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Post  Phil1980boy on Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:42 am

I hold Gores totally responsible for the current state of the Detroit Pistons.

Year after year, Orders are forced upon management to make the "playoffs" be "competitive" try to "win "win" "win"


Yet all the teams who started the rebuilding process have steadily passed or are currently passing the Pistons. Denver, Miami, Philadelphia, Brooklyn, Atlanta, soon to be NY Knicks, Milwaukee, Dallas, Boston, LA Lakers, LA Clippers, Sacramento..

In my opinion, the Detroit Pistons legacy has been lost. Year after year Gores settles for A shot at making the 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs. Not one time has Gores ever mention CHAMPIONSHIP!!!


A great disservice has been done to Detroit Pistons fans. The Standard of quality around the Pistons has fell off since Mr. Davison passed away. For the First time in my life the Detroit Pistons don't have A hall of fame owner and I totally see the difference.


I place all blame on Gores Shoulders and I hope he wakes up and gets his S.H.I.T together.
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Post  Sparma on Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:19 pm

I'd certainly go for the first one, Murph. Why not?

Torn on the second one. There's quite a good chance that come next July we'd be asking how we could have passed on that. On the other hand, if Bullock resigned for 30 mil and 3 (or even somewhat more), we'd be relieved to have passed on it. I'm hoping someone in the Pistons front office has a better bead on the probabilities of Bullock resigning than I do. Because the sensibility of a slew of trades involving him turns on that.

Murph wrote:Ish to the Bucks for Donte DiVincenzo and Effin Jody Meeks' expiring contact.

Or Ish and Bullock for DiVincenzo, a 1st rounder and Meek's expiring contract.
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Post  Murph on Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:15 am

Ish to the Bucks for Donte DiVincenzo and Effin Jody Meeks' expiring contact.

Or Ish and Bullock for DiVincenzo, a 1st rounder and Meek's expiring contract.
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ZaZa was the best Piston big man against Atlanta - zero margin for error for the Pistons even against bottom feeders

Post  cool breeze on Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:04 pm

Maybe it is the flu bug. Let's give them an out for this game because if we don't, all is lost.
Somehow Galloway managed to get hot at the right time and brought the Pistons back from a double digit hole. Then he missed that layup but then Galloway is a specialist like many players on this Piston team.

The time has passed for winning teams to bank on one or two players to go one on one with the game on the line. To win, there must be some teamwork and some idea coming out of timeouts whee the team looks like a real team instead of a group of 5 players who are playing a pick up game. Will it be Reggie Jackson or Blake Griffin who scores the points that make a difference? What if Dwayne Casey actually had a plan for success? I see no plays coming out of timeouts. Just improvise as best you can if you are Reggie Jackson or Blake Griffin. The rest of the crew should take on no responsibility it seems. Why is that? Why are things so simple with this team. Is the overall basketball IQ of this Piston team so low that no screens or movement without the ball by the three insignificant players who are on the floor with the two heroes can impact anything at all? I see that whenever the non heroes do touch the ball, they give it up as if their hands are being burned by the contact. What is this? I am not supposed to be a factor in crunch time. That is not my role. It is the role of RJ and BG to win it all. I feel sorry for everyone who actually spent the money and time to go to the arena and watch the Pistons in this last game. They were pitiful. The game plan was pitiful. Allowing Atlanta players to out work and out smart our players was a pitiful sight.

Like I suggested, the Pistons margin of error is extremely low. We do not have the top players in the NBA for sure. The team chemistry on the floor with the starting unit is not good at all. That group got the Pistons in a hole from the get go. The coaches cannot play the game. But they might be able to create a better offense that is not so one on one dominated. The coaches need to analysis who the players are that they are coaching and fit an offense and defense which will work the best. But instead Dwayne Casey is determined that this group will play his offense exactly like the players he coached in Toronto played. There were better skill players at the guard positions and small forward position. I would play the players who give the best effort on defense. The players who give the best effort can change the team chemistry for the better. Just throwing out specialists who are shooters only guarantees that your team will occasionally lose to a team like Atlanta. This franchise is trying to lose as many games as possible while the people who run the Pistons franchise are in a position financially where they must make a team without the necessary talent or will become winners. But then maybe it is the flu bug. There is too much pressure on Blake and Reggie. There is no offense being run. All 5 players on the opposing team can concentrate of two Piston players. The coach has not created any system where Blake and Reggie can take advantage of so much concentration on them. I didn't see any of the other 3 players on the floor doing much of anything productive relating to getting their asses open to take pressure off the two designated heroes. This is a dumb team using predictable strategy.

Merry Christmas to all including the Piston players who must be really down after this loss to perhaps the worst team in the NBA.

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Post  Sparma on Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:10 pm

Great ranting, BD, in the original and in the follow up.

I couldn't watch this afternoon, but could watch the debacle this evening, or a movie. Hmm.

Don, maybe we can agree that Stanley will be a really good NBA player if he becomes a good shooter from distance. Derrick Rose shows that massive improvement in distant shooting can be accomplished. Stanley's too young to write off. Clearly, our assessments of him in the present diverge.

What a laundry list of shortcomings on this team.

The oldest player on the court lights it up while our most promising youngster gets both knees iced? What going on? You can't make this stuff up.

And that's it until after Christmas. I'm guessing these Pistons have put only one forumite in a celebratory mood.

Still: Merry Christmas/ Happy Holidays to all.


BallinD wrote:It's Time For A Primal Scream.  This is a bad joke for those of us who remember what winning Piston basketball looks like.  Lately, the past few years, we've seen flashes of goodness.  It is inexplicable.  Why is it never sustainable?

Exhibit A, B, C...

A. Josh Smith was stretched, meanwhile Paul Milsap, who some of us wanted instead of "Smoove" is still a valuable piece, four years later.  Brandon Jennings tore up the league balling out for the Stones, then tore his achilles.  Disaster. We had DJ Augustine playing his ass off, but we had to have the Weggie, the Malcontent Who Thinks He Is Better Than Westbrook, but he ain't.

B. We made the playoffs:  As Sheed would say "both teams played hard," but we know "Ball Don't Lie." SVG mortgaged future prospects to gameplan for Kevin Love, giving us John-freaking Leuer.  Boban and Langston and Avery Bradley followed as Detroit continued to be the place where formerly competent players/shooters go to die.

C. Reload not Rebuild, was Dumars' excuse.  Gores took that idea to his breast, along with Drummond and Weggie and whispered it into SVG's ear. Let Moose walk and then KCP walk and don't even try to get a pick moving forward, cause we religiously sell our picks; that's what we do when Reload not Rebuild.

So we're reloading; good; and old man Stephanski smiled knowing it would buy him time to put his fingerprints all over another next few years of competent? mediocrity, meaning maybe we can be a .500 team and sneak into the playoffs on Blake's broad shoulders.  Casey, thought: "yeah, two all-stars and broken Weggie.  I can fix him, fix this."

And here we are: Can't trade Weggie cause we can't get equal value (hello! You never will).  He's a one-trick-pony, pick & roll; dribble dribble, probe, probe, wait-for-it, wait-for-it, oh we're still waiting.  But the burst is gone, the decision-making and shooting was never stellar, but now is woeful, attitude was never good, now it's almost irrelevant because the ball is out of his hands, per Casey's decree.  The great Weggie, Mr. Clutch, Mr. 4th quarter, sulks on the bench while 37-year-old Jose Calderone finishes games for the Coach of the Year." Why? Cause he can't be trusted to make the right play, find the shooters in rhythm, not look off his teamates, refuse the screen, then hoist another clank, but instead go HeroBaller 1 vs 3, and heave ho! more often than not.

What can be done?  Do we waste possibly the best year of Blake's career while we nibble around the edges and seriously consider trading our best shooter, who was second in the league from 3 last year and will likely command a premium, while we want to keep SJ because he plays pretty good defense, this for the worst shooting team in the league, with one of the worst offensive schemes and the results to prove it.  It's Not The Defense Dufus (not calling this forum Dufus) .  We lost to Charlotte 98-86, but all they can talk about is defensive lapses? while our worst shooter (Drummond) leads us with 18 shot attempts. 3 of our worst shooters (Weggie/Dre/SJ) hoist more 3s in that game than Bullock and Kennard, our sgs.  SMH  facepalm It's a pattern folks, a prescription for mediocrity, Casey!  

Meanwhile Zach Lowe recently stated that Weggie was "possibly the most selfish player in the league."  Casey, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.  Meanwhile the Atlanta Hawks are stealing our lunch money today!

Available PGs: Darren Collison, Corey Joseph, Yogi Ferrrell, Jeremy Lin, Frank Nicotine, Brandon Knight, and so it goes as we Reload rather than Rebuild.  The shitshow that keeps on giving.

Phil1980boy wrote:NBA trade rumor says nobody want's Reggie Jackson unless A first round pick is attached to any deal. And the Pistons are not willing to do that. And Dame well, they should not be willing to give away A first round pick to delete A BUM off the team.

Reggie Jackson demeanor is terrible. The Stan Van Gundy error was A disaster. This current owner is TERRIBLE and I wish he would sale the team. I wish I had the money to buy the Pistons. I would set this thing right.

No more pushing to make the silly playoffs. Lose, draft well, rebuild, develop, coach, scout and trust the process.

In the NBA. The worst thing you can do is what the Pistons owner Gores is doing. Try to force feed your team into winning. Without drafting well and being patient. To you Gores I say... You have been A terrible owner. And you have no clue what your doing.
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Post  Murph on Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:23 pm

Wow. That's a stream of consciousness worthy of a Jack Kerouac novel. Great post.

BallinD wrote:It's Time For A Primal Scream.  This is a bad joke for those of us who remember what winning Piston basketball looks like.  Lately, the past few years, we've seen flashes of goodness.  It is inexplicable.  Why is it never sustainable?

Exhibit A, B, C...

A. Josh Smith was stretched, meanwhile Paul Milsap, who some of us wanted instead of "Smoove" is still a valuable piece, four years later.  Brandon Jennings tore up the league balling out for the Stones, then tore his achilles.  Disaster. We had DJ Augustine playing his ass off, but we had to have the Weggie, the Malcontent Who Thinks He Is Better Than Westbrook, but he ain't.

B. We made the playoffs:  As Sheed would say "both teams played hard," but we know "Ball Don't Lie." SVG mortgaged future prospects to gameplan for Kevin Love, giving us John-freaking Leuer.  Boban and Langston and Avery Bradley followed as Detroit continued to be the place where formerly competent players/shooters go to die.

C. Reload not Rebuild, was Dumars' excuse.  Gores took that idea to his breast, along with Drummond and Weggie and whispered it into SVG's ear. Let Moose walk and then KCP walk and don't even try to get a pick moving forward, cause we religiously sell our picks; that's what we do when Reload not Rebuild.

So we're reloading; good; and old man Stephanski smiled knowing it would buy him time to put his fingerprints all over another next few years of competent? mediocrity, meaning maybe we can be a .500 team and sneak into the playoffs on Blake's broad shoulders.  Casey, thought: "yeah, two all-stars and broken Weggie.  I can fix him, fix this."

And here we are: Can't trade Weggie cause we can't get equal value (hello! You never will).  He's a one-trick-pony, pick & roll; dribble dribble, probe, probe, wait-for-it, wait-for-it, oh we're still waiting.  But the burst is gone, the decision-making and shooting was never stellar, but now is woeful, attitude was never good, now it's almost irrelevant because the ball is out of his hands, per Casey's decree.  The great Weggie, Mr. Clutch, Mr. 4th quarter, sulks on the bench while 37-year-old Jose Calderone finishes games for the Coach of the Year." Why? Cause he can't be trusted to make the right play, find the shooters in rhythm, not look off his teamates, refuse the screen, then hoist another clank, but instead go HeroBaller 1 vs 3, and heave ho! more often than not.

What can be done?  Do we waste possibly the best year of Blake's career while we nibble around the edges and seriously consider trading our best shooter, who was second in the league from 3 last year and will likely command a premium, while we want to keep SJ because he plays pretty good defense, this for the worst shooting team in the league, with one of the worst offensive schemes and the results to prove it.  It's Not The Defense Dufus (not calling this forum Dufus) .  We lost to Charlotte 98-86, but all they can talk about is defensive lapses? while our worst shooter (Drummond) leads us with 18 shot attempts. 3 of our worst shooters (Weggie/Dre/SJ) hoist more 3s in that game than Bullock and Kennard, our sgs.  SMH  facepalm It's a pattern folks, a prescription for mediocrity, Casey!  

Meanwhile Zach Lowe recently stated that Weggie was "possibly the most selfish player in the league."  Casey, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.  Meanwhile the Atlanta Hawks are stealing our lunch money today!

Available PGs: Darren Collison, Corey Joseph, Yogi Ferrrell, Jeremy Lin, Frank Nicotine, Brandon Knight, and so it goes as we Reload rather than Rebuild.  The shitshow that keeps on giving.

Phil1980boy wrote:NBA trade rumor says nobody want's Reggie Jackson unless A first round pick is attached to any deal. And the Pistons are not willing to do that. And Dame well, they should not be willing to give away A first round pick to delete A BUM off the team.

Reggie Jackson demeanor is terrible. The Stan Van Gundy error was A disaster. This current owner is TERRIBLE and I wish he would sale the team. I wish I had the money to buy the Pistons. I would set this thing right.

No more pushing to make the silly playoffs. Lose, draft well, rebuild, develop, coach, scout and trust the process.

In the NBA. The worst thing you can do is what the Pistons owner Gores is doing. Try to force feed your team into winning. Without drafting well and being patient. To you Gores I say... You have been A terrible owner. And you have no clue what your doing.
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Screw It!

Post  BallinD on Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:59 pm

CORRECTION:  Trade them all!  The Titanic is taking on water.  Screw It!  Peace on Earth Goodwill to men...except the Pistons.  They get a lump of coal!  They've earned it!  It won't buy them peace of mind after this latest Debacle!

No FTs, No Peace!  No Passion and Pride, No Peace.  No brains, No Peace!  No Coaching, No Peace!  No Shooting, No Peace! A  lump of coal for every damn one of them! My 42 wins prediction looks wildly optimistic. 

BallinD wrote:It's Time For A Primal Scream.  This is a bad joke for those of us who remember what winning Piston basketball looks like.  Lately, the past few years, we've seen flashes of goodness.  It is inexplicable.  Why is it never sustainable?

Exhibit A, B, C...

A. Josh Smith was stretched, meanwhile Paul Milsap, who some of us wanted instead of "Smoove" is still a valuable piece, four years later.  Brandon Jennings tore up the league balling out for the Stones, then tore his achilles.  Disaster. We had DJ Augustine playing his ass off, but we had to have the Weggie, the Malcontent Who Thinks He Is Better Than Westbrook, but he ain't.

B. We made the playoffs:  As Sheed would say "both teams played hard," but we know "Ball Don't Lie." SVG mortgaged future prospects to gameplan for Kevin Love, giving us John-freaking Leuer.  Boban and Langston and Avery Bradley followed as Detroit continued to be the place where formerly competent players/shooters go to die.

C. Reload not Rebuild, was Dumars' excuse.  Gores took that idea to his breast, along with Drummond and Weggie and whispered it into SVG's ear. Let Moose walk and then KCP walk and don't even try to get a pick moving forward, cause we religiously sell our picks; that's what we do when Reload not Rebuild.

So we're reloading; good; and old man Stephanski smiled knowing it would buy him time to put his fingerprints all over another next few years of competent? mediocrity, meaning maybe we can be a .500 team and sneak into the playoffs on Blake's broad shoulders.  Casey, thought: "yeah, two all-stars and broken Weggie.  I can fix him, fix this."

And here we are: Can't trade Weggie cause we can't get equal value (hello! You never will).  He's a one-trick-pony, pick & roll; dribble dribble, probe, probe, wait-for-it, wait-for-it, oh we're still waiting.  But the burst is gone, the decision-making and shooting was never stellar, but now is woeful, attitude was never good, now it's almost irrelevant because the ball is out of his hands, per Casey's decree.  The great Weggie, Mr. Clutch, Mr. 4th quarter, sulks on the bench while 37-year-old Jose Calderone finishes games for the Coach of the Year." Why? Cause he can't be trusted to make the right play, find the shooters in rhythm, not look off his teamates, refuse the screen, then hoist another clank, but instead go HeroBaller 1 vs 3, and heave ho! more often than not.

What can be done?  Do we waste possibly the best year of Blake's career while we nibble around the edges and seriously consider trading our best shooter, who was second in the league from 3 last year and will likely command a premium, while we want to keep SJ because he plays pretty good defense, this for the worst shooting team in the league, with one of the worst offensive schemes and the results to prove it.  It's Not The Defense Dufus (not calling this forum Dufus) .  We lost to Charlotte 98-86, but all they can talk about is defensive lapses? while our worst shooter (Drummond) leads us with 18 shot attempts. 3 of our worst shooters (Weggie/Dre/SJ) hoist more 3s in that game than Bullock and Kennard, our sgs.  SMH  facepalm It's a pattern folks, a prescription for mediocrity, Casey!  

Meanwhile Zach Lowe recently stated that Weggie was "possibly the most selfish player in the league."  Casey, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.  Meanwhile the Atlanta Hawks are stealing our lunch money today!

Available PGs: Darren Collison, Corey Joseph, Yogi Ferrrell, Jeremy Lin, Frank Nicotine, Brandon Knight, and so it goes as we Reload rather than Rebuild.  The shitshow that keeps on giving.

Phil1980boy wrote:NBA trade rumor says nobody want's Reggie Jackson unless A first round pick is attached to any deal. And the Pistons are not willing to do that. And Dame well, they should not be willing to give away A first round pick to delete A BUM off the team.

Reggie Jackson demeanor is terrible. The Stan Van Gundy error was A disaster. This current owner is TERRIBLE and I wish he would sale the team. I wish I had the money to buy the Pistons. I would set this thing right.

No more pushing to make the silly playoffs. Lose, draft well, rebuild, develop, coach, scout and trust the process.

In the NBA. The worst thing you can do is what the Pistons owner Gores is doing. Try to force feed your team into winning. Without drafting well and being patient. To you Gores I say... You have been A terrible owner. And you have no clue what your doing.
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Post  BallinD on Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:47 pm

It's Time For A Primal Scream.  This is a bad joke for those of us who remember what winning Piston basketball looks like.  Lately, the past few years, we've seen flashes of goodness.  It is inexplicable.  Why is it never sustainable?

Exhibit A, B, C...

A. Josh Smith was stretched, meanwhile Paul Milsap, who some of us wanted instead of "Smoove" is still a valuable piece, four years later.  Brandon Jennings tore up the league balling out for the Stones, then tore his achilles.  Disaster. We had DJ Augustine playing his ass off, but we had to have the Weggie, the Malcontent Who Thinks He Is Better Than Westbrook, but he ain't.

B. We made the playoffs:  As Sheed would say "both teams played hard," but we know "Ball Don't Lie." SVG mortgaged future prospects to gameplan for Kevin Love, giving us John-freaking Leuer.  Boban and Langston and Avery Bradley followed as Detroit continued to be the place where formerly competent players/shooters go to die.

C. Reload not Rebuild, was Dumars' excuse.  Gores took that idea to his breast, along with Drummond and Weggie and whispered it into SVG's ear. Let Moose walk and then KCP walk and don't even try to get a pick moving forward, cause we religiously sell our picks; that's what we do when Reload not Rebuild.

So we're reloading; good; and old man Stephanski smiled knowing it would buy him time to put his fingerprints all over another next few years of competent? mediocrity, meaning maybe we can be a .500 team and sneak into the playoffs on Blake's broad shoulders.  Casey, thought: "yeah, two all-stars and broken Weggie.  I can fix him, fix this."

And here we are: Can't trade Weggie cause we can't get equal value (hello! You never will).  He's a one-trick-pony, pick & roll; dribble dribble, probe, probe, wait-for-it, wait-for-it, oh we're still waiting.  But the burst is gone, the decision-making and shooting was never stellar, but now is woeful, attitude was never good, now it's almost irrelevant because the ball is out of his hands, per Casey's decree.  The great Weggie, Mr. Clutch, Mr. 4th quarter, sulks on the bench while 37-year-old Jose Calderone finishes games for the Coach of the Year." Why? Cause he can't be trusted to make the right play, find the shooters in rhythm, not look off his teamates, refuse the screen, then hoist another clank, but instead go HeroBaller 1 vs 3, and heave ho! more often than not.

What can be done?  Do we waste possibly the best year of Blake's career while we nibble around the edges and seriously consider trading our best shooter, who was second in the league from 3 last year and will likely command a premium, while we want to keep SJ because he plays pretty good defense, this for the worst shooting team in the league, with one of the worst offensive schemes and the results to prove it.  It's Not The Defense Dufus (not calling this forum Dufus) .  We lost to Charlotte 98-86, but all they can talk about is defensive lapses? while our worst shooter (Drummond) leads us with 18 shot attempts. 3 of our worst shooters (Weggie/Dre/SJ) hoist more 3s in that game than Bullock and Kennard, our sgs.  SMH  facepalm It's a pattern folks, a prescription for mediocrity, Casey!  

Meanwhile Zach Lowe recently stated that Weggie was "possibly the most selfish player in the league."  Casey, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.  Meanwhile the Atlanta Hawks are stealing our lunch money today!

Available PGs: Darren Collison, Corey Joseph, Yogi Ferrrell, Jeremy Lin, Frank Nicotine, Brandon Knight, and so it goes as we Reload rather than Rebuild.  The shitshow that keeps on giving.

Phil1980boy wrote:NBA trade rumor says nobody want's Reggie Jackson unless A first round pick is attached to any deal. And the Pistons are not willing to do that. And Dame well, they should not be willing to give away A first round pick to delete A BUM off the team.

Reggie Jackson demeanor is terrible. The Stan Van Gundy error was A disaster. This current owner is TERRIBLE and I wish he would sale the team. I wish I had the money to buy the Pistons. I would set this thing right.

No more pushing to make the silly playoffs. Lose, draft well, rebuild, develop, coach, scout and trust the process.

In the NBA. The worst thing you can do is what the Pistons owner Gores is doing. Try to force feed your team into winning. Without drafting well and being patient. To you Gores I say... You have been A terrible owner. And you have no clue what your doing.
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Post  cool breeze on Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:33 pm

Sparma wrote:The tough thing with Bullock is knowing the probability of his return, as you indicate, Murph.  If it's 10% or less, and there's already a clear sense about it, then you've got to trade him while the market is hot.  I'm guessing Philly would be happy to go for that Bullock/ Ish/ 2nd rounder for Fultz trade that they evidently snubbed last week, before Bullock broke his career high two games in a row.  At this point, I'm greedy and would want more, a decent 1st rounder.  Really, I don't want him traded at all.  Among the conditions, I mentioned above, I'm guessing the one that's missing now is clarity now about the future probability.

Don: "Last night Johnson was not a scorer. He was one of the few players who created shots for his teammates. This is a good idea."  Can't disagree with the first sentence, Don, but it wasn't for want of trying, what with 4 missed 3s in the first half.  He did tone it down after a good long rest.  My hunch is that Casey, maybe for the first time this season, conveyed a message to him after 4 long misses in the first half.  (Reasons to infer this?: a) he sat him for a long time, b) Stanley can't shoot from distance, so it's just reasonable to call for some restraint (he's like at .298 for the season and .296 for his career) c) Stanley played differently once he finally got back in the second half.)

Don: "What I like this season about this team is that they show that they really want to win every game and they play much harder than over the past two seasons."   I like their increased effort too, Don, although the coach had a point in complaining about last night's effort.  Somehow they still made it close at one point.


The Pistons margin for error is extremely low. All players must be on board with the idea that they must play with a chip on their shoulders every night knowing their margin for error is razor thin. Nothing should be taken for granted which means that every player must study video of the next opponent, the player they will be guarding, and understand all options available within Casey's offense before each game starts. What I see a lot of is lack of mental preparation by players who just show up and hope their long distance shot falls from night to night. What is the defense giving each player? Are they giving up a weak side 7 foot jump shot? If so, then players like Galloway who often shoots contested 3 point shots needs to find the open man and give the ball up. You mentioned Johnson's 3 point shooting and his percentage. Please notice in the next game that Johnson rarely if ever shoots a contested 3 point shot unless it is at the end of the shot clock. He plays smart so I can live with his misses because he has to keep shooting when he is wide open. The Suns have two young guys like Johnson who shot horribly from beyond the 3 point line last season and now their percentages have greatly increased. It is only a matter of time for Johnson. Notice in the last game our Pistons won, Johnson hit 3 or 4 three pointers in a row in the 2nd half. If he starts making the mid range and 3 point shots, then he will be able to score a lot more by driving the ball to the hoop. Opposing teams respect Johnson's ability to drive and are giving him those open looks. That is my belief and of course you have your opinion which I respect but hope the coach will live with Johnson's misses because he plays physical hard nosed defense, sets screens and rebounds.

Other players who play ahead of him like Galloway have very limited skills other than at times getting hot from the 3 point line. This team relies on making low percentage contested 3 point shots too much. Too many players who command the bulk of the playing time are ineffective defenders who often give up more points than they score. That is why the margin of error is so razor thin for this Piston team. I wish that this coach could develop more player and ball movement and feature more weak side scoring. If players like Reggie Jackson and AD can cut down on lazy turnovers and understand that every possession is important, that reduces the risk of losing as well. Detroit is guilty of shooting themselves in the foot with stupid mistakes because of mental errors but the encouraging thing is that they were much worse over the previous two seasons in that area. The Pistons goal this year should be to win 50% of the games they play against who have winning records. The Pistons are beating the bottom feeders so far and have occasionally beaten playoff teams, but often they have made too many mistakes to win games in the 4th quarter. Right now I do not believe we really know what kind of team the Pistons will be in March and April. They could fall flat as a pancake like in previous seasons or start consistently winning both at home and away.

I like the energy Bruce Brown brings to the Pistons. I think that Thomas has some of that spunk in him as well. Brown does not lack confidence. It shows on both offense and defense. I want less of Langston Galloway and and more of Brown and Thomas. It is great when the Pistons have both Johnson and Brown in the game at the same time. They get everyone playing much harder because of the energy they both give the team unselfishly.

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Post  Phil1980boy on Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:32 am

NBA trade rumor says nobody want's Reggie Jackson unless A first round pick is attached to any deal. And the Pistons are not willing to do that. And Dame well, they should not be willing to give away A first round pick to delete A BUM off the team.

Reggie Jackson demeanor is terrible. The Stan Van Gundy error was A disaster. This current owner is TERRIBLE and I wish he would sale the team. I wish I had the money to buy the Pistons. I would set this thing right.


No more pushing to make the silly playoffs. Lose, draft well, rebuild, develop, coach, scout and trust the process.


In the NBA. The worst thing you can do is what the Pistons owner Gores is doing. Try to force feed your team into winning. Without drafting well and being patient. To you Gores I say.. thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down You have been A terrible owner. And you have no clue what your doing.
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Bullock trade, Stanley, Team

Post  Sparma on Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:35 pm

The tough thing with Bullock is knowing the probability of his return, as you indicate, Murph. If it's 10% or less, and there's already a clear sense about it, then you've got to trade him while the market is hot. I'm guessing Philly would be happy to go for that Bullock/ Ish/ 2nd rounder for Fultz trade that they evidently snubbed last week, before Bullock broke his career high two games in a row. At this point, I'm greedy and would want more, a decent 1st rounder. Really, I don't want him traded at all. Among the conditions, I mentioned above, I'm guessing the one that's missing now is clarity now about the future probability.

Don: "Last night Johnson was not a scorer. He was one of the few players who created shots for his teammates. This is a good idea." Can't disagree with the first sentence, Don, but it wasn't for want of trying, what with 4 missed 3s in the first half. He did tone it down after a good long rest. My hunch is that Casey, maybe for the first time this season, conveyed a message to him after 4 long misses in the first half. (Reasons to infer this?: a) he sat him for a long time, b) Stanley can't shoot from distance, so it's just reasonable to call for some restraint (he's like at .298 for the season and .296 for his career) c) Stanley played differently once he finally got back in the second half.)

Don: "What I like this season about this team is that they show that they really want to win every game and they play much harder than over the past two seasons." I like their increased effort too, Don, although the coach had a point in complaining about last night's effort. Somehow they still made it close at one point.

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Ish and Bullock

Post  Murph on Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:43 am

Don't get me wrong, I like Reggie Bullock.  But he's an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.  There is nothing to say that he would re-sign with us, even if the Pistons could afford him.  Why wouldn't he cash in on his new found success and go to a contender or a warmer climate?  And there is no way we can afford Bullock AND Stanley Johnson.  IMO, the Pistons should focus on the younger, better defender in Johnson, and try to sign him to a LT contract.  And Johnson is restricted, not unrestricted.


That said, the Pistons should look to trade Ish and/or Bullock to a contender.  There is no way that one or both of those two players could not help a contender like Philly win in the playoffs.  

I understand that Philly doesn't want to give up on Fultz, and to be truthful, Fultz is probably too big a risk health wise for us to take on.  But what about Shamet and filler?  Or what about a 1st rounder and filler for Ish and/or Bullock?

Let's get something for those guys.  Let's not just let them walk away like KCP, because he can't afford to brink them back.

Trade proposal:  Ish and Bullock for Shamet, a 1st rounder and Muscala, with the understanding that we'll cut Muscala and let him return to Philly for the veterans minimum.
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Strategy to beat Charlotte for Pistons

Post  cool breeze on Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:30 am

First off everyone needs to be healthy. We fans never know what eh real story is regarding health issues from game to game with our players. But with that said, to beat this team, Detroit needs to have there best defenders in the game if the game is close. in this last game, Detroit was able to get the game in range to win. But AD didn't come out to defend Walker after he blew around Bullock.To me Bullock was not a factor on offense during crunch time. Therefore, Casey should have played Brown. Then Johnson and Brown could possibly made it tougher for Charlotte to score. However, the Pistons had no active big men to provide any resistance on pick and roll plays. That is what Charlotte identified as Detroit's biggest weakness. In Bullock's defense, you have to have a big man who communicates with the guard when playing defense. That didn't happen. Also, if Reggie Bullock is in the game during crunch time, plays have to be created so he touches the ball. It can't be all Reggie Jackson and Blake. The Pistons were not creative. They were predictable when it mattered most. But with that said, I think the Pistons can solve some of the problems that have prevented them to get on another winning streak.

Last night Johnson was not a scorer. He was one of the few players who created shots for his teammates. This is a good idea. The Pistons need one player on the floor who is not just a one on one player trying to get his shot. The other guy who is doing a lot for his teammates and playing unselfishly is Jon Leuer. It appears that Jon has turned himself into a much better team orientated player than he was in previous seasons. He is rotating well on defense unlike AD and BG. He is able to score close to the basket as well but what I like best is his movement on offense where he is setting screens off the ball. When the Pistons get everyone involved in the offense, they are hard to beat. When they resort to forcing things with one on one play too much, the entire team gets out of sync. The Pistons need more minutes from Brown and less minutes from Langston Galloway unless Galloway is shooting the ball extremely well. Dwayne Casey continues to experiment with lineups. I hope he settles on avoiding playing three players at the same time who cannot defend well. the team can hide on player in crunch time who is an ineffective defender but not two or three players.

What I like this season about this team is that they show that they really want to win every game and they play much harder than over the past two seasons. After the holidays, I hope they get tougher instead of weaker as they have done over the past two seasons. I don't think that will happen but time will tell. I am not wishing any trades at this time.

To all Piston fans, Happy Holidays and good luck.

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Post  Phil1980boy on Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:32 am

Sooooo.. New management. What are you going to do with this team?

Back of the line team. End of the bag of bread team. Last shot of soda in the bottle team.

Don't do anything crazy. Don't mortgage the future...
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Post  Sparma on Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:44 pm

Courageous night for a sick AD, getting 17 & 16.

Calderon hit three 3s in a row, but the second didn't count because it got off a split second late.

Reggie B off to a slow start but he ended up with a credible performance.

(btw, Stanley 0-4 from 3 (ending up 1-6) by the the time Reggie B went 1-2 from deep. I had the feeling Casey had seen enough because he pulled him for a long while.)

Reggie B served as more of a pivot than I've seen, with a couple of nice passes inside to Andre. Respecting his shooting, Charlotte left some space for others, and for a while it looked like Reggie/ the Pistons could exploit.

But a shortfall in his game came to the fore. That the hardest I've seen a team defend against him, and it looked like he had a lot of trouble dribbling out of trouble. He's good with the quick passes, but not so much with the passes out of trouble.

Kemba repeatedly torched Reggie B, making quick moves that left him five feet clear of his defender. No surprise there, but why did Reggie B continue to defend him late in the game? Reggie J was out there. I get that Reggie J's no match, but isn't Reggie B like 7 inches taller than Kemba and much slower? I don't think it's fair to expose him against Kemba; as coach, you've got to try something different.

And what the heck's going on with Kennard?

It's getting annoying losing to what seems to be a pretty ordinary Charlotte team, but one that's handed it to us repeatedly.
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Bullock and $$

Post  Sparma on Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:17 pm

I'd loved to see Bullock resigned.

That said, there are lots of twists and turns to this story.

Is it possible that the Pistons know that Bullock is very likely out of their reach, so that company man Langlois contributes to the either/or (Reggie/ Stanley) narrative as a face saving out? It's not just a matter of whether the Pistons are willing to offer the 12.5 Beard mentions (and performances like the last two games might quickly make that a low estimate). Maybe there's no space for Bullock in, say, LA, but he'd prefer to take the money and go to Miami and Phoenix? Might the team already have a sense of this, so the spin's started early?

I agree with Lemonpen that this is the time for Gores to back his financial promises (to SVG) and pay the luxury tax. No big deal, in a way, for a billionaire. Let's say they give Reggie B a huge offer (eg 45 mil for 3 years) and they resign Stanley for a big amount (eg 36 mil for 4 years). So what? It's one thing if you thing you've got great alternative possibility with that $$, but that seems doubtful.

Reggie B's exactly the kind of player they need, a genuinely complementary guy (incidentally, I'm starting to wonder if Kennard can play that role; it was with Blake out that he played like gangbusters) who excels in an area of huge need. As you say, BallinD, he's a willing pass (if not a creative one) and a serviceable defender. Why not go all out to get him?

Besides (I'd need to check), doesn't Smith's 5 mil finally come off the books in '20? And Reggie's got a year to go beyond this. So the luxury tax hit could just be temporary, a year long.

Still, I'm wondering if Gores's pride gets in the way. Wasn't SVG's message something like when the time comes Gores will be all in? If at the end of the season we're on the margins of the playoffs, either just in or just out, maybe Gores will feel the time hasn't come. We're heard sneering comments about the pay roll, tied to purported minimal expectations. I'm guessing that Gores feels the pressure of coming across as a smart business person. Going into luxury tax territory for a mediocre team opens him to widespread doubts, and even ridicule. Is he willing to go there?

Besides, after recent games (yes, small sample size), Bullock could get a really good return in trade. I could see getting a 1st rounder as well as dumping Reggie J, say in a deal with Houston for Brandon Knight and their 1st rounder, whom they're said to be offering around. The return in trade could be hard to resist at this point, not just as a face saver, but also because they might have an insider's perspective suggesting that the chances of Reggie B's return are slight.

But, yes, I'd go all out (but not to the point of a max deal!) to sign him.

BallinD wrote:Sparma: Is Bullock worth the $$, I guess is the question.  As the charter member of the Bullock for Pistons SG fan club, I would have to say yes:

1. Continuity.  At some point (now) we have to build something that looks like a sustainable identity moving forward and RB seems a good candidate with his play-the-right-way, low maintenance low-usage style, complimentary to Blake n Weggie.  Willing passer, willing cutter, decent defender and great shooter.  I saw him make a move in the Minny game, a nice crossover that led to a midrange hoop. Not the typical RB play, and maybe a hint that as he enters his prime, he can continue to grow his swag game.  Confidence and coaching support can do that for a player.  Continuity with his Synergy Buddy Blake can’t hurt and I’ve noticed Weggie no longer looks him off as much as he used to do.

2. His skillsets should age well and he could certainly be our SG of the future till we draft a true stud or Luke decides to grab the SG position by the throat.  As he ages a good 3&D wing can always fetch a good return in a trade (.445 on 3s last year).

3. Complimentary, does not need the ball in his hands to be deadly, just rise and let fly.  He can play either Wing position at 6’7”.

PLUS: I’m beginning to have a bit of faith that Casey can maybe reform Weggie, and that is our best bet this year to help us win as he hopefully regains some value.  We could not get anything for him w/o adding a pick, so they say... Pair Weggie with Bullock and we just need a starting beast of a Wing to make it work.  P.S: Not buying the false choice of keeping RB or SJ, find a way to keep em both for the Blake Window or we suffer continued mediocrity for sure.
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Post  BallinD on Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:44 am

Sparma: Is Bullock worth the $$, I guess is the question. As the charter member of the Bullock for Pistons SG fan club, I would have to say yes:

1. Continuity. At some point (now) we have to build something that looks like a sustainable identity moving forward and RB seems a good candidate with his play-the-right-way, low maintenance low-usage style, complimentary to Blake n Weggie. Willing passer, willing cutter, decent defender and great shooter. I saw him make a move in the Minny game, a nice crossover that led to a midrange hoop. Not the typical RB play, and maybe a hint that as he enters his prime, he can continue to grow his swag game. Confidence and coaching support can do that for a player. Continuity with his Synergy Buddy Blake can’t hurt and I’ve noticed Weggie no longer looks him off as much as he used to do.

2. His skillsets should age well and he could certainly be our SG of the future till we draft a true stud or Luke decides to grab the SG position by the throat. As he ages a good 3&D wing can always fetch a good return in a trade (.445 on 3s last year).

3. Complimentary, does not need the ball in his hands to be deadly, just rise and let fly. He can play either Wing position at 6’7”.

PLUS: I’m beginning to have a bit of faith that Casey can maybe reform Weggie, and that is our best bet this year to help us win as he hopefully regains some value. We could not get anything for him w/o adding a pick, so they say... Pair Weggie with Bullock and we just need a starting beast of a Wing to make it work. P.S: Not buying the false choice of keeping RB or SJ, find a way to keep em both for the Blake Window or we suffer continued mediocrity for sure.
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Rod Beard on Reggie B & $$

Post  Sparma on Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:25 pm

Beard: "Bullock is on the final year of his contract that’s paying him a salary-cap-friendly $2.5 million. He could command five times that when he becomes an unrestricted free agent — free to sign with the Pistons or any other team — in the summer."

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Reggie J & Casey

Post  Sparma on Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:12 pm


BallinD: "Sparma: There’s a new Sherriff in town and he has maybe broken the rambunctious, erratic horse that was/is Weggie.  I approve this message!"

Yes!

The weird thing with Reggie -- talented as he is -- is that coach's first job is to prevent him from derailing the team's offensive plan.

Next, the coach can try to figure out how to get this talented guy to contribute.

Option 1: Let Reggie do his thing.

No!  Not a possibility for a coach this side of SVG UNLESS the plan is to let Reggie be Reggie on the second unit.  We haven't gone there quite yet

Option 2: Have Reggie play off the ball, focusing on shooting.  Problem: Reggie's below the league average from 3, although he's close enough that it may be a worthwhile strategy to let him hoist them up.

How to accomplish option 2.  a) Anoint Blake as PF, b) Anoint Blake as PF and slowly integrate an alternative ball handling option.

Option 3: A hybrid.  Use the strategies in option 2, but let Reggie be Reggie at times.  How to pull this off?  a) Praise him to the high heavens (Casey: he's one of the reasons I agreed to join the team as coach), b) make excuses for him aimed at steering him in the right directions (Casey, a day or two ago (!?!): Reggie's recovering from injury and learning again to play at the NBA pace (ignoring the fact that Reggie, even to SVG's annoyance, always favored playing at the pace that allowed him to be ball dominant on O, while taking it easy on D.)

I don't know.  Looks like Casey's managing some kind of magic with Reggie, if last night's brilliant performance is any indication.  He does so through a combination of praise -- drawing out Reggie better basketball self -- and coercion -- unapologetically having a 37 yo minimum wage guy take over two games in a row at Reggie time.  

I've got my questions about Casey's (offensive) creativity, but a lot of coaching consists how well you get along with/ handle people (as Stan discovered to his chagrin).  

Casey's been earning a lot of respect from me in that area, not least in how he's worked with Reggie.  We likely would need to include a pick to offload Reggie; he's got more value staying with us if a negative trade is the alternative.  Casey's done a nice job of facing up to that reality, and being adept in dealing with it.


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DX & Don

Post  Oracle on Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:10 pm

DX wrote:Without making it to the trade deadline, we're speculating on making a choice between Reggie Bullock, and Stanley Johnson, which is ridiculous at this point. Bullock is an essential component of our starting unit, who's underpaid and at the peak of his powers at age 27! Johnson is monstrous coming off Detroit's bench at 22, and being drafted in the first round doesn't make him a bust by any means; he just can't be trusted, now, in a starting lineup by a team that holds championship aspirations. We need them both and we've thrown the baby out with the bath water too many times in the past, i.e. Tobias Harris, Marcus Morris, Spencer Dinwiddie, and Khris Middleton, to name a few.
Damn right DX!!! While anybody on this team could be traded, any talk of moving Stanley or Bullock is a non-starter for me right now. In fact, this team is just finding itself and hopefully its identity. I'm not in favor of moving anybody except Galloway, Leuer(and even he's been playing good and smart under Casey), GR3, or Ellenson(hopefully he gets a shot elsewhere).
Don wrote:Oracle that was a great 3 by Dre in overtime. But for me it was the tip in at the end of regulation that AD got to tie the game. I have been critical of AD because he has never demonstrated the ability to be a winning type of player. Now making that tip in in the last second should give our center all the confidence he needs to become an outstanding player. In the previous game, AD made several blocks in key situations as well. This year has been big for Andre Drummond so far. Way to go!
Don I totally agree, that put back in traffic was a man sized move, and he focused to make sure it wasn't too rushed to eliminate a mistake. Big time offensive rebound and put back!!!
The thing that impressed me about the 3 was that he actually looked like a shooter. He went back, turned around, saw he wasn't in 3 point territory, knew the clock(3 seconds), then stepped back to clear 3 point land and released a shot that looked like Paul George or somebody... amazing!
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Post  cool breeze on Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:18 pm

deusXango wrote:Without making it to the trade deadline, we're speculating on making a choice between Reggie Bullock, and Stanley Johnson, which is ridiculous at this point. Bullock is an essential component of our starting unit, who's underpaid and at the peak of his powers at age 27! Johnson is monstrous coming off Detroit's bench at 22, and being drafted in the first round doesn't make him a bust by any means; he just can't be trusted, now, in a starting lineup by a team that holds championship aspirations. We need them both and we've thrown the baby out with the bath water too many times in the past, i.e. Tobias Harris, Marcus Morris, Spencer Dinwiddie, and Khris Middleton, to name a few. I really don't give a damn if Tom Gores has to pay the luxury tax for a year, he's only paying for the luxury of saddling the franchise and fans with Stan Van Gundy, for 4 mediocre years. During those years of futility he came up with the bright idea of applying the Stretch Provision to Josh Smith, rather than trading him, overpaying Smith, Galloway, Leuer, and not getting zilch for Monroe or KCP. Sign and keep Bullock and Johnson. Your high profile brain trust, Mr. Gores, should be able to rid the team of Leuer, Galloway, Ellenson, and Robinson III by the trade deadline and the marching orders for the remaining players should be, "JUST WIN!"

This trade talk with Philly has moved past "being out of hand" and gone straight to insulting! The first round draft pick mentioned is going the wrong way, and some of our most dependable players for a player who has a 33 game career, can't shoot or guarantee a healthy return for our sacrifices, is insulting to me. If we're going to dream, what about Rui Hachimura, from Gonzaga, our possible answer for a young starting SF in the first round. For all that don't know, give the kid a good look. Anyway, Tom Gores, said he'd pay whatever was necessary to put a winner on the floor when SVG was in charge, so do the same for Big Ed Stefanski, bite the bullet for a year if that's what it takes to keep your word and a winner on the floor...decent and fair contracts for Bullock and Johnson, no trade!

Great, gritty, win from the Stones...everybody gave their best and played with some surprisingly great intelligence.

dX good post. What a mistake it would be to make a trade for Fultz. Philly needs to dump his contract. Fultz can't beat out TJ McConnell for good reason. TJ is not a great athlete but he is smart as hell and that is something Fultz lacks. Fultz had a really good agent who fooled the draft experts. By this time, every GM should be wise enough to never agree to take on his contract and for sure not give up any young players with potential. Perhaps in 3 years Fultz can make a rotation based on his ability. But that is a big if. But I am wondering if Piston management is actually going to do the trade and give Philly Stanley Johnson, Smith, and a first round pick. You can never trust the owner or his front office to make a smart trade or know when to not make a trade. If this happens, where will Brown fit in with the Pistons? Fultz has the big contract. Under Casey, contracts matter. Playing the big contracts makes life simple for the head coach. Keep the owner and front office happy. And how much power do agents have in this process of nonsense? Is the NBA a rigged organization where at this point in time, the Pistons have been selected to be the Farm team doomed to remain in hell. Maybe this is a long time coming being the NBA Front office is still pissed off about the Bad Boy era. They were not supposed to win but did it anyway even with the officials trying their best to stop Zeke's team from winning it all. The Pistons actually won three championships with Zeke's team. It was only a bogus call that prevented the Pistons from winning their first championship against the Lakers the year before the back to back Kick Ass Years.

Oracle that was a great 3 by Dre in overtime. But for me it was the tip in at the end of regulation that AD got to tie the game. I have been critical of AD because he has never demonstrated the ability to be a winning type of player. Now making that tip in in the last second should give our center all the confidence he needs to become an outstanding player. In the previous game, AD made several blocks in key situations as well. This year has been big for Andre Drummond so far. Way to go!

Blake Griffin played so much smarter in this game and he played feeling sick before the game. I loved the charge he took against Towns which was a critical play in overtime. I thought Blake was fouled earlier when he got the defensive rebound that should have sealed the game.

Reggie Jackson had his best game since his first season with the Pistons. I loved that a look he made after draining the 3 point shot when nobody came out to guard him. I think he stood there for about 4 seconds before taking the shot. The other Reggie, Mr. Bullock gave up a lot of dribble penetration but made up for it with his clutch shooting from distance. Great game for both players. Reggie B is on a hot streak shooting the ball. I hope it lasts.

My only complaint was coaching strategy in this game. Dwayne had his favorite player, Langston Galloway in for too many ineffective minutes. The Pistons couldn't get a stop but somehow made some great shots to stay in the game. With one minute to go in regulation there was a timeout with the Pistons coming out of the break on defense. It was amazing to see Casey stick with Jackson, Galloway and Bullock at that moment. None of the three players could guard Rose. Jackson and Bullock had been big contributors on offense but Galloway was offering very little on either end. I cannot think of one other coach who would not have substituted defense for offense at that moment. Either Bring in Brown or Johnson who are the two best defenders on the team. Doesn't Casey know that yet??? Two Minnesota players were killing the Pistons throughout the game. The Pistons needed a stop. Then on the following defensive stand with about 30 seconds left another timeout was called and again Casey played his Son Langston Galloway on defense. Is there something that I am missing. Galloway has not been able to stop dribble penetration all season long. He is not a good defender. It wasn't until the overtime period with 2 minutes to go that Casey finally brought in Brown to stabilize the defense for the Pistons and it worked. Maybe Casey might offer the Pistons a more fun type atmosphere but something sure is missing with this coach. I believe the Pistons would have won at least 6 more games this season with better game adjustments. Most of those loses involved Galloway playing too many ineffective minutes. Did the head coach forget how Johnson had previously shut down high scoring hot players in previous games? When has Langston Galloway done that? Is this a Mother-Son relationship?

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Welcome to the League: Trey Drummond...

Post  Oracle on Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:08 am

Are you effing kidding me??? Drummond with a turn around triple in OT???

Man, I hate it when I get too busy to catch the games and the Pistons lay down a classic like this. You could see this coming, all of the close losses can do in a team, but credit Casey, these guys have a lot of heart that wasn't evident under SVG, even with Blake in there.

They fight and claw, and that level of character will eventually pay off. Sure they need one more Big Dog, Reggie J hasn't been his old dominant self, but he does appear to be regaining his form. I know the general desire is to trade him, but I wouldn't do it now and, IMO, I don't think we could get squat anyway.

On the other hand Reggie B is kicking arse and taking names. For those who said they he could take KCP's place, no problem... well, he may not be as good defensively, but he looks better overall if he can stay healthy.

Keep Stanley? Damn straight, all he needed was a coach that REALLY believed in him to get his game going. Suddenly Casey's confidence in his guys to shoot that three ball isn't looking so crazy anymore.

Kennard is struggling more with his confidence and less with his shot. The glare of starting appears to be a bit much for the youngster, but I hope Casey doesn't get reactionary and pull him. He's going to need a good period of adjustment, be patient and he'll come around. 

Rant: It takes basketball IQ to understand basketball IO! That IQ comes from experience. Kids with good coaching learn it early, and a lot of the guys here never got good enough coaching to make basketball IQ second nature to them. These close games are the fires that forge the steel that teaches players how to close out games and add that to their IQ for future reference. The old saying is true, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger... they're getting there, and tonight was a prime example of that learning process. Better late than never, IMO!

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Post  deusXango on Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:23 am

Without making it to the trade deadline, we're speculating on making a choice between Reggie Bullock, and Stanley Johnson, which is ridiculous at this point. Bullock is an essential component of our starting unit, who's underpaid and at the peak of his powers at age 27! Johnson is monstrous coming off Detroit's bench at 22, and being drafted in the first round doesn't make him a bust by any means; he just can't be trusted, now, in a starting lineup by a team that holds championship aspirations. We need them both and we've thrown the baby out with the bath water too many times in the past, i.e. Tobias Harris, Marcus Morris, Spencer Dinwiddie, and Khris Middleton, to name a few. I really don't give a damn if Tom Gores has to pay the luxury tax for a year, he's only paying for the luxury of saddling the franchise and fans with Stan Van Gundy, for 4 mediocre years. During those years of futility he came up with the bright idea of applying the Stretch Provision to Josh Smith, rather than trading him, overpaying Smith, Galloway, Leuer, and not getting zilch for Monroe or KCP. Sign and keep Bullock and Johnson. Your high profile brain trust, Mr. Gores, should be able to rid the team of Leuer, Galloway, Ellenson, and Robinson III by the trade deadline and the marching orders for the remaining players should be, "JUST WIN!"

This trade talk with Philly has moved past "being out of hand" and gone straight to insulting! The first round draft pick mentioned is going the wrong way, and some of our most dependable players for a player who has a 33 game career, can't shoot or guarantee a healthy return for our sacrifices, is insulting to me. If we're going to dream, what about Rui Hachimura, from Gonzaga, our possible answer for a young starting SF in the first round. For all that don't know, give the kid a good look. Anyway, Tom Gores, said he'd pay whatever was necessary to put a winner on the floor when SVG was in charge, so do the same for Big Ed Stefanski, bite the bullet for a year if that's what it takes to keep your word and a winner on the floor...decent and fair contracts for Bullock and Johnson, no trade!

Great, gritty, win from the Stones...everybody gave their best and played with some surprisingly great intelligence.
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Post  BallinD on Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:19 am

Sparma: There’s a new Sherriff in town and he has maybe broken the rambunctious, erratic horse that was/is Weggie. I approve this message!
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Post  Sparma on Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:49 am

Crazy stuff passed along by liberty ballers.
BallinD wrote:Screw Liberty Ballers, thats the most lopsided, stupid trade Ive heard all season, unless they are throwing simmons in as the cherry on top, though I’ll take kurkmsz or Shamet too, LOL

btw, I saw Reggie J and Houston's Brandon Knight mentioned in the same sentence, in a discussion of Detroit's wish to move on from Reggie J. [no need to if he could consistently play like tonight, but....]
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