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Post  Grizz on Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:02 am

Sebastian wrote:Can somebody offer a rational explanation of why the Orlando Summer League venue was the Orlando Magic practice facility? That's note even a regulation-size court.

Sebastian .. It is weird, isnt it ... I dunno .. maybe they dont want the players to get too winded ... Give them all shot of confidence as they whoosh from one end of the court to the other .. ..
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Post  WTF on Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:28 am

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WISEFAN wrote:Come on Don what rookie has any idea about anything at the NBA level? These rookies are all in the beginning learning stages of what the NBA will offer as for as play calling and concepts. You're sounding as if Drummond or any other rookies should already know all these things coming in after 1 year of college ball. Summer League is to prepare him for presesson and preseason is to prepare him for regular season, so it far too early to say what will happen when regular season starts. By that time hopefully he figured a lot of this stuff out and being winded well he just played 4 games in a row which is a rarity in the NBA. I'm sure all the rookies in the league is a little tired about right now.

Wisefan I do not know what I have said that made you this excited and angry with me. I am only providing my observations of what I saw on the floor. I think Drummond has the potential to be great and the Pistons are really lucky that he slipped down so far in the draft. It is fantastic that we have Drummond. But he has a long way to go in the way of learning what it takes to be a consistant effective player. He will find out soon enough. Did you read the comments Knight said about Drummond? This is good. Knight is on Drummond pressuring him to concentrate better. This will come when Drummond gets in better physical condition and becomes stronger. I believe he can be a really good defender and rebounder if he is willing to play that role for the team within the next two or three years. Yet, after this last game against Philly, the announcers interviewed Drummond and mentioned that the coaching staff on the Pistons are projecting him as a starter. That would be great but so much pressure for an 18 year old kid who didn't really have a good college year last season. He likes to be coached and he wants to play with Monroe. I just don't want him to crash and burn losing what confidence he might have by fans placing too much pressure on him. How many 18 year old big men have been able to adjust to the NBA game? Will Drummond be the exception?How about everyone be patient and being willing to wait until he is at least 21 years old before he is declared the second coming of Christ? Right now the player who impressed me the most is English in this draft class. And this second round pick from last season, Kyle Singler, will show all those Duke haters that perhaps a Duke guy wearing a Piston uniform is not so bad after all. I sure wish that Battier could have been a Piston. I say that knowing how much I hated the fact that Battier's Duke team beat Arizona in the NCAA finals.

Hey Don no anger or excitement just thought it was to early for you to say the Kid would get is ass handed to him come regular season. Now I don't think anyone is declaring him the second coming of Christ, like I've said from the beginning is that I would be happy if I get 10pt 10reb from the kid consistently. IMO I think that is something he can do.

I think he has good motivators in both Knight and Monroe and wish we had a true big man coach on the staff like Ewing to work with him offensively. As I also said long before the draft I didn't see any Super Stars in the draft and that statement included Drummond. But you have to admit the Kid even at age 18 has potential to be good, not great but good. His rebound will come, he'll learn to box out and not just depend on his athletic abilities.
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Hot steaming Stuff

Post  WTF on Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:33 am

Oracle wrote:Summer League - WOW, English blew off the doors today, this kid is a keeper. Daye also had yet another great game, 10 pts, 11 boards! I'm now coming around to what DX said, I'd rather have Daye than CV, unless CV has radically changed or something. At least Daye rebounds!!! Middleton also has his 2nd straight good game(8pts, 4 boards). Drummond didn't do a lot, but he only played limited minutes.

On the wire - Scola has been released, but the bidding may be too rich for our blood - Rockets use amnesty clause on forward Scola

Daye is doing this over rookies at Summer League going into his 4th year, I'll still take CV if his healthy.......

If not Scola I would make a pitch for Brand who I think would be a great mentor for Monroe even if its just for one season.
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Post  Oracle on Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:52 am

WISEFAN wrote:
If not Scola I would make a pitch for Brand who I think would be a great mentor for Monroe even if its just for one season.

Brand was snatched up by Dallas!
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the youth movement should accelerate...

Post  frankied on Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:00 pm

this summer league session made it clear what direction the team should go in.
guys like tay and magette should be relegated to minor roles. if it makes him feel better, let tay start, but keep his minutes down to 20-25 per game and let the young guys - singler, daye, JJ, english - scramble for the other 28 minutes.
same thing at the power positions.
obviously, monroe is going to get his 30-35 minutes per game, but give maxiell his 17-20 and then let drummond, gates, macklin and even daye, fight for the rest of the minutes. unleashing the young guys will probably push the tempo and their young legs will definitely add more umphh to the games.
it is great that ben is coming back, but instead of having a regular rotation spot, he should be spotted for certain opponents. because of his reputation, refs allow him to bang against the top guys and that will be great against guys like duncan and brand and howard and bynum and any of the other tough low post guys. but for the rest of the guys, let the young guys play and develop.
i dont think the team will follow this advice, as i expect to see tay get his 35 minutes, ben will get his 18 minutes every game and max may be the only one whose minutes are kept at a reasonable level.
but this is the year where the young guys are ready to contribute and the team could take a giant leap forward if they just go ahead and unleash them.
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hope they keep gates...

Post  frankied on Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:07 pm

gates is going to be an excellent nba rebounder.
he may end up being a specialist his whole career, but he looks like a guy who will always be able to put up solid rebounding numbers and any team can always use a guy like that.
he's got great hands, and you can just see him snare just about anything that comes withing his reach. while he is not quite chris webber - the guy with the best hands i ever saw! - he is similar in that it is hard for anyone to get the ball away from gates once he gets those big paws on the ball.
i hope they find a way to keep him around.
i'd much prefer him to a guy like CV.
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Joe has got to lose some weight

Post  Phil1980boy on Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:58 pm

I don't think there are many people who are as big A Joe Dumars fan as I am. But I have to agree with Cool Breez. Joe has to drop 100 pounds ASAP!

Joe has to be over 300 lbs.

I love Joe and I want to see him be around running the Pistons for the next 20 years. But he will have to drop some weight.

It's time to make that move ASAP!
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Macklin done...

Post  Oracle on Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:41 pm

He leaves with class!!!

Pistons move ahead without forward Vernon Macklin

Sometimes the way thing go makes me react like this...

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I'm Not The Only One Not Impress By Daye's Preseason

Post  WTF on Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:36 pm



Shining examples

A look at the top five players from the summer league in Orlando, Fla. (in alphabetical order):


Alec Burks, G, Jazz

A lottery pick in 2011, Burks had a rough start thanks in part to Pistons G Kim English the first game. But he rebounded the last four days — 17.2 points, 45 percent shooting. Burks showed an improving jumper and was rarely caught in a bad spot. He was aggressive in going to the basket, drawing fouls (got to the free throw line seven times a game).


Austin Daye, F, Pistons

To be fair, he shouldn’t be playing in the summer league, but since he did, he had to show something — and he did. Playing power forward, Daye rarely got overpowered by bigger players and led the Pistons in scoring (15.Cool, rebounding (7.4) and blocks (tied with Andre Drummond, 2.0). His jumper was good and he showed a willingness to draw contact going to the basket. If nothing else, this was a confidence booster.


Andrew Nicholson, F, Magic

He played inside and out, one of the few players who could score on the block and midrange. A four-year college player before being a late first-round pick, Nicholson showed his experience. He never forced the action and averaged around 13 points and seven rebounds.


Lance Stephenson, G, Pacers

Entering his third season, he was the most efficient scorer in the summer league. Stephenson used his wide frame to attack the basket, shedding bigger defenders with ease and averaging 20 points. He’s not a natural point guard, but averaged five assists. His attacking style is something the Pacers need — if he can keep his head on straight.


Jared Sullinger, F-C, Celtics

He always will have critics who claim he’s too short or injury-prone to stick in the NBA. But nobody can deny Sullinger’s ability to go after the ball. He averaged 8.3 rebounds in 28.2 minutes, showing a knack for getting into small creases and muscling his way in. Offensively, he often was double-teamed but still scored with regularity, averaging a shade under 14 points.


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I'm Not The Only One Not Impress By Daye's Preseason

Post  Oracle on Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:08 pm

Wise, while I recognize and agree that if Daye couldn't shine against these guys, he was really done, you also have to recognize that he did excel.

Otherwise, you'll have to file this under "Can't win no matter what you do".
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Respect is EARNED - Austin Daye(and others) Link Oveload

Post  Oracle on Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:21 pm

Austin Daye, Brandon Knight, Kim English win summer league awards

This one is loaded: Detroit Pistons scouting report: How the 11 players on summer league team fared

Austin Daye Rumors & News

USAToday Video - Austin Daye: Orlando Summer League 2012

2012 Orlando Summer League: Austin Daye, Brandon Knight and Kim English rewarded for their play
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Don't start Drummonds right away. Work him into the 5 spot slow.

Post  Phil1980boy on Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:29 pm

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Oracle. Don't be upset that V.Mack did not make the cut. Right now he not good enough to be A Detroit Pistons. His opportunity will come but here.


The starting 5 in the opening game will be B.K.7, Hot Rod Stuckey, T.Prince, Mad Max and The Moose Monroe.Then eventually Drummonds will move into the 5 spot after about 20 games or so.

I don't see no need to rush this kid into A position that's wide open and ready for him to grab.

Same was the Pistons worked Stuckey, B.K.7 and G.Monroe into the flow. Over A period of time. Not from day 1.


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Post  WTF on Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:28 am

Oracle wrote:Wise, while I recognize and agree that if Daye couldn't shine against these guys, he was really done, you also have to recognize that he did excel.

Otherwise, you'll have to file this under "Can't win no matter what you do".

The verdict is still out on Daye until I see this same effort against season pros, he played well but I expected a lot more out of him. Really he needed to be the Durant of summer league light years ahead of everyone else and he just wasn't.

I still saw some of the same mistakes that kept him on the bench all last season.
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Thought Provoking Interview

Post  Grizz on Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:08 am

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I especially liked the point that one reason why MSM Sports reporters do not do whole hell of a lot in uncovering sports corruption is because they see the sports teams as a benefactor from whose trough they feed.
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Bulls Actively Shopping Richard Hamilton

Post  Sebastian on Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:43 pm

Does anyone know the answer to the following question?:

If Rip is traded to another team from the Bulls, are the Pistons responsible for the 80% ($4+ million) remaining from the waiver fee that is currently being paid by Gores as part of Rip's buyout agreement, or will the team that would ultimately have Rip land onto their roster be responsible for the remaining salary owed to Rip.

Thanks to anyone, who can provide the correct answer.

I am curious to know the answer to this question, because if there is a team that would trade for Rip and that team then becomes responsible for his salary, then that could thus reduce the Pistons' salary total.
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Re: FORUM

Post  merc on Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:08 pm

Sebastian wrote:Does anyone know the answer to the following question?:

If Rip is traded to another team from the Bulls, are the Pistons responsible for the 80% ($4+ million) remaining from the waiver fee that is currently being paid by Gores as part of Rip's buyout agreement, or will the team that would ultimately have Rip land onto their roster be responsible for the remaining salary owed to Rip.

Thanks to anyone, who can provide the correct answer.

I am curious to know the answer to this question, because if there is a team that would trade for Rip and that team then becomes responsible for his salary, then that could thus reduce the Pistons' salary total.
We're on the hook for 6 Mil no matter what happens to Rip.
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Macklin

Post  merc on Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:02 pm

After watching all the SL games Macklin did not impress... He was pretty good at getting inside position but was lacking in finishing around the rim... just didn't see anything special there... he was given a chance to excel over young players... Gates seemed to take advantage of the opportunity to earn an invite to preseason camp.
Kravs prolly has the last roster spot locked up with his guaranteed deal.
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Re: FORUM

Post  Sebastian on Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:04 pm

merc wrote:
Sebastian wrote:Does anyone know the answer to the following question?:

If Rip is traded to another team from the Bulls, are the Pistons responsible for the 80% ($4+ million) remaining from the waiver fee that is currently being paid by Gores as part of Rip's buyout agreement, or will the team that would ultimately have Rip land onto their roster be responsible for the remaining salary owed to Rip.

Thanks to anyone, who can provide the correct answer.

I am curious to know the answer to this question, because if there is a team that would trade for Rip and that team then becomes responsible for his salary, then that could thus reduce the Pistons' salary total.
We're on the hook for 6 Mil no matter what happens to Rip.

Thanks, Merc.

If WE never use the Amnesty Provision on Charlie V. and don't play him any, like last season, then the buyout of Rip's contract will have proven to be a bad fiscal decision, because if not Charlie V., then the Amnesty Provision should have been used on Rip's salary, as it is still be counted against OUR cap.

Bad move Joe.
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Re: FORUM

Post  Oracle on Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:34 pm

merc wrote:After watching all the SL games Macklin did not impress... He was pretty good at getting inside position but was lacking in finishing around the rim... just didn't see anything special there... he was given a chance to excel over young players... Gates seemed to take advantage of the opportunity to earn an invite to preseason camp.
Kravs prolly has the last roster spot locked up with his guaranteed deal.

Merc, even Macklin would agree that he didn't do nearly enough to help his cause. However, you really have to ask yourself why it had to come down to this, when we could have made an evaluation with some facts associated with it.

It's not so much this one individual, it's the pattern of the organization, and it's a bad one. It's not fair to players or the team, but it's not just the Pistons, although we are one of the bigger offenders.
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Kidd in trouble... Again

Post  Oracle on Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:22 pm

Knicks' Kidd arrested on DWI charge
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Who do you want as your PG?

Post  Grizz on Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:47 am

Oracle wrote:Knicks' Kidd arrested on DWI charge

Sounds like the Knicks will let J. Lin go to the Rockets .. Personally .. I would take my chances with him vs Felton or Kidd .. admittedly though .. 25 million for 3 years is a good chunk of change... On the other hand CV cost us more than that .. The Knicks are flat out stupid if they do not match the Rockets FA bid.
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Post  lemonpen on Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:37 am

Is it my imagination or are there a lot more players on the move this year.


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Who do you want as your PG?

Post  WTF on Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:11 pm

Grizz wrote:
Oracle wrote:Knicks' Kidd arrested on DWI charge

Sounds like the Knicks will let J. Lin go to the Rockets .. Personally .. I would take my chances with him vs Felton or Kidd .. admittedly though .. 25 million for 3 years is a good chunk of change... On the other hand CV cost us more than that .. The Knicks are flat out stupid if they do not match the Rockets FA bid.

Personally I'm proud of the Knicks and Nets so far this off-season for not falling into the bullshit of Howard and Lin clown show. The smartest thing for the Nets is to roll with Williams, Johnson, Wallace and Lopez learn to play as a team and they'll be just fine.

This Lin hyoe stuff just has to stop, and NY is smart to let him walk. The kidd has not proving anything that say's he currently deserve that money. Not sure if Houston signed him to fans in the seat or because he actually make the team better. NY has enough talent on the team to be competitive in the East and Kidd is a good stabilizing piece to their puzzle. Remember how well they played before letting CB go, if not the Knicks remember and that is why they signed Kidd. The Knicks were a team without a brain no they have one.
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Andre Drummond

Post  lemonpen on Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:15 pm

I don’t believe we were given the straight skinny about Drummond. He was made out to be nearly inept on the offensive end. To the contrary he appeared to have pretty good natural instincts. In the opportunities generated around the basket Andre made what I thought were proper shot attempts for the level of defensive resistance faced. He tried to dunk when challenged, settled for finger rolls when there was no resistance, and shot short jumpers when his path to the rim was shut off. There was one play where he contorted his body through the path of least resistance and attempted a lefty layup cause that was the open side. I guess I’m pleased that he doesn’t try to hammer dunk every shot from the paint (like one undersize PF we have witnessed).

Looking forward to seeing how much change there has been come October.
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Spots on a Lepard or Stripes on a Zebra

Post  lemonpen on Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:21 pm

Yeah, Daye shot well against the babies but, there were still some of the same problems.

- He is still a 6 foot shooting guard at heart trapped in a 6’11” frame and ain’t about to play to his height.
- He unfortunately doesn’t have the handle to be much more than a tall catch & shoot guy on the perimeter, and Big Shot Bob he aint.
- His defensive first step remains glllllaaaccciiiaaalll.
- When caught inside he is a AND1 foul about to be whistled. Don’t be fooled by the recent “stretch 4” talk cause the L ain’t full of John Hensons at PF.

I hope his showcasing works in the form of a ticket outta here.
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