Pistons with Mountain sized Chips on their Shoulders...

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From here: Blake Griffin could and should be an MVP candidate next season

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[cool breeze]

Because we all love the Pistons and basketball, it shows that we can think and be different while still sharing something in common, even though it's something that's just a game.

My opinion is that we have two main sides in this country that share absolutely no values in common... none! It's futile to talk about the differences, they exist and are what they are, the result of the two sides brains working in very different ways.

The impact of this brain difference is that the two sides can look at the same situation and see entirely different things. It's been this way from the beginning of this country, and it's not going to ever change.

I don't want to live in a country with these people... period, a divorce is needed before violence happens... again(Civil War). Different countries can share basketball just like we do now, even though we live under different laws.

I guarantee that after a break like that, the Conservative section will become much more liberal and the Liberal section will become much more conservative as a result of the compromise required that we've totally lost.

I'm done because I already know that there is no way back from here, this union is done, one way or another, but we can save ourselves by breaking up peacefully, but make no mistake we can't go on like this.

I hope you are wrong Oracle. I doubt anything so severe will happen in America. But if the United States become extinct people will have to live with the consequences. Failure by our public education system to show the positive side of a constitutional republic and instead create a propaganda machine much like Germany in pre war WW2 ( read Albert Spear's "Infiltration" and "Inside the Third Reich" which identify how academe was a main driver of Hitler coming to power) may do us in but there are enough citizens who know the value of our Bill of Rights that no other country has to protect citizens from government. The goal of Stalin's infiltration into our government was to somehow get rid of our Bill of Rights so as to pave the way to establish a totalitarian government. For most of my life republicans and democrats have lived together in peace as friends who debate loose construction or strict construction of our constitution. Now there is an absence of academe to encourage intellectual diversity where only one opinion is tolerated and encouraged by college professors with tenure. Young people in college go with the flow knowing their professors will target them if they disagree with their political positions in class. It is scary to me to hear my young relatives talk about their college experience with their interaction with some professors who are on the extreme of almost anything most of us believe in. Educators should have learned in their education classes that it is a violation of ethics to give your personal opinion on political issues in the classroom. Now anything goes. The bottom line is that if the people who come after us all think our constitution and Bill of Rights need to go, then the groups that do not hold power will face a life of submission to the group that holds power and enforces the necessary "Rigid Control" all good socialist countries must employ to make it all work for their group. We are now considered a nation of individual where the individual is valued above any "group". Albert Spear really identifies how dangerous "group thinkers" are to individuals. Crazy how easily people are manipulated. But then Joseph Stalin said " Americans are the most gullible people on the face of the Earth other than the British. We need "Rocky and Bowinkle" to make a comeback on television to defeat Boris Badinoff and Natasha after they create mass hysteria with the gullible public.

I encourage everyone to stop watching news on television because 95% is now pure propaganda created to spread false information to rile the public. watch C-Span. If we interact with each other each day and try to be understanding and are KIND to others, we can make an impact. The ultra rich want to change our government and are using modern media to create their revolution. They want more wealth and are determined to eliminate the middle class. That is what will happen under a new socialist system that some dream of. Eliminate the middle class and create a serf class. Then people will surrender their rights on the hope their new government will throw them a bone will promise a wonderful world to sucker them into the trap. Then comes the regulators who will punish violators of the new rules designed to make the masses suffer and the ultra rich richer. Be careful what you wish for because once our Bill of Rights go we are all screwed unless we are related to the ruling class.

Meanwhile our Pistons need a real point guard. Can that player be Luke Kennard in time? Enjoy the weekend Piston fans. Good times are just around the corner and will not include a revolution. We can all get along if we don't watch the news.

[deusXango]

"What Kawhi Leonard's arrival in Toronto means for the Detroit Pistons?" Not a damn thing! If Leonard had landed in Detroit, it would've changed the entire power structure in the east (Toronto, Boston, Philly) and immediately placed the Pistons in the championship conversation, with or without Reggie Jackson. Toronto is already the front runner in the east with nowhere to go but down and like the Phoenix, we're rising from the ashes.

I could have my foot in my mouth because I didn't read the article (title turned me off, sorta like lazy journalism) and I feel that we could've offered San Antonio much more in a 3-4 team trade. I'm delusional with the positive newness of the franchise's moves thus far.

Murph, what're your views on Senator Flake? I had to throw something political in since that's where we seem to be.

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Because we all love the Pistons and basketball, it shows that we can think and be different while still sharing something in common, even though it's something that's just a game.

My opinion is that we have two main sides in this country that share absolutely no values in common... none! It's futile to talk about the differences, they exist and are what they are, the result of the two sides brains working in very different ways.

The impact of this brain difference is that the two sides can look at the same situation and see entirely different things. It's been this way from the beginning of this country, and it's not going to ever change.

I don't want to live in a country with these people... period, a divorce is needed before violence happens... again(Civil War). Different countries can share basketball just like we do now, even though we live under different laws.

I guarantee that after a break like that, the Conservative section will become much more liberal and the Liberal section will become much more conservative as a result of the compromise required that we've totally lost.

I'm done because I already know that there is no way back from here, this union is done, one way or another, but we can save ourselves by breaking up peacefully, but make no mistake we can't go on like this.

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You can always complain to the moderator that I don't always post basketball comments and when I do they're not cheerful and happy post.   I'm okay with that too

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I'm not looking to debate nor get in a tit for tat on my opinion of this subject.   You all have a right to feel and think as you please, when it comes to race politics, religion. this team, the use of analytics or whatever.  Please have at it think what you like, believe what you want because I will continue to say it and call it as I see it.  

I didn't ask you about the Clintons, Obama, the Bush's but again please feel and think about it as you please I have no intentions on debating anyone about the larger and more accurate picture being that 2 wrongs don't make it right and when is enough is enough and my guess is never so this is way that Moral Compass oft mention in my post I say is fu@ked up.    

It's not that I'm not open to discuss venting post I just not going to waste time with the tit for tat and tossing morality in the process and I'm certainly not going to with people that support this behavior period.  I don't like the motherfu@ker and every time his dumbass do or say some **** I don't like if the mood hit me to vent I will.  All you have to do is ignore it

[Murph]

Wise...you need to seriously turn off the CNN.  It's making you angry and irrational.  And no one asked you to like Trump.

We've had a lot worse presidents than Trump.  W was a mental midget who allowed the economy to melt down, and destabilized the Middle East, which led to the deaths of 100s of thousands of people.  Clinton was a serial rapist, and his wife was corrupt, dishonest, incompetent political wannabe.

And while Obama sounded good, I wasn't all that impressed with many of his policies, including the fact that he allowed the Russians to meddle in the 2016 election, while doing nothing.  

Remember when Obama said this:  "There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America’s elections, there’s no evidence that that has happened in the past or that it will happen this time, and so I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and make his case to get votes."  That was Obama, not Trump.

But what does all that have to do with basketball?

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I didn't rant to debate politics I don't like that fu@ker and never will.  This has nothing to do with politics he's an ignorant ass no matter what party he's in and I refuse to represent or support a dumb ass individual.   I don't give a **** about tit for tats discussions on Obama, Bush, Clinton our whomever I don't like this dumbass and I don't support ignorance period, or his ignorant behavior.   

When I rant just ignore it

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If they believed that Casey was the problem, then they should have believed that the team was the best in the east and only needed a new coach. Obviously we all know that wasn't the case, so why did they fire Casey if the players needed upgrading?

IMO, this is a huge mistake, Leonard is indeed the better player, if healthy, but he won't have the chemistry with the PG or the team, although that should get there by all star break, but it isn't guaranteed.

They likely don't get better numbers out of Leonard, but they do get better defense. I just don't see it making them that much better. I do want to see Stanley guarding Leonard, which in some ways is a tougher assignment than LeBron.

I also don't follow the Super Teams philosophy, Super Teams are made to be beaten. Basketball is a game of matchups, and a team playing defense always has a chance to beat anybody. After all, Zeke was spot on when he said that it's a battle of wills as much as it's a battle of skills once you reach a certain level!

I'm feeling better about our big 3 now that Arnie is coming back with his stretching routines and his concoctions. Good health and good coaching equals a high seed, IMO!

So Toronto just blew up their team, much in the same way Joe Dumars blew up the Pistons in 2008 by trading Billups for Iverson, and firing Flip.  It didn't work for the Pistons, and it's not going to work for the Raptors.

There is no way Kawhi is going to re-sign with Toronto next year.  He might not even play for the Raptors at all and sit out this year, although I doubt that.

Toronto just dumped their Coach of the Year, their best player in DeRozen and a 1st rounder...basically for Kawhi's expiring contract.  

Wow!  

Reports: San Antonio Spurs, Toronto Raptors agree to Kawhi Leonard trade

[Murph]

So Toronto just blew up their team, much in the same way Joe Dumars blew up the Pistons in 2008 by trading Billups for Iverson, and firing Flip.  It didn't work for the Pistons, and it's not going to work for the Raptors.

There is no way Kawhi is going to re-sign with Toronto next year.  He might not even play for the Raptors at all and sit out this year, although I doubt that.

Toronto just dumped their Coach of the Year, their best player in DeRozen and a 1st rounder...basically for Kawhi's expiring contract.  

Wow!  

Reports: San Antonio Spurs, Toronto Raptors agree to Kawhi Leonard trade

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[quote="Murph"]Oh...NOW I get it.  Wise...I seriously thought you were ranting about Tom Gores yesterday.   You're always ranting about something.  

And hey, you're just some random guy I discuss Pistons basketball with.  I really don't expect us to respect each other's political views.


But I will say this.  That Vladimir Putin must have some powerful Jedi mind tricks.  He got Bush to say:  "I looked the man in the eye. I found him very straightforward and trustworthy -- I was able to get a sense of his soul."  Huh?

He got Obama to whisper on an open mic to Medvedev:  "Tell Vladimir I will have more flexibility after the election."  That was right before Putin bent Obama over, and waltzed into the Ukraine and Crimea.

And remember Hillary Clinton's big red Russian Reset button???  How moronic was that?  

And now this.  Why does every American President (or wanna be Pres) come away thinking Putin is his/her new best forever friend after meeting him for the first time?  

Too funny.


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I just can't take this man any longer and for the life of me I just can't understand why people just accept this ****.  Lies on top of lies, stupid on top of stupid on a daily basis and for whatever reason it's okay and no one seems to care.   

This is really a very sad affair and God help us all 

I hear you Wise, but it's our way to support this lying clown, no matter how he got to where he is, but we're a people of laws that we abide by and when those laws bite, they bite deep; up against the wall mofo! The crime is not collusion, it's treason!!!

I support not a single ounce of this level of ignorance and shame on everyone that does.   never respected this man and now I'm not sure I can respect those that support this level of ignorance.  This was TREASON really he might as well been giving him a blow job on live tv. SMH 

I like your Piston rants much better than your political rants WTF. Thanks for the history lesson Murph. The media sure does have the ability to get people into a frenzy. I think the latest news cycle has not changed and is all about "Resist Trump" "Trump is a Racist" " Trump separated parents from children at the border". Can't be the deep state at work with all the followers following and taking the bate. Meanwhile Black unemployment is at historic highs and Black wages are higher than at any time in American history. But everything is bad and times are much worse than under President Obama right? I belong to no political party and wish more people felt that they loved their party and followed along like religious fanatics have done in past history. Check your premises. What does the word treason mean? Do people really want to go to war with Russia? That seems to be the popular belief based on what? The last thing I really knew what that Hillary Clinton, NBA, CBS, CNN, MSMBC and other powerful media outlets fixed the democratic primaries and screwed B. Sanders from getting the nomination for the democrats. The hacked e-mails everyone is supposed to ignore doesn't bother democratic followers. The fact that H Clinton got the questions to all of the debates in advance is not important in either the primaries or the general election. Some of the great old liberal democrats who led our country in the past who are now dead would be very upset with the current state of things within the democratic party. But then a lot of them were WW2 war heroes who actually risked their lives for their county so they didn't have to use extreme speeches using character assignation techniques or the old argument of intimidation techniques like calling opponents racists or now saying the current President has committed an act of treason because he is trying to defuse or reduce the threat of going to war with an adversary. Just why should we be doing more than placing the current sanctions on Russia? Personally I love it that whoever hacked the e-mails showed the world that their actually was an attempt to fix the democratic primaries. Funny that the same people who are so upset about the possibility that the Russians hacked those e-mails don't want to know how their party was highjacked from within and they still watch MSMBC and CNN to get their evening news. Try watching C'Span where real in depth information can be found instead of hack mouthpieces that only offer propaganda that seldom has offers an ounce of truth. Fox News is also guilty of that at times but at least they always offer three different takes from the republican, democratic and Libertarian mouthpieces. Reading stuff on social media that comes from California is scary these days. So many people are trying to get into our country but yet so many already here feel they need to change our entire form of government. They should be careful what they wish for.

Meanwhile the economy is moving in a good direction and the middle class is growing. ISIS has lost a lost of their punch. A lot of us are enjoying playing and watching sports and most people that I see on a daily basis get along well. Maybe if we didn't listen to the news as much we would all realize that we have more in common than not. Don't be played like a fiddle.

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Don writes: "During the summer league game between the Pistons and Chicago the experts examined that question. I loved it when one of the announcers said that the answer should be Blake Griffin. He has the skills to run a half court offense. His passing ability is underestimated. He can score in multiple ways and will draw a lot of attention because of that so other teammates should benefit relating to getting open looks. The other option is what I dread the most. I can't imagine that Casey will go back to the status quo and play the pick and roll game with Reggie Jackson and Andre Drummond. It is time for both AD and RJ to make the adjustment. AD should fill a roll not be looked at as an offensive star. He needs to become an outstanding defender, move without the ball and set screens on offense and make easy baskets around the rim. RJ must convert to a better defender to earn playing time and be able to shoot the 3 point shots from the wing and baseline corner as well as use his driving ability by receiving the ball off a pass instead of creating shots with his dribble. RJ has a long history of being a ball dominate player on offense and an extremely weak defender because he expends too much energy dribbling on offense. Run the offense through Griffin and play with ball and player movement. Scrap SVG's useless offensive plan please."

I think that Griffin will play a prominent role in building the offense.  Jackson likely will have the ball less.

Still, I expect Jackson to head half-court play more than anyone.  On the whole, I'm not a Jackson fan, but let's give the guy his due: he's a superior dribbler to anyone else on the team, a crucial skill when building the attack.  The importance of that skill's underrated, I think, also  when Kennard (a solid but not stellar dribbler) is advanced as potential PG.  When Reggie J's dribbling skill is combined with his good speed/ quickness, he's dangerous in close, half-court, quarters, even given his significant (and familiar) deficiencies.

But make no mistake: Blake's our most skilled (offensive) player, and I hope a lot of O flows through him.

I expect Andre to be the pivot on the attack less often than pre-Blake, but still with some regularity.  Not only he is an above average passer for an NBA C, hence an asset in that area, but I believe/ I'm afraid there's some tit for tat in the NBA.  Yes, it might be best if he just concentrated on D, but that expectation's likely to deliver an unhappy, hence less productive, Dre.  Shaq once put the delicate issue crassly: you've got to feed the dog, if you want him to be a watchdog on D.  Not that Dre's on Shaq's level, but I do think that mentality -- I need to get mine if you want me to do your bidding on D -- is shared.  Not an ideal situation, but likely a situation the coach needs to come to terms with.

Thanks for your thoughts on this topic Sparma. Oracle joined in too. Great!

Today I see there is news that Andre and Henry will be working with Kevin Garnett. Outstanding! I am loving this new management group and the head coach. One thing I know for sure is that Casey also believes that if this roster that played last season comes back with the same attitude relating to how they played on defense in crunch time and functioned in SVG's insane offensive system with dribble happy point guards, the same players will keep on losing and play themselves out of the playoffs again. The old style just won't work with this roster. Something new has to happen. That is why I brought up the subject of the Piston half court offense. There has to be a better plan than SVG offered. The Pistons cannot win playing pick and roll with RJ and AD being the focus of the entire offensive game plan. Too many players stand around and are not a scoring threat when point guards try to create the offense on every possession. This allows opponents to rest on defense and play off piston players who seldom touch the basketball. It is time for the Pistons to play a more complex offensive system featuring a lot of player and ball movement not one dimensional point guard dribbling. Teams that play that style play it because they do not have high basketball iQ players especially teams that have ball dominate players who are not exceptional Seth Curry or Zeke type players. One thing both of those point guards have in common is that they can see the entire floor quickly and always make the right decision without always having to probe the defense with the dribble. Also both players could somehow out fox opponents and find a way to score close to the basket. Defenders just can't figure them out because they do everything exceptionally well. We do not have any player on the roster in that category so it is time to face reality that the Pistons have average to below average point guards especially when considering their inept defensive skills. That is why I hope Luke Kennard can slowly win the point guard starting position. He has the brain the Pistons need at PG.  

The announcers in the Bulls game identified what the Pistons need to do. They need to create more player and ball movement. They said that Blake Griffin is an under rated passer and play maker. He needs to be placed in a role of point forward to get everyone involved in the offense. That translates to RJ and AD playing a different but very important role for the team.

The announcers make a huge observation about the old Pistons before Casey. THEY HAD NO IDENTITY. I disagree that RJ and BG should be switching off as to who initiates the offense. Last season Cleveland settled on Labron James being the head of the snake. There can be no confusion with the players relating to who the leader is on this team. BG has to be the MAN. He has to direct the offense as part of his leadership role for the team not RJ. I agree that depending on the situation Jackson should push the basketball and create advantages in numbers on breaks but the time should end now relating to RJ slowly dribbling the basketball up past the half court line while looking to find a hole in the defense for his drive and kick to AD. That worked for half of one season and opponents made the necessary adjustments to stop that old pick and roll play. If RJ can learn to play off the ball he can be a more effective scorer. Blake Griffin draws a lot of attention when he directs the offense from the top of the key. Stanley Johnson can set picks for players like RJ, Luke and Bullock. Also Johnson needs to be a big part of a half court offense directed by Griffin. SJ has great play making ability and is an exceptional passer who sees opportunities for others. SJ should not be judged on the amount of points he scores. He needs to play the role of The Enforcer while matching up on defense with the opponents best skill player and operating as an unselfish guy who does the dirty work on offense including scoring on 2nd chance opportunities off the glass. It is almost comical that fans just look at the stat sheet to see who scored the most points. Reading "Back From the Dead by Bill Walton, Bill reveals the names of teammates he played with who he thought were the real reason that his teams won so many games in college and the NBA. They were names of players few fans remember or ever knew about who played at UCLA, Portland before he ended his career with Boston. Johnson has always been a key player on winning teams until he reached the Pistons who managed to have dysfunctional team leaders from the get go. Griffin must change the culture and take charge of the team and the others must fill their role whatever that might be for this team to win.

This team needs to play a different style to WIN and that style must involve more mental engagement playing with much higher basketball IQ. AD is now of the age and experience that he needs to up his basketball IQ to the point where is plays exceptional defense in the paint and anticipates opponent plays and how they are trying to score in the paint. He has to learn how to be in correct spots in the paint and know opponent tendencies relating to his individual assignment on defense. Ellenson also needs to step up quickly to meet the challenge of playing much better defense and he needs to get in better physical condition so his jump stop is more stable when he shoots the basketball from distance. His base is weak on the jump stop after playing a few minutes which reveals fatigue. That is due to lack of game competition he didn't get over the past two seasons.  Casey is pretty sharp at identifying things that need to be corrected and it is so cool that Kevin Garnett will try to make some headway in improving our two important big men enough so they shine on defense next season. Who in hell knows why SVG didn't hire someone like Garnett to help our big men get better? I heard that Kevin really gets in players faces and calls them out for slacking with their effort and mental approach to playing basketball. The assistant coaches under SVG did not show that they had much impact on player development. Now this new breath of fresh air with Casey and the other management people which makes me hopeful that we will see something really good with the Pistons next season and the years that follow. If the Pistons play the 4 out 1 in pick and roll offense with RJ and AD the team will implode again by late December as they have done for the past two seasons. Hopefully Casey has already looked at the game film and seen how the team eventually crashed as the season wore with the old system. Two players are the focus while the other 3 accumulate rust from lack of involvement. The only thing that happens is that two players can build their stats to help their agents negotiate the next contract. Me first culture must end. Oh and that style guarantees low attendence for home games so Mr. Gores must distance himself from the players.  
Go Pistons!

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Oh...NOW I get it.  Wise...I seriously thought you were ranting about Tom Gores yesterday.   You're always ranting about something.  

And hey, you're just some random guy I discuss Pistons basketball with.  I really don't expect us to respect each other's political views.


But I will say this.  That Vladimir Putin must have some powerful Jedi mind tricks.  He got Bush to say:  "I looked the man in the eye. I found him very straightforward and trustworthy -- I was able to get a sense of his soul."  Huh?

He got Obama to whisper on an open mic to Medvedev:  "Tell Vladimir I will have more flexibility after the election."  That was right before Putin bent Obama over, and waltzed into the Ukraine and Crimea.

And remember Hillary Clinton's big red Russian Reset button???  How moronic was that?  

And now this.  Why does every American President (or wanna be Pres) come away thinking Putin is his/her new best forever friend after meeting him for the first time?  

Too funny.


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I just can't take this man any longer and for the life of me I just can't understand why people just accept this ****.  Lies on top of lies, stupid on top of stupid on a daily basis and for whatever reason it's okay and no one seems to care.   

This is really a very sad affair and God help us all 

I hear you Wise, but it's our way to support this lying clown, no matter how he got to where he is, but we're a people of laws that we abide by and when those laws bite, they bite deep; up against the wall mofo! The crime is not collusion, it's treason!!!

I support not a single ounce of this level of ignorance and shame on everyone that does.   never respected this man and now I'm not sure I can respect those that support this level of ignorance.  This was TREASON really he might as well been giving him a blow job on live tv. SMH 

[Oracle]

Reports: San Antonio Spurs, Toronto Raptors agree to Kawhi Leonard trade

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I just can't take this man any longer and for the life of me I just can't understand why people just accept this ****.  Lies on top of lies, stupid on top of stupid on a daily basis and for whatever reason it's okay and no one seems to care.   

This is really a very sad affair and God help us all 

I hear you Wise, but it's our way to support this lying clown, no matter how he got to where he is, but we're a people of laws that we abide by and when those laws bite, they bite deep; up against the wall mofo! The crime is not collusion, it's treason!!!

I support not a single ounce of this level of ignorance and shame on everyone that does.   never respected this man and now I'm not sure I can respect those that support this level of ignorance.  This was TREASON really he might as well been giving him a blow job on live tv. SMH 

[deusXango]

BallinD, call it giddy, delusional, drinking the Kool Aid, or whatever, but with the madness going on in the league, I'd not be surprised if Kawhi Leonard ended up starting the season with Griffin and Drummond. That's a legit big3 in the east and with Stefanski, Tellem, and Gores recklessness with a buck, it's possible. We can occupy an empty throne!

Reggie Jackson, Jon Leuer, Ish Smith, Langston Galloway, Stanley Johnson, 2020 unprotected first rounder should get enough interest to start a serious conversation. I'm looking at the payroll (absent Leonard) with Griffin, Drummond, Robinson III, Bullock, Kennard, Ellenson, The 2nd Rounders, and the 1 year old men. If we stop making excuses to hold onto RJ for "one more year" and allow THIS F.O. to work whatever magic it has to find a home for these overpriced 2-3rd tier players, we may have the team we all've been dreaming of since "Mad Joe" traded away Chauncey. Since then we all have become complacent with a mediocre front office who made stupid, unimaginative moves. I'm putting the proactive moves in the atmosphere and hope for the best.

[BallinD]

DX: I'm liking FO stuff for the most part. I still think another summer trade is in play for Reggie and Leuer and Galloway. Color me optimistic...at this stage, having seen what I have seen so far.

So this is sure Proof that the Pistons FO reads our PistonsForum?  Or does it simply mean that Great Minds Think Alike?  What about a combination of the two BallinD? Will you buy that?

[deusXango]

So this is sure Proof that the Pistons FO reads our PistonsForum?  Or does it simply mean that Great Minds Think Alike?  What about a combination of the two BallinD? Will you buy that?

[deusXango]

I just can't take this man any longer and for the life of me I just can't understand why people just accept this ****.  Lies on top of lies, stupid on top of stupid on a daily basis and for whatever reason it's okay and no one seems to care.   

This is really a very sad affair and God help us all 

I hear you Wise, but it's our way to support this lying clown, no matter how he got to where he is, but we're a people of laws that we abide by and when those laws bite, they bite deep; up against the wall mofo! The crime is not collusion, it's treason!!!

[BallinD]

So this is sure Proof that the Pistons FO reads our PistonsForum?  Or does it simply mean that Great Minds Think Alike?  Somewhere in between, I would guess.  Can Arnie fix Weggie? Keep Blake on the court?  Book the ECF, since we have our Big-Three on the court, Guaransheed, LOL    

Multiple sources tell the Free Press that former Pistons strength and conditioning coach Arnie Kander is consulting with the organization — and the relationship could turn into a permanent position in the revamped organization.
Anonymity was requested because the relationship isn’t a formal one, but the Pistons have turned to an early sports science pioneer as an extra set of eyes on training methods.
The new front office, under the direction of Ed Stefanski, and new coach Dwane Casey are counting on the health of Griffin and Jackson to return the team to the playoffs after missing out the last two seasons.

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Multiple sources tell the Free Press that former Pistons strength and conditioning coach Arnie Kander is consulting with the organization — and the relationship could turn into a permanent position in the revamped organization.
Anonymity was requested because the relationship isn’t a formal one, but the Pistons have turned to an early sports science pioneer as an extra set of eyes on training methods.
The new front office, under the direction of Ed Stefanski, and new coach Dwane Casey are counting on the health of Griffin and Jackson to return the team to the playoffs after missing out the last two seasons.

[WTF]

I just can't take this man any longer and for the life of me I just can't understand why people just accept this ****.  Lies on top of lies, stupid on top of stupid on a daily basis and for whatever reason it's okay and no one seems to care.   

This is really a very sad affair and God help us all 

[WTF]

Okay when is enough is enough!!!!! Really people!!!!! The Moral Compass is all Fu@ked Up and if this latest displayed doesn't convince everyone something is severely wrong here.

What are you referring to?

Just ignore me I'm venting

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