games off and all that BS Pouting he does when yanked from games.   Okay so he has the surgery to correct his breathing, he lost 30 pounds but has he improved defensive and what of his horrid FT shooting. Seeing is believing.

Okay Reggie gets the all clear but I am far less optimistic than I am about Andre that he has change or will change.  I'm still say that Reggie will be traded before the season starts.  That if SVG truly believes all the BS he's been spouting off he has to find a means of getting both Kennard and Ellenson on the floor for consistent PT if this team is truly committed to getting to the next level.
Stan Van Gundy is one helluva politician, con artist, and snake oil salesman, all rolled into one. I join Wise in waiting for the pudding to yield the proof. After Mo Cheeks & John Loyer...a couple of years of "Lil Larry" Frank, preceded by a lost and stumbling John Kuester, the hiring of Van Gundy gave hope that the futility was over, particularly with the power he was given, but damn if his three years here his winning average is less than Michael Curry's lone season as Pistons coach. MICHAEL CURRY! Who in their right mind would call Michael Curry a great coach? His record as a Pistons coach says he's not, but he outperformed Stan Van Gundy. I've got to see something this year, not hear about it.
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Stuff This Morning

Post  WTF on Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:21 pm

First things first how freaking crazy is this world becoming 50 people dead 200 injured in Vegas shooting.   Seriously people somewhere we lost our senses that we've become so disconnected with valuing life.  It's only going to get worse if we don't find a reason, a means and a way to just love each other real soon.   You don't have to subscribe to a religion, a faith or a cause just to a idea or realization that we're all human and deserving of love and compassion. 

Like it or not we are Our Brother Keepers, We're All One !!!!!



Okay all the right things are being said but I won't be convinced until I actually see it first hand.  If Andre is renewed and committed as he claims then what we won't see from him this season is a bunch of games off and all that BS Pouting he does when yanked from games.   Okay so he has the surgery to correct his breathing, he lost 30 pounds but has he improved defensive and what of his horrid FT shooting. Seeing is believing.

Okay Reggie gets the all clear but I am far less optimistic than I am about Andre that he has change or will change.  I'm still say that Reggie will be traded before the season starts.  That if SVG truly believes all the BS he's been spouting off he has to find a means of getting both Kennard and Ellenson on the floor for consistent PT if this team is truly committed to getting to the next level.  

Lions should be sitting 4-0 but I'm cool with 3-1. If they can go 3-1 every 4 games I'm happy that would put us 12-4 at season end.  I think they can do it! Smell like Home Field, Bye Week, and 2nd Round of playoff.
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Re: FORUM

Post  cool breeze on Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:18 pm

Sparma wrote:Thanks for your responses, Cool and Oracle.

It'd be interesting to see how a more free market would play itself out, but it's clear that the current system's got big problems, especially related to the Detroits of the league.  I wonder if some of the top of top guys (those you mention, Oracle, like LeBron, Durant, and Curry) might be willing take a low offer, and just enjoy their endorsement deals.  You hear of Brady accepting lower pay (at some point) but has that happened at all in the NBA?  I know some lesser/ aging stars have taken low deals (like Ray Allen).  I guess there'd be big player union pressure against that happening.  So far, there hasn't been much incentive for the superstars to manipulate the system by cutting into their own deal because they've been able, along with their agents, to form super teams anyway, but in the new system SVG proposes, you might see some weird things happen.  Maybe a bunch of rookies (sans draft) would be willing to sign cut rate deals to play with the Lakers?

Can't see either of SVG's proposals going through.  

Wish he were such an innovative boundary pusher when it comes to our own tactics!!  I'd like to see SVG being the Stoic focusing on what's in his control rather than outside of his control than the speculative (and impractical) visionary!

btw, I see Drummond as getting around what he would in a more open market, where LeBron and Durant would get maybe twice that, and still be underpaid (but you'd need to be able to put a team around them, with a cap).

The European soccer market's gone berserk, especially this past summer, with Brazilian superstar Neymar going to Paris for $263 mil.  There are "fair play" regulations, but they have little bite, so that gives you a sense of what a more free market system looks like.  And parity's not a byproduct, contra SVG! (although minnow Leicester City did miraculously manage to win the English title a couple of seasons ago going up against financial giants.)


Oracle wrote:Excellent post Sparma, you summed it up better than I tried to do, and covered all of the important bases.

However, you read my mind on SVG's calling to remove the draft, that's just plain crazy, and would lead to ridiculous dynasties in the major markets, but removing the artificial MAX salaries would do a world of good for the league.

It would guarantee that guys like LeBron, Curry, Durant, etc., would get the top dollar they deserve and guys like KCP(who deserved a raise), would get more modest raises like the one SVG offered him. It was the crazy MAX system that makes players think that good offers are trash(although some people will continue to blame players for a corrupt system).
Sparma wrote:Along with standing reservations, I've got hope for SVG going into this season, based in part on what I think I've been hearing from him that he'll:
a) emphasize distributing the ball, using multiple ball handlers.
b) stress getting the ball to a variety of shooters in optimal situations, paired with placing less emphasis on pick and roll.  
c) use a longer rotation, using more situational subbing.
d) give increased opportunities to young players, like Kennard.
e) continue to emphasize D, with increased prospects for success, partly due for a reinvigorated Dre.

Tis the season for hope!

ESPN says SVG calls for doing away with the draft (> no tanking) and max salaries (> harder to form super teams).  I think he's got a point about max salaries.  If markets, rather than a created ceiling, dictated the highest salaries, it'd be harder to collect superstars.  

The crazy Neymar deal was something I thought about after responding to your post Sparma. Amazing how you brought that into today's entry. Guaranteed contracts for players playing professional team sports will never go away. When will middle class fans start pulling back from it all as the prices keep going up and the games become more one sided as in the NBA now? How many middle class fans can attend one Laker game if tickets were available? Television advertising is dependent on the middle class or middle upper class spenders. Guaranteed salaries and the high amount of regular season games needed to make things work financially all factor into the final product that is getting worse each season. There were so many mindless minutes played throughout the league where blowouts were created in the first quarter. Imagine parents taking their 3 or 4 kids to one Piston basketball game last season to witness what happened to the home team in the first and third quarters of most of their games in the last half of the season. Will they ever come back? The Visa card with all those charges will not be forgotten and the drive home after watching dull uninspired basketball from the Piston players along with mindless coaching does have an impact. I personally enjoy going to professional tennis matches much more than an NBA regular season game. You can watch the professional men and women on the practice courts. They are fully focused knowing that their performance when their next match comes up will not allow for any slacking. Meanwhile, some NBA players can sit back and chuckle knowing that they can give minimum effort for perhaps half of their games during a season. Because the NBA has so many games, players need to fake it to physically make it through a complete season without a lot of physical issues. I would like to see a reduction losing three NBA teams and then placing a limit on the amount of games any one team can play within a month say perhaps 12 to 13 games max. The games would be much more spirited and fans would enjoy a more exciting experience. But the way things are going all big time professional sporting events regardless of the quantity will cost too much for the normal citizen. Will watching on television be enough to keep the bond fans have with professional sports?

Good reports today about the Pistons first week of practice. Hopefully the coach will be playing fair when he decides on who plays and how many minutes each guy will get. Go Henry!

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Post  BallinD on Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:35 am

LINK Ben and Draymond

It is touching to hear of Draymond's relationship with Big Ben, but never a word  about Dre's relationship with him or any of our legends or for that matter, anyone on the current team.  That Hurts!

I can assume it is SVG's arrogance..."I'll do it my way, dammit.  We have Aaron Gray."  Kuester Who???????

But then I have to remember Dumars never got any of the Bad Boys back here to do anything of substance with the team so it is not just Stupid Van Gundy, but also Fat Joe.  Joe  

Hoping Stanley Johnson can hop on some of that old Motown Mojo.  I hope Bradley will somehow help him, but it still begs the question, Why can't we have any of our legends associated with this team.  Well, hell, maybe this team is not worthy of that, but it sure rankles.  We kicked Sheed off the staff and never looked back.  Color me angry, frustrated, embarrassed.  SMH.facepalm facepalm

EXCERPT: “If you’re not going to put in the effort, your size is not going to take you so far,” Wallace said. “As long as you go out there and grind and go hard, good things will continue to happen to you.”

As good things continued to happen to Green, he received mixed praise and criticism on how he played. He won praise for his fiery emotion jumpstarting his team, while overwhelming his opponents. He sparked criticism on how that emotion could derail his own focus. Instead of telling Green to calm down, Wallace explained why others should calm down about his play.

“I’d rather have a guy that I carry to a fight and have to pull him back than a guy that I carry to the fight and I always have to push him,” Wallace said. “I tell him to go out there and play hard and wear your emotions on your sleeve. You’re supposed to be emotionally connected to the game. When your team needs you to fall back or your coaching staff needs you to fall back, they’re going to pull you back a little bit.”

Soon enough, Green shared his emotions about Wallace. He wrote an editorial in the Detroit Free Press on Jan. 15 2016 about what Wallace meant to him growing up. A day later, Green witnessed Wallace’s No. 3 jersey retirement when the Warriors visited the Pistons.
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Post  Sparma on Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:36 pm

Thanks for your responses, Cool and Oracle.

It'd be interesting to see how a more free market would play itself out, but it's clear that the current system's got big problems, especially related to the Detroits of the league. I wonder if some of the top of top guys (those you mention, Oracle, like LeBron, Durant, and Curry) might be willing take a low offer, and just enjoy their endorsement deals. You hear of Brady accepting lower pay (at some point) but has that happened at all in the NBA? I know some lesser/ aging stars have taken low deals (like Ray Allen). I guess there'd be big player union pressure against that happening. So far, there hasn't been much incentive for the superstars to manipulate the system by cutting into their own deal because they've been able, along with their agents, to form super teams anyway, but in the new system SVG proposes, you might see some weird things happen. Maybe a bunch of rookies (sans draft) would be willing to sign cut rate deals to play with the Lakers?

Can't see either of SVG's proposals going through.

Wish he were such an innovative boundary pusher when it comes to our own tactics!! I'd like to see SVG being the Stoic focusing on what's in his control rather than outside of his control than the speculative (and impractical) visionary!

btw, I see Drummond as getting around what he would in a more open market, where LeBron and Durant would get maybe twice that, and still be underpaid (but you'd need to be able to put a team around them, with a cap).

The European soccer market's gone berserk, especially this past summer, with Brazilian superstar Neymar going to Paris for $263 mil. There are "fair play" regulations, but they have little bite, so that gives you a sense of what a more free market system looks like. And parity's not a byproduct, contra SVG! (although minnow Leicester City did miraculously manage to win the English title a couple of seasons ago going up against financial giants.)


Oracle wrote:Excellent post Sparma, you summed it up better than I tried to do, and covered all of the important bases.

However, you read my mind on SVG's calling to remove the draft, that's just plain crazy, and would lead to ridiculous dynasties in the major markets, but removing the artificial MAX salaries would do a world of good for the league.

It would guarantee that guys like LeBron, Curry, Durant, etc., would get the top dollar they deserve and guys like KCP(who deserved a raise), would get more modest raises like the one SVG offered him. It was the crazy MAX system that makes players think that good offers are trash(although some people will continue to blame players for a corrupt system).
Sparma wrote:Along with standing reservations, I've got hope for SVG going into this season, based in part on what I think I've been hearing from him that he'll:
a) emphasize distributing the ball, using multiple ball handlers.
b) stress getting the ball to a variety of shooters in optimal situations, paired with placing less emphasis on pick and roll.  
c) use a longer rotation, using more situational subbing.
d) give increased opportunities to young players, like Kennard.
e) continue to emphasize D, with increased prospects for success, partly due for a reinvigorated Dre.

Tis the season for hope!

ESPN says SVG calls for doing away with the draft (> no tanking) and max salaries (> harder to form super teams).  I think he's got a point about max salaries.  If markets, rather than a created ceiling, dictated the highest salaries, it'd be harder to collect superstars.  
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Post  Oracle on Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:03 pm

Excellent post Sparma, you summed it up better than I tried to do, and covered all of the important bases.

However, you read my mind on SVG's calling to remove the draft, that's just plain crazy, and would lead to ridiculous dynasties in the major markets, but removing the artificial MAX salaries would do a world of good for the league.

It would guarantee that guys like LeBron, Curry, Durant, etc., would get the top dollar they deserve and guys like KCP(who deserved a raise), would get more modest raises like the one SVG offered him. It was the crazy MAX system that makes players think that good offers are trash(although some people will continue to blame players for a corrupt system).
Sparma wrote:Along with standing reservations, I've got hope for SVG going into this season, based in part on what I think I've been hearing from him that he'll:
a) emphasize distributing the ball, using multiple ball handlers.
b) stress getting the ball to a variety of shooters in optimal situations, paired with placing less emphasis on pick and roll.  
c) use a longer rotation, using more situational subbing.
d) give increased opportunities to young players, like Kennard.
e) continue to emphasize D, with increased prospects for success, partly due for a reinvigorated Dre.

Tis the season for hope!

ESPN says SVG calls for doing away with the draft (> no tanking) and max salaries (> harder to form super teams).  I think he's got a point about max salaries.  If markets, rather than a created ceiling, dictated the highest salaries, it'd be harder to collect superstars.  
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Post  cool breeze on Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:41 pm

Sparma wrote:Along with standing reservations, I've got hope for SVG going into this season, based in part on what I think I've been hearing from him that he'll:
a) emphasize distributing the ball, using multiple ball handlers.
b) stress getting the ball to a variety of shooters in optimal situations, paired with placing less emphasis on pick and roll.  
c) use a longer rotation, using more situational subbing.
d) give increased opportunities to young players, like Kennard.
e) continue to emphasize D, with increased prospects for success, partly due for a reinvigorated Dre.

Tis the season for hope!

ESPN says SVG calls for doing away with the draft (> no tanking) and max salaries (> harder to form super teams).  I think he's got a point about max salaries.  If markets, rather than a created ceiling, dictated the highest salaries, it'd be harder to collect superstars.  

Sparma if the changes that you have listed are the true goals of the roster players and the coaching staff then who can't be happy with that? I hope this is not all talk and everyone is committed to playing that way throughout the long season. If they do and can avoid injuries, the Pistons position as a playoff team should be pretty good.

Thanks for sharing this Sparma. NBA fans might not agree with SVG on eliminating draft night that excites bottom feeders for at least one summer for those to get lucky with the ping pong balls. But something needs to stop the bleeding of the small market teams. The biggest problem for the NBA is greed of the players, front office and the owners. Scheduling too many games cheats the families who happen to select one game a year to attend due to ticket pricing and the cost of concessions. Scheduling back to back games on those long road trips guarantees the rested home team will have a huge advantage if both teams are the same quality wise. The effects of expansion is has hurt the overall product as well. There are too many NBA teams and not enough experienced and talented basketball players to go around. Eliminating up to three teams would greatly increase the long term health of the NBA.

A lot of fans want to predict total Piston wins this season. What about fan attendance? Moving downtown Detroit might cause fans to turn out for awhile. If the team plays the right way and has improved success maybe fans support will be better this season. Last season I don't think the low attendance figures was because the games were played at the Palace. Fans liked the Palace or at least I really did. The players, owner and coaches got what they deserved last season for the most part. The team was hard to watch and who wasn't disappointed during the last half of the season? I wonder how many season ticket holders the Pistons lost. Fans could not bond with that team. It will be up to the players to earn the respect of the fans this time around. If the players make that list you wrote down relating to changes they are making part of their core values throughout the season, then the downtown arena should be rocking and near full capacity come spring. If AD and others start slacking in the tough part of winter, then the announcers will be able to hear a pin drop on some of those cold nights.

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Post  Sparma on Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:17 am

Along with standing reservations, I've got hope for SVG going into this season, based in part on what I think I've been hearing from him that he'll:
a) emphasize distributing the ball, using multiple ball handlers.
b) stress getting the ball to a variety of shooters in optimal situations, paired with placing less emphasis on pick and roll.
c) use a longer rotation, using more situational subbing.
d) give increased opportunities to young players, like Kennard.
e) continue to emphasize D, with increased prospects for success, partly due for a reinvigorated Dre.

Tis the season for hope!

ESPN says SVG calls for doing away with the draft (> no tanking) and max salaries (> harder to form super teams). I think he's got a point about max salaries. If markets, rather than a created ceiling, dictated the highest salaries, it'd be harder to collect superstars.
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Post  cool breeze on Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:43 pm

Oracle wrote:The re-emergence of Reggie & Drummond, our two true stars. When these guys are right, we win, maybe not in the best way, but we are a very dangerous team. 

Add to that the effect of Stanley & Bradley assisting by limiting the penetration to the basket and a better rim protector in Drummond, we should win games at a good clip even if we don't shoot particularly well.

Here's what's driving my optimism...

http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/focused-dominant-drummond-emerging-pistons-anchor-camps-first-week wrote:AUBURN HILLS – Reggie Jackson came through his first no-holds-barred training camp practice with flying colors Friday, but all he wanted to talk about was Andre Drummond.
Two bits of good news for the Pistons in that:

[*]One, Jackson wasn’t particularly unburdened by clearing that hurdle in his return from last year’s nagging left knee tendinosis because that’s how confident he is in the results of the deliberate off-season protocol Pistons trainers established for him, and …

[*]Two, Drummond’s been downright dominant in camp so far.
“He’s been a freak amongst men out here,” Jackson said. “Every rebound is his. He’s trying to break the rim every time he gets it. He’s trying to protect the paint. He’s running hard. … He’s been playing tremendously well.”

Drummond is a lean 280 pounds after losing 35 pounds, he said, over the summer. He had surgery to repair damage to his nose that limited his breathing to one nostril and that – coupled with what he called off-season “soul searching” – has him dialed in to a greater degree than at any time in his five-plus years since the Pistons drafted him.

“I feel fantastic,” he said. “The two-a-days aren’t grueling on my body. I’m taking the necessary steps to take my recovery a lot more seriously than I did in previous years. It’s really boiled down to I’m being a professional. I’m taking the necessary steps to make sure I’m at my best.”

There’s a different vibe in training camp this year by unanimous anecdotal evidence and Stan Van Gundy feels Drummond’s influence is a contributing factor.

The comments have all been positive relating to AD and it appears RJ has improved since his return last season. Like you said time will tell but as long as Reggie plays like the old Reggie for the first 3 quarters until the last 3 minutes, we will most likely see a dysfunctional team on offense again. I just wish Reggie would be the old Reggie in crunch time and become a ball sharing point guard who will pay attention to detail on defense for the other times that he is on the floor.

One comment from someone in the press struck me. AD has lost 30 pounds and is not a lean 280 or 285 pounds. So that means our franchise player last season played the entire season at around 310 pounds?? Exactly when did he gain all of that weight? Last fall comments were all positive as well where all the reporters were saying AD looked real fit and his concentration was great. SVG appeared to be real happy with AD as well even though he refused to use the shooting coach. SVG backed AD up saying players can get confused when more than one coach is working with them. Look how that worked out as AD regressed further into the toilet relating to his free throw shooting. Every fan should be skeptical of anything SVG says about his franchise player. We shall see how consistent AD's effort is in December, January and onward. But at least all of the reports are positive about AD. He must be doing something right in training camp. Keep it going AD. Show us you really care about the fate of the Pistons. Then we will trust you.

Sure wish Zeke was coaching this team. He isn't getting any younger but has so much to offer young players especially the guards. There would be no question that Zeke would be starting Bradley at point guard. RJ would be coming off the bench and playing in crunch time depending on matchups. SVG sure mentions Galloway a lot in his press conferences. Galloway shares the ball and has a good basketball IQ. Too bad he will not be playing point guard unless Jackson or Smith are injured. Nothing is mentioned in the goings on in training camp that Bradley is playing some at point guard. Must be SVG wants to shoot that idea down real quick so he can make sure his ball dominate point guards have no competition. We must remember that two seasons ago, RJ shoot the ball way too much. Because of the make up of the roster, there were no complaints. Now we have some young players who are ready t shine and want a point guard who can help make them successful. I can't imagine that they will not stand up and be counted if RJ hogs the ball to the extreme or fails to see players who have worked hard to get open. RJ has always been knows as a player with selective vision. And past players have wondered if his basketball IQ is high enough to actually run a half court offense the right way. So as you said again - time will tell if anything will be different when the Pistons get into the meat of the season where the strong take over and the weak become dysfunctional.








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Post  Oracle on Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:24 pm

The re-emergence of Reggie & Drummond, our two true stars. When these guys are right, we win, maybe not in the best way, but we are a very dangerous team. 

Add to that the effect of Stanley & Bradley assisting by limiting the penetration to the basket and a better rim protector in Drummond, we should win games at a good clip even if we don't shoot particularly well.

Here's what's driving my optimism...

http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/focused-dominant-drummond-emerging-pistons-anchor-camps-first-week wrote:AUBURN HILLS – Reggie Jackson came through his first no-holds-barred training camp practice with flying colors Friday, but all he wanted to talk about was Andre Drummond.
Two bits of good news for the Pistons in that:

[*]One, Jackson wasn’t particularly unburdened by clearing that hurdle in his return from last year’s nagging left knee tendinosis because that’s how confident he is in the results of the deliberate off-season protocol Pistons trainers established for him, and …

[*]Two, Drummond’s been downright dominant in camp so far.
“He’s been a freak amongst men out here,” Jackson said. “Every rebound is his. He’s trying to break the rim every time he gets it. He’s trying to protect the paint. He’s running hard. … He’s been playing tremendously well.”

Drummond is a lean 280 pounds after losing 35 pounds, he said, over the summer. He had surgery to repair damage to his nose that limited his breathing to one nostril and that – coupled with what he called off-season “soul searching” – has him dialed in to a greater degree than at any time in his five-plus years since the Pistons drafted him.

“I feel fantastic,” he said. “The two-a-days aren’t grueling on my body. I’m taking the necessary steps to take my recovery a lot more seriously than I did in previous years. It’s really boiled down to I’m being a professional. I’m taking the necessary steps to make sure I’m at my best.”

There’s a different vibe in training camp this year by unanimous anecdotal evidence and Stan Van Gundy feels Drummond’s influence is a contributing factor.





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I swear SVG is beginning to remind me of the bad Joe...

Post  Oracle on Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:33 pm

Yes, yes, a million times yes... you understand SVG!

His goal is to change NOTHING! He fully believes his schemes will work with better shooters, of course, everything appears to work with better shooters, but, IMO, it will just hide for awhile the flaws in SVG's schemes.

His plan is clear:
1. Play Bradley EXACTLY how he played KCP... long and hard and preferably hanging out on the 3 point line to jack up that last minute off balanced shot that appears to be what his offense is designed to generate.
2. Talk up the youngsters! Hey, why not, that's the only bone they can expect to get unless there's a sh!t load of garbage time this year.
3. SVG doesn't over pay scrubs for nothing, he plans to use them early and often

I have two hopes with SVG. First I hope he does play Kennard with the respect he gave Stanley in his first year, and secondly that he learned something about this team last year as it relates to guard play and ball movement.

It won't be long before we start to get some answers...
cool breeze wrote:Take a look at the article "Five Goals for Langston Galloway". Here we have the truth of what SVG must have penciled in way before training camp began. No matter what happens in training camp SVG will have blinders on. He signed Galloway for $7 mil a year. Therefore, Galloway will be the backup 2 guard this season and the next two seasons unless Bradley signs elsewhere next summer. SVG will work Bradley to death playing him 35 minutes a game so he will be warn out by playoff time. Galloway will get the scraps. SVG will tell the press that Luke like Henry is not ready. Of course all of this line of bull is orchestrated to protect his two amazing ball hog point guards Jackson and Smith. We will see them slowly dribble the ball up the court and look for a small opening for themselves if AD is not immediately open. Ball dominate point guards make me cringe. There is no way the Pistons can win with those two point guards. Both are inferior defenders. Neither point guard is capable of organizing the offense so the team plays both sides of the court. Neither point guard can think two plays ahead. That is why they need to dribble so much. Meanwhile this team will not grow at all being that the best players will seldom touch the basketball.

SVG is a fraud. He is not objective. Every decision he makes involves what he does as the guy who picks and signs free agents. They get the playing time. There will be no development of the young players. There will be no development of the other 4 players who get on the floor with SVG's designated point guards. This team needs Avery Bradley to play point guard. They need Luke, Stanley, and Tobias to be key offensive players. If they do not touch the ball then we will not see any screening, movement without the basketball of the ball going from one side of the court to the other. This is Tim Hardaway style of basketball. SVG has him handling the guards. Remember how ball dominate he was as a player? Sorry Piston fans but this Piston organization has a rigged system. Get ready for our players to get their asses kicked. Nobody will play aggressive defense if those talented defensive players seldom touch the ball unless the shot clock is expiring.

So Galloway will suck up the 10 minutes or so minutes left after Bradley plays 30 plus minutes at the 2 guard. He might be able to do it though because he will be standing in the baseline corner much like Pope and Johnson did last season. He will wait and watch not having a clue what in hell the scatterbrain point guards are trying to do. That is because neither guard knows in advance what they will do. They will read and react. Everything within the offense will depend on them. How stupid can you be SVG? You think fans want to see that nonsense. No Michigan basketball fans know when you are trying to sell them a circus act.
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Post  cool breeze on Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:11 pm

WTF wrote:College Basketball is gone to hell in a hand basket and it's a damn shame.


Greed is the biggest part in this and as Barkley stated all is to blame (Shoe Companies, Sport Networks, and the freaking NBA)   


First things first the NBA needs to stop the one and done and require players to go the full 4 years of college, colleges should not have multiple shoe contracts (pick one , Nike, UA or Adidas) 


Secondly put these games back on local TV networks

WTF Tucson is the home of the U of Arizona. This is a basketball city like none I have ever lived in. Everyone is attached to the college basketball program in an emotional way. Attendance is as high as any place in the country despite a crapy list of home games over the past 6 years. Arizona was ranked number 1 in many polls. Everything looked bright. Then the hammer hit with the FBI arrest of a long time assistant coach of Sean Miller. Richardson makes over $225,000 a year in salary. He claims to be a people person. But he was caught moving money around to the Mother of one kid and keeping some of it in his own pocket. I think it was around $15,000.00. Now the question is how many players if any on the current team have received or greedy parents received from a shoe company. Many believe that football is more corrupted than basketball but basketball is easier for the FBI to create sting operations relating to agents who create this corruption. But to break the rules for chump change by this U of A coach is amazing.

Even when I coached high school basketball and we had conference meetings, I was always amazed by the fact that so many high school basketball coaches were clearly doing the job to promote themselves. It was about them not the players who play and decide the outcome of the games. What can they make in the summer camps. How they did this or that in coaching made by want to skip those meetings. Some didn't have egos but most were A holes who I would not enjoy playing for. Being a coach is like being a Father. It is not about you. Your role is to do your best to help make kids successful. Your only reward is to be a witness after putting in long hours of work to see the kid become successful and to have the good fortune to witness what happens because you were there as a mentor. The sports networks or television networks, shoe companies, AAU corrupt coaches, and some of those coaches who move up to the college ranks as assistants acting like they really have the best interest of the player have caused this ugly mess. And of course some of the parents of the players show their true colors too has they latch on to their kids and try to suck they dry asking for handouts from college recruiters to get their sons or daughters to sign. This not only goes on in football and basketball but even girls softball where girls who are in the 7th grade are followed and courted by all the major universities. College coaches in girls softball make amazing money now. What kind of money is being passed on to parents in that sport?

I agree with you regarding the NBA too. Let 18 year old kids go from high school to the NBA. Doing that will weaken that sport even more and the quality of play will continue to drop as the NBA front office adds more meaningless games to the schedule to increase their revenue. At some point fans will walk away from this game. And fans following their favorite college team are tired of those 5 star athletes getting so much attention and then leaving after one season. I think a lot of fans appreciate watching smaller college teams play because they can watch young kids develop and form a bond with those players knowing they will be developing before their eyes for 4 years.

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It appears that SVG's game plan will be the same old thing that will mean more boredom for fans - SVG's two point guards are etched in stone -Jackson and Smith and nobody else

Post  cool breeze on Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:39 pm

Take a look at the article "Five Goals for Langston Galloway". Here we have the truth of what SVG must have penciled in way before training camp began. No matter what happens in training camp SVG will have blinders on. He signed Galloway for $7 mil a year. Therefore, Galloway will be the backup 2 guard this season and the next two seasons unless Bradley signs elsewhere next summer. SVG will work Bradley to death playing him 35 minutes a game so he will be warn out by playoff time. Galloway will get the scraps. SVG will tell the press that Luke like Henry is not ready. Of course all of this line of bull is orchestrated to protect his two amazing ball hog point guards Jackson and Smith. We will see them slowly dribble the ball up the court and look for a small opening for themselves if AD is not immediately open. Ball dominate point guards make me cringe. There is no way the Pistons can win with those two point guards. Both are inferior defenders. Neither point guard is capable of organizing the offense so the team plays both sides of the court. Neither point guard can think two plays ahead. That is why they need to dribble so much. Meanwhile this team will not grow at all being that the best players will seldom touch the basketball.

SVG is a fraud. He is not objective. Every decision he makes involves what he does as the guy who picks and signs free agents. They get the playing time. There will be no development of the young players. There will be no development of the other 4 players who get on the floor with SVG's designated point guards. This team needs Avery Bradley to play point guard. They need Luke, Stanley, and Tobias to be key offensive players. If they do not touch the ball then we will not see any screening, movement without the basketball of the ball going from one side of the court to the other. This is Tim Hardaway style of basketball. SVG has him handling the guards. Remember how ball dominate he was as a player? Sorry Piston fans but this Piston organization has a rigged system. Get ready for our players to get their asses kicked. Nobody will play aggressive defense if those talented defensive players seldom touch the ball unless the shot clock is expiring.

So Galloway will suck up the 10 minutes or so minutes left after Bradley plays 30 plus minutes at the 2 guard. He might be able to do it though because he will be standing in the baseline corner much like Pope and Johnson did last season. He will wait and watch not having a clue what in hell the scatterbrain point guards are trying to do. That is because neither guard knows in advance what they will do. They will read and react. Everything within the offense will depend on them. How stupid can you be SVG? You think fans want to see that nonsense. No Michigan basketball fans know when you are trying to sell them a circus act.

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