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[WTF]

Pistons fans web-wide, say that our collective dream becomes a reality and we end up with the 1st pick, and Jelly & Howdy draft Anthony Davis; who's to coach him? Lil' Larry is going to develop and bring out the best in a big man? Where in his entire career is there any evidence that he's capable of that feat? What did he do with the bigs in Jersey? What has he done with Villanueva, Jerebko, and Macklin here, in terms of development? The only thing that he did for Maxiell was give him PT, other than that, he's the same player he's always been.

It's one thing to preach defense, and another to teach defense. I've watched the Pistons carefully and don't see any radical lock-down defensive schemes, just individual effort and athleticism. That's not taught, that's individual decision coupled with God given talent, that Lil' Larry is taking credit for. So do we draft this kid and allow him to "raise" himself in the pro game? Bullsh!t. If he should get hurt, then he wasn't phyically ready; if he doesn't develop fast enough, then he's a bust and was over-rated. Everything but Lil' Larry being an incompetent coach. He's an assistant that we got by with this year because he looks good compared to his predecessors, but make no mistake, if this team is to flourish and grow, we need a real defensive minded coach. If we end up with Anthony Davis, Lil' Larry should be immediately relieved of duty. If Greg Monroe is the MOP, how much of that improvement is on the defensive end?

This is why Lil Larry isn't better than Mr. Flip Saunders I can hear it now, but if Flip had this team he would get better defensive production from CV, JMax, JJ Monroe and yes even Daye. If nothing else Flip zone defense was a piece of art (minus Lebrons 29 pt 4th quarter) which had more to do with players quitting than a scheme not actually working, would have hid most of the defensive issues with players like Daye and CV.

Boy do I miss that great coaching from Flip

[Oracle]

This is why Lil Larry isn't better than Mr. Flip Saunders I can hear it now, but if Flip had this team he would get better defensive production from CV, JMax, JJ Monroe and yes even Daye. If nothing else Flip zone defense was a piece of art (minus Lebrons 29 pt 4th quarter) which had more to do with players quitting than a scheme not actually working, would have hid most of the defensive issues with players like Daye and CV.

Boy do I miss that great coaching from Flip

Ok, you're in the tank for Softy Saunders, but in this case you're mostly right!

I think Flip's defensive schemes were highly underrated! While his ineffective 3,000 pages of offensive plays got all the press, while not working one bit, he had defensive schemes that blew my mind.

Unfortantely for Flip, he needs the talent and mentally engaged players to get anything done. Young players need a stronger hand than Flip can deliver, and he would more than likely fail here as he did in DC.

[Oracle]

Hello Pistons Fans, I'm announcing some thrilling news for next season.

As many of you know, I type my Tweets from the bench on my iPad. Well, next season, not only will I be selling my used iPad, I'll be selling my used MaxiPads under the label of "MyPads".

Each pad will be carefully and lovingly removed and wrapped in designer plastic and guaranteed HIV free. The first 1000 fans will get a personally autographed picture of me, signed in blood.

Now I know you all are asking what all of this would cost! Well I'm pleased to announce that in cooperation with Palace Entertainment, NOW, and the local Blood Bank, you can purchase these fine wares for the discounted low price of $199.95(plus taxes & shipping and handling).

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[Oracle]

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[WTF]

This is why Lil Larry isn't better than Mr. Flip Saunders I can hear it now, but if Flip had this team he would get better defensive production from CV, JMax, JJ Monroe and yes even Daye. If nothing else Flip zone defense was a piece of art (minus Lebrons 29 pt 4th quarter) which had more to do with players quitting than a scheme not actually working, would have hid most of the defensive issues with players like Daye and CV.

Boy do I miss that great coaching from Flip

Ok, you're in the tank for Softy Saunders, but in this case you're mostly right!

I think Flip's defensive schemes were highly underrated! While his ineffective 3,000 pages of offensive plays got all the press, while not working one bit, he had defensive schemes that blew my mind.

Unfortantely for Flip, he needs the talent and mentally engaged players to get anything done. Young players need a stronger hand than Flip can deliver, and he would more than likely fail here as he did in DC.

Not so sure that his 3000 page offensive playbook was the issue or just a stubborn bunch of proven-talented veterans. What would make it work for Flip know would be a talented big man like Monroe and a talented PG like Knight the only thing that would be missing offensively for Flip would be more consistent shooters from the outside.

Remember how potent the offense was during short stint of running the offense through C-Webb? It was a thing of beauty but Chauncey needed the rock in his hands to be effective. Or as P-Boy might put it CB needed the rock for his ego. Lets not even mention how good it was with KG....Monroe might not be a KG or C Webb at the moment but the potential is there.

No imagine hiding CV flaws in that same zone then allowing him to be fed the rock from Monroe beyond the arc and Stuckey became a more consistent outside shooter. The difference between him coaching here and what he was coaching in Washington is all the brain tumors on the brains of the players he had. If he had Knight and Monroe oppose to McGee and Walls he'll likely still be coaching the Wizards. Both talented players but basketball dumb.

[Phil-Good]

Sour Cynic. You would take up for bums like Mr Softy and Charlie V.

You would want to see that soft ass, never going to win A championship in the NBA Zone defense.

Flip Mr Softy Saunders is A division 1 NCAA men college basketball coach. Not A NBA head coach. Mr Softy Saunders will get his chance to coach Minnesota eventually but his time in the NBA is over.

Two of Joe's biggest mistakes are Mr Softy Saunders and Charlie V.

Don't ever go away from Detroit Pistons blue-print again Joe! What were you thinking taking in two soft ass Western Conference, soft ass bums?!

[WTF]

Sour Cynic. You would take up for bums like Mr Softy and Charlie V.

You would want to see that soft ass, never going to win A championship in the NBA Zone defense.

Flip Mr Softy Saunders is A division 1 NCAA men college basketball coach. Not A NBA head coach. Mr Softy Saunders will get his chance to coach Minnesota eventually but his time in the NBA is over.

Two of Joe's biggest mistakes are Mr Softy Saunders and Charlie V.

Don't ever go away from Detroit Pistons blue-print again Joe! What were you thinking taking in two soft ass Western Conference, soft ass bums?!

Oh Stop your whining! and over-stating Sour Pee Boy. Flip might have been soft on players but his defensive schemes were excellent, and 3 of those ECF came under his guidance rather you like him or not. You're a moron Pee Boy because you're the same numbnut that wanted CB gone in place of Stuckey and we all know how that turned out, you the same cheerleader that thought Curry and Kuester were better deal than Flip and we all seen how that turned out.

It's obvious your judgement of both players and coaches stinks to high heavens. How can you have any cred when you're consistently sucking Joe's drawer and deflecting blame away from him.

How silly is it to think or even want a coach to take over a veteran team that already had 2 finals appearences and 3 ECF under their belts and start dictating to them. Flip laid his defensive scheme and offensive scheme out and expected this team carry it out like the veterans they were. Flip had season of 64, 56, and 55 wins and Joe was a dumbass to fire him.

Since Flip been fired this team hasn't managed a .500 record yet under 3 different coaches but yet you keep champion Joe's dumbass but hated on a coach and player that had great success with this team. I would bet money today that if we had Flip coach and CB still here that this team would not have had 1 losing season period.

Correction the 2 biggest mistakes Joe has made is 1. staying beyond 2004 as GM and 2. thinking Krispy Kremes were calorie free

[deusXango]

How many Pistons under Joe Dumars watch have been given extentions? Chauncey Billips? Ben Wallace? Tayshaun Prince? Rodney Stuckey? Nope. None of the above, but Jason Maxiell was given a contract extention, that rivaled, in terms of length and money for what was earned on the court, the contracts signed by Gordon and Villanueva. On top of that, I thought Maxiell was a second round pick (could be that I'm wrong), and now I'm reading he's an upcoming restricted free agent. Is that how that works?

I bring up the Maxiell contract extention because it's another indication that Joe Dumars is prone to severe lapses in good judgement, which are detrimental to the team. It's not discussed but there it is. $23 million a year paid out to 3 minimally producing players. What could we have had for that? What GM in the league can avoid a snicker when he hears "Joe Dumars on line two?" Standing back, it looks like the picture of a man suffering with an untreated disorder, but then the intake of psycotropic medication would explain the outrageous weight gain he's made.

Phillip Boy, out of emphaty, and being a kindred spirit, don't be surprised when come draft night (if Joe's still here), you hear "...and with the 9th pick the Detroit Pistons select Royce White from Iowa St." Out of the mind of madness would come the first sane decision made in years; everything balances out in time.

[Sparma]

Haven't the Pistons finished fast the past two seasons? Could they pull a threepeat? The game v Toronto's vital. Go Amir!

[Oracle]

How many Pistons under Joe Dumars watch have been given extentions? Chauncey Billips? Ben Wallace? Tayshaun Prince? Rodney Stuckey? Nope. None of the above, but Jason Maxiell was given a contract extention, that rivaled, in terms of length and money for what was earned on the court, the contracts signed by Gordon and Villanueva. On top of that, I thought Maxiell was a second round pick (could be that I'm wrong), and now I'm reading he's an upcoming restricted free agent. Is that how that works?

I bring up the Maxiell contract extention because it's another indication that Joe Dumars is prone to severe lapses in good judgement, which are detrimental to the team. It's not discussed but there it is. $23 million a year paid out to 3 minimally producing players. What could we have had for that? What GM in the league can avoid a snicker when he hears "Joe Dumars on line two?" Standing back, it looks like the picture of a man suffering with an untreated disorder, but then the intake of psycotropic medication would explain the outrageous weight gain he's made.

Phillip Boy, out of emphaty, and being a kindred spirit, don't be surprised when come draft night (if Joe's still here), you hear "...and with the 9th pick the Detroit Pistons select Royce White from Iowa St." Out of the mind of madness would come the first sane decision made in years; everything balances out in time.

Seriously, whoever has been in charge of running the Pistons for the last few years needs to be bludgeoned to death with a whale penis.

[Sissy1946]

Anybody know when the Basketball Season Starts? Have been in a coma like dream since Last October. Had a dream about Maxi-Pads that he was gonna make the starting line up, & that Jelly was still the GM & then I woke up & seen it was true, scared the Schitt right out of me, how'd we get in this mess Jelly-Filled? Mr. Gores? Anyone? Hello! Anybody got any friggin' answers over there at Pistons Central? It also looks like we're stuck with Lorena up there, come on Flip, do your magic. By the way, where the H is Flip, we haven't heard from him in in months. Is Flip a machine? Flip? Where are ya bud?

[Phil-Good]

"I would bet money today that if we had Flip coach and CB still here that this team would not have had 1 losing season period."


I'm about to put some name out here. G.Arenus, A.Jamison, C.Butler, K.Garnett, L.Sprewell, C.Billups, Sam Cassel, Terrell Brandon, RIP Hamilton, T.Prince, Ben Wallace, Chris Webber, R.Wallace.. A.Afflalo, Rodney Stuckey, Anthony Peeler, Wally Szczerbiak, D.Davis, T.Hassell, Troy Hudson ETC....

Flip Mr Softy Saunders Is TRASH and can't get it done. Case CLOSED! Dead, done over with. Rest In Peace.


This SHIT IS CHESS NOT CHECKERS! I don't give two shits about regular season wins!! This not Phoenix, this not Golden State! This not Minnesota! THIS MUTER-FUCKING DETROIT PISTONS!!

Call Isiah Thomes, Joe Dumars, Dennis Rodman, Bill Lambeer, Ben wallace, and ask them how many regular season win they have?

They don't give A SHIT! They going to talk about Rings and playing for Championships!

I think like Lakers, Celtics. Steelers, Red Wing, and NY Yankee fans. RINGS OR BUST! Bow DOWN CHUMP!

[WTF]

Sour Pee Boy say's "I think like Lakers, Celtics. Steelers, Red Wing, and NY Yankee fans. RINGS OR BUST! Bow DOWN CHUMP!"


No you don't Pissy Boy because if you did you'll be screaming for Joe's head instead of kissing his ass all the time and making excuses or finding blame in everyone (Flip, CB and others). If Joe was in any of those places he be fired already.

If that's how you judge Flip then there are tons of shitty coaches in the league because only a handful have won titles. If it's truly ring or bust as you claim then you need to bring your ass over to the side of those screaming for Fat Joe's head, but you're just a poser P-Boy and a cheerleader.

Out of the 30 odd teams how many coaches have titles? Rick Carlise and Pop. That means 28 teams has shitty coaches.

[WTF]

How many Pistons under Joe Dumars watch have been given extentions? Chauncey Billips? Ben Wallace? Tayshaun Prince? Rodney Stuckey? Nope. None of the above, but Jason Maxiell was given a contract extention, that rivaled, in terms of length and money for what was earned on the court, the contracts signed by Gordon and Villanueva. On top of that, I thought Maxiell was a second round pick (could be that I'm wrong), and now I'm reading he's an upcoming restricted free agent. Is that how that works?

I bring up the Maxiell contract extention because it's another indication that Joe Dumars is prone to severe lapses in good judgement, which are detrimental to the team. It's not discussed but there it is. $23 million a year paid out to 3 minimally producing players. What could we have had for that? What GM in the league can avoid a snicker when he hears "Joe Dumars on line two?" Standing back, it looks like the picture of a man suffering with an untreated disorder, but then the intake of psycotropic medication would explain the outrageous weight gain he's made.

Phillip Boy, out of emphaty, and being a kindred spirit, don't be surprised when come draft night (if Joe's still here), you hear "...and with the 9th pick the Detroit Pistons select Royce White from Iowa St." Out of the mind of madness would come the first sane decision made in years; everything balances out in time.

Seriously, whoever has been in charge of running the Pistons for the last few years needs to be bludgeoned to death with a whale penis.

Oracle Joe might like that

[Grizz2]

...or he might have F-ed up a really beautiful game by the Pistons in a must-win-or-go-to-prison game vs the Mighty Raptors! Way to go, Coach Frank .. right into the toilet!

[merc]

Aren't we so happy that Frank plays his starters to finish a meaningless game that could have netted the #1 pick... pffft

[Grizz2]

Monroe shot 9 shots today! Where is our head coach when it comes to creating a balanced offense! 16 assists as a team is not very impressive either. Team is backsliding ... not so much because of effort but because of stupid coaching...

[Rett]

The season is coming to an end for our dear Pistons.

Props to our Big Ben....it will be his last game.!!!
Love Big Ben and everything he has brought to the Pistons franchise....he was the heart and soul of that team!.....that brought us the 2004 'ship!

Will miss you Ben and THANK YOU for some wonderful memories!!!

[Grizz2]

Rhett .. Right on! ... one of top 3 defensive players of all time ... never saw a better quicker player on help defense

[Phil-Good]

"Out of the 30 odd teams how many coaches have titles? Rick Carlise and Pop. That means 28 teams has shitty coaches."


You don't even know what your talking about. First off Sour Cynic, I SAID JUST GET TO THE FINALS! Flip Mr Softy Saunders can't even get to the big dance. THAT'S THE POINT YOU BASKETBALL-RETARD!

Just get to the damn dance!

Second, replace Joe with who? Give me the names of GM'S out there looking for A job who has 6 eastern conference championships appearances, 2 NBA Finals appearances, NO MAX Salary Players, Executive of the year and is willing to come to the Detroit Pistons without breaking the pockets of the new owner? WHO? WHO? WHO?

You are so stupid.... that you will cry for Joe to be fired but please find somebody to replace him who is just as qualified or more qualified as he is. WHO? WHO? Tell me please who? Give me names?


Damn! Who? WHO? Give me A FUCKING NAME PLEASE!!? WHO? WHO? WHO? WHO? WHO? WHO? WHO? WHO? WHO? Give me A fucking name? WHO? WHO? WHO?



No more fucking fantasy talk. Let's talk real shit for 1 time in your life SOUR CYNIC! WHO? WHO? WHO? WHO? Tell me A name? WHO? WHO? WHO?

Give me 5 name right now? WHO WHO WHO WHO???

YOU CRY ALL DAY EVERYDAY! WHO? WHO? Can I get 5 name PLEASE!!! And they better have done what Joe has done? WHO? WHO? WHO? FUCKING WHO? Give me names And I will respect your bitching and crying all day everyday. WHO??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Fennis Dembo]

The Real Notes and Quotes from the Toronto game not the stuff we get from the beat writers - by Biff Burns

Biff Burns: The less you know about this game the better your mental health will be. The Pistons shot lousy for the third game in a row, but managed a 3 point victory. The victory really did not hurt their draft lottery position.
The half time show is the more important story. MC Hammer performed at halftime. Here are the lyrics to his hit song. (With deepest apologies to Weird Al Yankovic)

"I Can't Watch This"

I can't watch this. I can't watch this
I can't watch this. I can't watch this

My my my my Pistons makes me so bored
Makes me say, oh my lord
What is this garbage here?
Wanna cover my eyes and plug my ears
It sucks, and that's no lie
It's about as much fun as watching paint dry
Lowers my IQ one notch
And that's the reason why, uh, I can't watch

I told you homeboy... I can't watch this
Yeah, nothin' but trash and you know...
I can't watch this
Poke out my eyes, man... I can't watch this
Yo, gimme that remote control... I can't watch this

Talkin' 'bout sick games
Makes me wanna see my TV go up in flames
I can't believe my eyes
Maxiell misses an easy dunk what a surprise
Wallace misses another foul shot
Why do I watch this basketball rot
A flagrant foul by Charlie V
Oh, man, why is he so freakin’ clumsy
That's funny as a kick in the crotch
And that kind of game, uh, I can't watch

Yo, I told you... I can't watch this
Change the channel now, man... I can't watch this
Yo, pass the TV Guide here, sucker... I can't watch this

Bynum and Daye
These guys are way less than okay
Walker Russell, oh my
You gotta be Rainman to like this guy
Tayshaun Prince is alright
If you like watching him yell at refs all night
Scott Perry and Joe Dumars
Wish they'd fire those donut-eatin' tzars
Those Wilkins and Gordon bums
Ought to go home and sit on their thumbs

That's word because you know... I can't watch this
I can't watch this
Break it down!

Stop! Prime Time!
I'm pretty sure I'll be sick
If I have to watch Lil’ Larry’s coaching shtick
Or that guy with the billion dollars in cash
His goofy dancing gives me a rash
And those tank jobs for no reason at all
Makes me wanna cry and ball
They're goofy and vile
Just for a minute let's flip down the dial
Flip, flip, Flip Saunders... yeccch, I can't watch this
Look man... I can't watch this
I can't take this torture no more, I can't...
I can't watch this
Pay the bills, station break
Break it down!

Stop! Cable Time!
ESPN, NBA, and TNT
I might like 'em more after my lobotomy
Now why did I ever pay for this junk?
I hooked up eighty channels and each one stunk
Just brainless strategy, and mindless horseplay
It's awful, it's putrid, it's crummy, it's stupid, gonna throw my set away

I can't watch this. I can't watch this
I can't watch this. Yeah... I can't watch this
I told you... can't watch this
Too hip, can't watch this
Get me outta here... can't watch this

[Phil-Good]

O By the way. There is A list out on Coaches who players would not want to play for. Guess who has 6% on the don't want to play for him list? FLIP MR. Softy Saunders!


Which coach would you like to play for the...

MOST?

DOC RIVERS, CELTICS 22%

MIKE D'ANTONI 21%

GREGG POPOVICH, SPURS 16%

RICK CARLISLE, MAVERICKS 6%

RICK ADELMAN, T-WOLVES 5%

LEAST?

STAN VAN GUNDY, MAGIC 22%

SCOTT SKILES, BUCKS 14%

BYRON SCOTT, CAVALIERS 9%

FLIP SAUNDERS 6%

[Grizz]

The Real Notes and Quotes from the Toronto game not the stuff we get from the beat writers - by Biff Burns

Biff Burns: The less you know about this game the better your mental health will be. The Pistons shot lousy for the third game in a row, but managed a 3 point victory. The victory really did not hurt their draft lottery position.
The half time show is the more important story. MC Hammer performed at halftime. Here are the lyrics to his hit song. (With deepest apologies to Weird Al Yankovic)

"I Can't Watch This"

I can't watch this. I can't watch this
I can't watch this. I can't watch this

My my my my Pistons makes me so bored
Makes me say, oh my lord
What is this garbage here?
Wanna cover my eyes and plug my ears
It sucks, and that's no lie
It's about as much fun as watching paint dry
Lowers my IQ one notch
And that's the reason why, uh, I can't watch

I told you homeboy... I can't watch this
Yeah, nothin' but trash and you know...
I can't watch this
Poke out my eyes, man... I can't watch this
Yo, gimme that remote control... I can't watch this

Talkin' 'bout sick games
Makes me wanna see my TV go up in flames
I can't believe my eyes
Maxiell misses an easy dunk what a surprise
Wallace misses another foul shot
Why do I watch this basketball rot
A flagrant foul by Charlie V
Oh, man, why is he so freakin’ clumsy
That's funny as a kick in the crotch
And that kind of game, uh, I can't watch

Yo, I told you... I can't watch this
Change the channel now, man... I can't watch this
Yo, pass the TV Guide here, sucker... I can't watch this

Bynum and Daye
These guys are way less than okay
Walker Russell, oh my
You gotta be Rainman to like this guy
Tayshaun Prince is alright
If you like watching him yell at refs all night
Scott Perry and Joe Dumars
Wish they'd fire those donut-eatin' tzars

Those Wilkins and Gordon bums
Ought to go home and sit on their thumbs

That's word because you know... I can't watch this
I can't watch this
Break it down!

Stop! Prime Time!
I'm pretty sure I'll be sick
If I have to watch Lil’ Larry’s coaching shtick
Or that guy with the billion dollars in cash
His goofy dancing gives me a rash
And those tank jobs for no reason at all
Makes me wanna cry and ball
They're goofy and vile
Just for a minute let's flip down the dial
Flip, flip, Flip Saunders... yeccch, I can't watch this
Look man... I can't watch this
I can't take this torture no more, I can't...
I can't watch this
Pay the bills, station break
Break it down!

Stop! Cable Time!
ESPN, NBA, and TNT
I might like 'em more after my lobotomy
Now why did I ever pay for this junk?
I hooked up eighty channels and each one stunk
Just brainless strategy, and mindless horseplay
It's awful, it's putrid, it's crummy, it's stupid, gonna throw my set away

I can't watch this. I can't watch this
I can't watch this. Yeah... I can't watch this
I told you... can't watch this
Too hip, can't watch this
Get me outta here... can't watch this

WOW THAT WAS GREAT! ..THANK YOU FENNIS!

[Grizz]

... the chicken skank lady that haunts this site ...Flips' message from beyond?!

[WTF]

O By the way. There is A list out on Coaches who players would not want to play for. Guess who has 6% on the don't want to play for him list? FLIP MR. Softy Saunders!


Which coach would you like to play for the...

MOST?

DOC RIVERS, CELTICS 22%

MIKE D'ANTONI 21%

GREGG POPOVICH, SPURS 16%

RICK CARLISLE, MAVERICKS 6%

RICK ADELMAN, T-WOLVES 5%

LEAST?

STAN VAN GUNDY, MAGIC 22%

SCOTT SKILES, BUCKS 14%

BYRON SCOTT, CAVALIERS 9%

FLIP SAUNDERS 6%

Pee Boy this is like that EGO thing again. Only 6% doesn't want to play for him that means 94% wouldn't mind play for him dummy. I told you once you were a moron so I'll say it again Moron! Apparantly you were and idiot in math and just as dumb in statistics. While you think you were posting something bad about Flip it was actually good.

You think like Joe Dumars (Retarded)

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