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Post  Murph on Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:46 am

WTF wrote:
I agree as well that it's coming to a point of violence and a point of no return.  This is not going to end well...… I don't think it's genetics I think it's fear and that the chickens have finally come home to roost.   The sins in which this country was built upon will eventually have to be paid.   My goodness it (this land) was stolen and it's people murdered and wiped out.   It was built upon the back of slavery and infested with evil.   It's a Reckoning it's Prophecy  it's only Fear that's in the way of reasoning.

That's a pretty apocalyptic religious view of what's happening to the country.


On a more mundane note, if Trump is such a racist, how do you account for his 41% support among blacks in the latest Quinnipiac poll (liberal), and his 36% support among African Americans is the latest Rasmussen poll (conservative)?

I might venture a guess that the reason Trumps numbers are way up among minorities is the booming economy and job market that is benefiting everyone, not just the wealthy.

If Trump triples his support among African Americans in the next election, from an abysmal 9% of the vote in 2016, or even just doubles his support among minorities, it's game over for the Dems.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/18/politics/poll-of-the-week-trump-black-voters/index.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/16/trump-approval-rating-african-americans-rasmussen-poll/1013212002/

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Post  WTF on Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:34 am

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WTF wrote:
No matter how much truth about Trump is brought to the table some of you just will not accept it for what it really is.   Not matter how many racist comment actions and overtones he makes you'll deny it.  No matter how much it looks like collusion it fake news even though it been admitted by Jr and others, no matter how many people face potential charges or arrested and summons.

My guess that Donald was right he can kill someone and many of you wouldn't care.   But I think I got this all figured out but I won't touch on it not now at least.  It just sad though.

Truth coming to the table?  Mueller has been investigating Trump for almost 18 months, with an unlimited budget.  He's spent something like $25 million and has found zero collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.  

To date, the only thing Mueller has done is charge Paul Manafort, who worked for the Trump campaign all of two months, with income tax evasion from 2005, long before Trump ran for office.

Yet media has been covering the Russian collusion story with breathless anticipation, as if Trump is obviously guilty...of something.  If only he could be investigated forever, surely they will find something.   scratch

After this ridiculous dog and pony show, I don't believe anything the far left media (CNN, NBC, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post), and the far left accuses Trump of doing, and that includes Trump being a racist.  And that will also include impeachment proceeding, if the Dems win the House in 2018.




The Democrats as a party have moved so far left, I don't even recognize them anymore.  They are not the party I grew up with.  The have become self proclaimed socialists, obsessed with race and class warfare.  Their policies no longer benefit the vast American middle class.  Trump is now occupying the political center that the Democrats have vacated.

Look, the bottom line is the Democrats are going to have to run someone a lot better than Hillary Clinton...or Cam Harris or Liz Warren or Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden for me not to vote for Trump in 2020.

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Post  WTF on Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:08 am

Oracle wrote:You can't fix genetics.

The difference between the Trump base and progressives/liberals/dems is in the brain. There are many studies that show that the brains of the opposing groups works differently.

I posted to see where the thought processes were, and I think that's clear. There is no solution, no reasoning to be done, nothing can bring the sides together because neither side will see what the other does.

Wise, I used to talk to people about climate change, nothing would sink in. Not my arguments to them or theirs to me.

If two people look at the same set of facts and see totally different things, there is no reality. They're ships passing in the night, completely oblivious to each other and only sharing the mode of transportation.

Physical reality is consistent with universal laws. Where the laws do not operate, there is no reality. The illusion of this being one cohesive country is not real, and the faster we recognize this, the better everyone will be in the long run.

The Trump view is in the very small minority in the world and here as well, but the numbers are closer.

There's a clear reason the base of Trump's party sees things differently from the rest of the world, and it lies in what I led off with... Genetics. You can't change something that deep, and that's why I fully support splitting the country up before this turns violent, and it's getting there.

So what's my bottom line? Let's leave this alone, we have all of the clarity we're going to get.

I agree as well that it's coming to a point of violence and a point of no return.  This is not going to end well...… I don't think it's genetics I think it's fear and that the chickens have finally come home to roost.   The sins in which this country was built upon will eventually have to be paid.   My goodness it (this land) was stolen and it's people murdered and wiped out.   It was built upon the back of slavery and infested with evil.   It's a Reckoning it's Prophecy  it's only Fear that's in the way of reasoning.
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Post  Oracle on Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:00 am

You can't fix genetics.

The difference between the Trump base and progressives/liberals/dems is in the brain. There are many studies that show that the brains of the opposing groups works differently.

I posted to see where the thought processes were, and I think that's clear. There is no solution, no reasoning to be done, nothing can bring the sides together because neither side will see what the other does.

Wise, I used to talk to people about climate change, nothing would sink in. Not my arguments to them or theirs to me.

If two people look at the same set of facts and see totally different things, there is no reality. They're ships passing in the night, completely oblivious to each other and only sharing the mode of transportation.

Physical reality is consistent with universal laws. Where the laws do not operate, there is no reality. The illusion of this being one cohesive country is not real, and the faster we recognize this, the better everyone will be in the long run.

The Trump view is in the very small minority in the world and here as well, but the numbers are closer.

There's a clear reason the base of Trump's party sees things differently from the rest of the world, and it lies in what I led off with... Genetics. You can't change something that deep, and that's why I fully support splitting the country up before this turns violent, and it's getting there.

So what's my bottom line? Let's leave this alone, we have all of the clarity we're going to get.
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Post  Murph on Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:43 am

WTF wrote:
No matter how much truth about Trump is brought to the table some of you just will not accept it for what it really is.   Not matter how many racist comment actions and overtones he makes you'll deny it.  No matter how much it looks like collusion it fake news even though it been admitted by Jr and others, no matter how many people face potential charges or arrested and summons.

My guess that Donald was right he can kill someone and many of you wouldn't care.   But I think I got this all figured out but I won't touch on it not now at least.  It just sad though.

Truth coming to the table?  Mueller has been investigating Trump for almost 18 months, with an unlimited budget.  He's spent something like $25 million and has found zero collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.  

To date, the only thing Mueller has done is charge Paul Manafort, who worked for the Trump campaign all of two months, with income tax evasion from 2005, long before Trump ran for office.

Yet media has been covering the Russian collusion story with breathless anticipation, as if Trump is obviously guilty...of something.  If only he could be investigated forever, surely they will find something.   scratch

After this ridiculous dog and pony show, I don't believe anything the far left media (CNN, NBC, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post), and the far left accuses Trump of doing, and that includes Trump being a racist.  And that will also include impeachment proceeding, if the Dems win the House in 2018.




The Democrats as a party have moved so far left, I don't even recognize them anymore.  They are not the party I grew up with.  The have become self proclaimed socialists, obsessed with race and class warfare.  Their policies no longer benefit the vast American middle class.  Trump is now occupying the political center that the Democrats have vacated.

Look, the bottom line is the Democrats are going to have to run someone a lot better than Hillary Clinton...or Cam Harris or Liz Warren or Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden for me not to vote for Trump in 2020.
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Post  WTF on Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:27 am

Amazing how no one feels screwed when the 1% consistently get every break and incentive imaginable to stack money of top of money and false blame regulations as a reason not to pay its fair share in wages to it employees, fair share of taxes.   Why some many believe that lie is beyond reasoning.

Regulations wouldn't be necessary if companies like Monsanto, Exon etc. wasn't all about money over the health and welfare of the American People yet no one wants any checks and balances to combat corporate greed.   Seriously it's a damn shame that a company can grind up rat ass and pas it off as beef and not have to inform the public it's eating rat ass.   But people have a problem if regulations are in place to force companies to tell you what's in it meat and where it comes from.  

Yes there should be regulations about burning certain fossil fuels,  but some of you would rather effect the ozone because companies, special interest groups and certain politicians have convince you that a clean environment is too much of a stress on their bottom line thus they can't increase your wages and have to lay people off.   They use it as reason to export jobs when the reality is it just simply cheaper than to pay a unionized worker and their health benefits.

Some have just been trained and brainwash to believe any and everything but the truth and a ability to reason.   They been condition to play the tit for tat games, and not to simply except the truth even when its staring them dead in the face.   Bush not in office, Bill not in office, Obama not in office and Hillary and Bernie didn't win.  Yet they will continue to bring them up to avoid or ignore the current ills of the WH. Yeah Fake News the only real news is out The Donald lying mouth and Fox News.   

It's okay that a pill cost a nickel to produce can be sold to the consumer for $100.00.  It's okay that banks can rob you with every imaginable fees and charges,  It's okay that chemical companies can pollute the water,  it's okay for energy companies to pollute the air and destroy the environment, it's okay for companies to lie about or hide the effects and dangers of the products.   Right who needs regulations.

It's okay for the 1% to skate on paying taxes but let your little poor ass fall behind on paying your **** and see what happens.  

No matter how much truth about Trump is brought to the table some of you just will not accept it for what it really is.   Not matter how many racist comment actions and overtones he makes you'll deny it.  No matter how much it looks like collusion it fake news even though it been admitted by Jr and others, no matter how many people face potential charges or arrested and summons.

My guess that Donald was right he can kill someone and many of you wouldn't care.   But I think I got this all figured out but I won't touch on it not now at least.  It just sad though.
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Post  cool breeze on Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:10 am

Oracle wrote:I give people a partial pass for voting for Trump. People on both sides believe what they want about a candidate that says most of the things they want to hear, and believe more than they should, that's normal.

The more astute recognize that they're likely to only get a small amount of what they wish for, but if the other candidate isn't even promising what you want, the choice is clear.

I said all of that to say that I can understand why some people may have been attracted to Trump, even if I know that they had to ignore a ton of red flags to do it.

Murph wrote:The reasons I voted for Trump is that 1)  He is not a globalist.  He is a nationalist.  I like Trump's trade policies, and efforts to get trading partners to lower tariffs.  And I like Trump's willingness to protect our primary industries, such as steel, auto manufacturing, etc.  This is hardly the case! Trump is neither a globalist or a nationalist, he's a Trumpist! He started his presidency attacking American companies. I was shocked, wondering why he would do that. Well, it finally became clear, this criminal was shaking down companies. Trump attacks them, their stock goes down, his lawyer contacts them to get protection money, and they pay... problem solved.

I also like Trump's efforts at border security and immigration reform, as discussed earlier.  I just don't see how we can afford to provide healthcare, education, higher ed., welfare, food stamps and public housing to every illegal immigrant who wonders into the country and then brings in his extended family.

Nor do I see that the US has any moral obligation toward them.  Here's a concept:  how about Mexico providing job programs, healthcare and education for their own desperate peasants. This is one of the two policies I support from him, the other was bringing the companies money home from overseas. But he's bungled both of them with his incompetence.


2).  Trump is not a socialist; he is a capitalist.  I like Trump's economic policies of lowering corporate and individual taxes, and lowering regulations.  I particularly like his lowering of regulations toward the coal industry, and other energy industries, which has made the US net exporters of energy, and independent of OPEC's geo-political whims.

And the economy is responding.  GDP growth is over 4%, which we haven't seen in decades.  Almost 4 million jobs have been created under Trump, including 500,00 manufacturing jobs.    And unemployment is at historic lows, including African American and Hispanic unemployment, which Trump seems to take a great deal of pride in. This is just more Trump lies, and it's amazing that people fall for it. Of course 4.1% is good, but it pales in comparison to what Obama did, and it was just before he left office.
"For example, after the economy shrank at a 1 percent rate in the first quarter of 2015, it then grew at a 5.1 percent rate in the second quarter and 4.9 percent in the third quarter."Contrary to Trump’s claims, last quarter’s GDP growth was anything but “amazing”

I do wish Trump would cut spending, in an effort to balance the budget.  He spends too much on the military, and his space program is a boondoggle.  I'd also like to see him tackle entitlement reform.  But unfortunately, all of that probably won't happen. While spending is an issue, the Space Program is something presidents to towards legacy building, so other than joke about it, I see that as no big issue.

However what is a big issue is that prices are rising faster than at any time in the last 6 years, and wages are flat! The combination of the tax cuts and the relief for companies bringing their money back have both done exactly what Trump wanted and the opposite of what the people needed. A few people got jobs and a few people got raises, but they take it right back with higher prices on everything.

You have to ask yourself: Does an company, other than the Tech industry ever get better at anything? In the tech industry they deliver constantly higher quality, and do it at a lower cost... and it's built overseas and shipped back here!!! So why can't the companies here do that?



3)  Trump is not a neo-conservative.  He is somewhat of an isolationist.  It drove me crazy when these neo-cons invaded and destabilized every Middle Eastern country they could get their hands on, such as Iraq.  And Hillary was a neo-con right up there with the best of them.  She voted for the Iraq War as Senator, and as Secretary of State, she worked to actively or passively destabilized Libya, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, etc. This is true, Hillary was indeed more like the NeoCons, but Trump loves dictators, so there's that!

Trump is very cautious committing US Troops, and is reluctant to destabilize Middle Eastern countries.  And example of this is Syria.  Trump very carefully annihilated ISIS, while leaving the Asaad Regime in power.  The result is that Syria has become much more stable.


Is Trump perfect?  Of course not.  He has and will make major verbal and political blunders, such as hiring and then engaging with Manigault-Newman.  But in general, I am happy with his performance and would vote for him again.  And I'm still a registered Democrat.

And I think it's an indication of Trump's success that the media obsesses about people like Manigault-Newman,  Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels, and doesn't even attempt to debate Trump on policy anymore.
However, it's one thing to vote for him, quite another to stick with him now.

1. There is a lot of evidence that Trump is a traitor. Not the kind of traitor that sets out to hurt his country, but the kind that's so greedy that they become the vehicle being used to hurt his country, but no less a traitor.
2. Trump is a racist beyond any doubt, this is beyond a question. To support a racist in any fashion is a direct admission that there are Americans that you don't care about as long as you aren't the one racist attacks are being directed at.
3. Trump has no moral compass. This is the lesser of his sins, and would be a nothing burger except for the fact that the congress provides absolutely no check on his behavior.
4. Trump is a serial criminal. It's likely that both him and his kids will all serve the time they deserve, likely after he's out of office.

But Trump voters appear to not see the shell game both he and the rest of the republicans want to play. Cut the taxes so that their competitor the government doesn't get the money, then raise prices and take it from the unsuspecting suckers and put it into their pockets... works every time!

Note: This is NOT to say the Dems don't have major issues as well, but we're talking about the party in power right now.

Reasons to stay with Trump are huge Oracle.
1. 4,1 GDP Growth is incredible and all due to Donald Trump and his team of hard working people with the right ideas. President Obama's policies made it impossible to move above 1.5% or was that P. Bush's fault? Bush was not much better than Obama relating to doing the right thing for the actual citizens of America. Both had a global view where Americans are supposed to sacrifice for the greater good of Western Europe and China with horrible trade polices. Why didn't either O or B even try to export natural gas to help balance the trade imbalance? Trump is a tireless worker who will do the right thing for Americans in my opinion at least.With economics, Trump is the best President in my lifetime.
2. T. has made most progress in solving N. Korea problem of any president.
3. Remains of servicemen from Korean war returned. No other President cared enough to ask yet two got the Noble peace prize for what? Carter flew on a plane to the airport at N. Korea and that was enough to get his the fake prize.
4. T. pushed through a new tax bill that will lower my taxes. YES! Maybe you will decide to go by the old tax rules and pay additional taxes. God bless you Oracle.
5. T. eliminated hundreds if not thousands of stupid regulations. I know all good progressives want to punish corporations and individuals to prevent the private sector from employing more people and being able to compete with other countries. Some of us believe that needless sacrifice for the greater good is not a good thing especially when nothing good is ever accomplished but more regulations. When will Clapper become chief of the NSA again and install cameras in every household and lie to Congress about doing it? Maybe your sister will be arrested for any negative comments about infringement of her individual rights.
6.Trump has changed the way Secretary of State appointees do things with other countries. Hillary Clinton spilled the beans when she was questioned about why so much foreign money was going into the Clinton Foundation after she made her trips to those countries. That was always followed up with Bill Clinton $250,000 per speech outings in those countries. Hillary said they all did it in the pasts what is the big deal? What is funny to me is the progressive democrats bow to their leaders. There can be no doubters by the loyal Brown Shirts who worship their leaders. At least the republicans all hate each other and can seldom get on the same page yet they have an intellectual discourse with each other. Pay to play is temporarily in the closet. Whoever takes Trumps' place most likely will make under the table deals that will screw all of us tax payers. Again progressives like punishment and sacrifice for the socialist power elite. Plato is still alive in their hearts.
7. Trump has selected two potential Supreme Court candidates who have both pledged to make rulings based on our Constitution. Progressive Judges hate the constitution and feel they have the power to make new law. This is the most dangerous of all progressive goals. We are supposed to be a country that features a separation of powers where Congress creates laws and the President either signs or vetoes a new law. Of course the goal of the progressives is to abolish the constitution and the Bill of Rights both of which were created to protect individuals from the government. Progressives created in our public schools believe the Constitution is a racist document. No further discussion is needed. Just stamp everything racist that stands in your way of creating a new and better more fair government. After all the men who created the constitution were slave owners so they had to be racist. Yet in that time period their were free Blacks who were slave owners right up to the end of the Civil War. And the men who signed the Declaration of Independence all knew that if they were not killed in battle they would be hanged of America had not won that War with G.B.. I suggest people read some of George Orwell's novels to get a perspective of what might be coming to America if Progressive democrats get their way.
8. Trump eliminated the fines people who were paying huge premiums for Obama Care had to pay if they opted out of that insane program. Did anyone get to keep their own doctor? Did the people in the middle class have lower premiums? Those who supported Obama Care included the massive amount of folks who derive their income from the public sector. It is good for others who don't have to pay and of course the folks who are on it who pay nothing but those middle income couples who did everything right in life and had big student loan debt to get their college degrees now with 3 kids and worked in the private sector became part time employees or had to shut down their small business if they were self employed. Progressives believe that some group has to suffer for the greater good just as long as it isn't them. I just wish that progressives would take a step back when a new government program is being launched and say wait a minute who will be punished or suffer if the proposal is passed. Just because maybe you are not affected others were when Obama Care passed and I know a lot of them who have kids and are in their early 30s. They got screwed when Obama Care was passed yet when my friends who are progressives had that blank look that looked as if I was saying something that was distorting their perceived world view of everything that is supposed to be good. I wish those people would define "good" because a lot of pain has been caused by politicians who have enacted laws that punish citizens in some way or another.
9. Trump effect has increased black wages and reduced their unemployment %. Yet he is considered a racist because the Russians planted that story in social media "Trump is a racist". The race card is always used when a progressives are not in power. Isn't that nonsense becoming boring to everyone with half a brain? If any other Republican had won the election, they would have received the same treatment as Trump. Everyone is a racist if they know it of not if they are not progressives. The Progressive party was started by Henry Wallace when he lost out to Harry Truman. The Progressive party will take us back into the stone age where thought police will figure out what you are thinking. Yes I think that guy is a racist. Let's zap him now.
10. Finally we have a President who is trying hard to improve border security. Members of Congress in both parties have too much to gain and have continued to fight him. However, if people would realize that if we stopped illegal immigration the overall net savings relating to the increased cost of public education, health care expense, law enforcement expense and legal expenses would save tax payers a net of 115 Billion dollars a year. C-Span provided the stats on that based on 2116 figures after taxes. Maybe your kid could get a free college education if some solution can be accomplished. However, the influence of of the drug cartels in our politics, banking system and the fact that they run the Mexican government will be next to impossible. But American tax payers need to wake up and say enough. Border states feel the effect of the emergency room being full of illegals who are non payers when you have a critical need for care and can't get it. Thankfully I am a vet and can go to the VA hospital ER. Others who have purchased health care insurance are not so lucky.
12. Violent gang problems are out of control but Trump at least admits we have a really dangerous problem in America where the gangs now have stolen military grade weapons and can out gun the local police. I know all true believer progressives must accept what they are told that Trump is a racist and of course the police are racist as well. Funny but I have never met one racist cop and I have been around a lot of cops. I am not denying there are some but there were many more two generations ago. What is the percentage of Black and White police officers in the City of Detroit? Progressives must believe that the Black cops who serve and protect are also racist.
13. Iran agreement revoked and ISIS is being dealt with instead of making our soldiers fight with one hand tied behind their backs. Combat soldiers no longer have to wait to receive orders from Washington as field commanders are now making the calls. How refreshing that civilians are not screwing up the works and costing American lives in combat. Yet the progressives seldom think about people who risk their lives in the military. Those old timers who created the progressive movement spit on me when I came home on my first day after getting out of a taxi in San Francisco. The good thing about that for me was that as i looked at those freaks closely I felt that they were more insane than me and I had been in combat just one week before they called me a "baby killer" and drenched me in their spit on my new class A uniform. These same people if not dead from drugs are most likely still in their groups calling Trump a racist and have most likely either been a college professor or never worked a day in their lives.
14. No visits have been arranged for for Muslim Brotherhood leaders to visit the Whitehouse where they were always welcomed by the previous President. The platform of the Muslim Brotherhood when that organization was created was to "destroy the Great Satan". Yet the previous administration used tax payer dollars to get a Muslim Brotherhood leader elected in Egypt. Hillary Clinton was celebrating and riding in a jeep with the leaders on the day after the election. Trump has strong ties with the current non terrorist leader. Trump wants to help our friends not our enemies.
15. I never ever thought of Trump before he decided to run. His personality is not geared to act presidential. And I am a liberal democrat who has figured out that liberal democrats no longer have any power within the democratic party. I hope other good liberal democrats who support our constitution and the sacrifice of our service men and women who protect us from harm. It is a good thing to argue over being strict or loose constructionist when debating what is in the Constitution. But if we have a large party that has been taken over by progressives who now try to prevent intellectual diversity and attack people who they identify as conservatives in public, we are on the road to hell. 97% of all registered voters in Washington DC are members of the progressive democratic party. If there are liberal democrats left in the State of Michigan, you are in for a big fight to get your party back. That is the biggest and most frightening issue of our time now. Progressives are fighting for an overthrow of our current form of government. If they are successful, they will rule with rigid control. no doubt about it. So Oracle I suggest you listen to your sister more and stop watching CNN, MSMBC, NBC, CBS, and ABC news. They were all part of the rigged democratic primary that got Hillary Clinton the nomination. Read the hacked e-mails that have been all but forgotten. What was in those e-mails between Hillary's campaign folks and the media should be shocking to all liberal democrats.

This will be my last political response. But I had to provide something here in an effort to simmer the hate towards Trump who is just a man who is trying hard to make our country a better place to live in. He might not act presidential at times but he has never done drugs or alcohol and is a work dog cutting the waste in Washington. His life was next to perfect before he decided to run for President. He doesn't need more money unlike most politicians who come to Washington with next to nothing and leave with hundreds of millions. My best guess is that Trump wishes he would have stayed out of the political arena that is full of scum bags who nobody can trust. The manufactured hate is something that I have never witnessed in my lifetime.

What I hate is the fact that there are too many people who make a career out of politics. Power corrupts so who can you trust in any party who has stayed in the game for over 5 years? If only every elected congress person had to take a polygraph exam every year we would all be better off. Every elected official, cabinet member, employee of the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc who has been given a security clearance should be de briefed and no longer have any security clearance after they leave. The morons in the media have no idea what they are talking about relating to John Brennon. Do we all have a right to a security clearance? I got one and many in my barracks were eliminated from the military schools that I attended. Everyone in the military who has had a security clearance goes though that process of being debriefed when they no longer "have a need to know". Our leaders have dropped the ball. Too many past Presidents have been playing too much golf and maybe watching too much television to not have pulled all security clearances from past employees. What a joke it is that there are over 4 million civilians who have security clearances. No wonder all of our biggest national security secrets have been stolen. Peace be with you.

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Post  WTF on Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:26 pm

The other reason this WH sucks is that it brought the hatred of blacks and colors to a new level.

This Kaepernick stuff is unreal.   I have lost a ton of respect for Montana and Elway for their comments on this colluding case it kind of remind me of the other colluding case going on.   

If Elway was truthful and honest in his comments by telling the whole truth then that's one thing, but with him purposely partially telling the truth to attempt making Kaepernick look bad just disgust me.  

Neither one of this QB if I'm recalling correctly never came out of the gate winning so implying that after 3 years in and leading the 49er to the brinks of 2 Super Bowls  don't deserve to be in the league. The both need to STFU!!!!

Do I think Kaepernick need to come back?  I don't but I do think the NFL need to pay him because they made it impossible for him to come back.  What would be a fair amount I don't know but the NFL needs to pay him.

And deny it all they want (Closet Racist) if Kaepernick was white this matter would be resolved already or it would be no problem at all.   I doubt if Obama would be calling him a SOB or any other White Athlete SOB's and tweeting on it.
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Post  Murph on Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:04 am

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Omarosa is killing these people. I totally underestimated this woman's intelligence, since I really never watched her before, but she's impressive and clearly more intelligent than all of the Trump family, and most of the white house staff.

She's playing chess while they play checkers with glue on their fingers... this isn't a fair fight  lol lol lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC1EPZFGKMs

lol lol  lol

That woman will literally say anything to promote herself or sell a book.
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Post  Oracle on Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:36 pm

It's clear that Obama turned black unemployment around. Just like the economy, he inherited an economy that was progressively getting better, but he also did something I wished Obama would have done, let corporations bring their money back home. If Obama had done that, he would have got the slight bump that Trump did, but he wouldn't go against the idiot Dems(Socialist Bernie types) that didn't want to do it.


Omarosa is killing these people. I totally underestimated this woman's intelligence, since I really never watched her before, but she's impressive and clearly more intelligent than all of the Trump family, and most of the white house staff.

She's playing chess while they play checkers with glue on their fingers... this isn't a fair fight  lol lol lol
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Post  WTF on Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:03 pm

Oracle wrote:I give people a partial pass for voting for Trump. People on both sides believe what they want about a candidate that says most of the things they want to hear, and believe more than they should, that's normal.

The more astute recognize that they're likely to only get a small amount of what they wish for, but if the other candidate isn't even promising what you want, the choice is clear.

I said all of that to say that I can understand why some people may have been attracted to Trump, even if I know that they had to ignore a ton of red flags to do it.

I said I would stay quiet and maybe I really should but your truthful response is well on point.  I'm sure you tamed it down quite a bit so not to offend some folks.  

For me all the red flags were hard to ignore and every day there's a new flag being flown and yes I believe he's a racist as they say if it walks like duck and quack like duck then it a freaking duck.  Yes he's a habitual liar it's there in our faces every day all day one right after the other and as things play out likely it'll be revealed that he's more corrupt and about self than the very politicians everyone became tired of.  

Then there's this illusion that this WH has actual policies in place and it really don't but some how all his supporter been suckered in to believe otherwise and I challenge anyone to show me the policy that helped lowered African American unemployment rate.  As you stated this trend was done under the previous WH not this one.  The sad truth is that low rate was going to happen regardless of who was next in the WH period.  

Another challenge would be to tell me all the wonderful life changes you made after your fabulous text break in comparison to what the already rich did with theirs.   I've asked this question so many times of so many people that support him and touts this as something fabulous.  Where's the $15 minimum wage increase.

I don't support any politician that refers to Medicare and SS as entitlements period and neither shouldn't be touch,  I don't support any politician that don't believe in Global Warming,  I don't support politician that don't support regulations that protect peoples interest.  


One of the many claims you here is that Obama deported for more illegals than he did, and it true so can claims be made that Dems are soft on protecting the borders,  but it was done in a humane fashion with little fanfare and noise.  Some **** just need to be done with tact and dignity.

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The Queen of Soul...

Post  Oracle on Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:31 pm

Steely Dan(Hey Nineteen) told us that these young kids don't remember the Queen of Soul... but we do, RIP Aretha!

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Voting for Trump vs staying with Trump... A HUGE difference!

Post  Oracle on Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:24 pm

I give people a partial pass for voting for Trump. People on both sides believe what they want about a candidate that says most of the things they want to hear, and believe more than they should, that's normal.

The more astute recognize that they're likely to only get a small amount of what they wish for, but if the other candidate isn't even promising what you want, the choice is clear.

I said all of that to say that I can understand why some people may have been attracted to Trump, even if I know that they had to ignore a ton of red flags to do it.

Murph wrote:The reasons I voted for Trump is that 1)  He is not a globalist.  He is a nationalist.  I like Trump's trade policies, and efforts to get trading partners to lower tariffs.  And I like Trump's willingness to protect our primary industries, such as steel, auto manufacturing, etc.  This is hardly the case! Trump is neither a globalist or a nationalist, he's a Trumpist! He started his presidency attacking American companies. I was shocked, wondering why he would do that. Well, it finally became clear, this criminal was shaking down companies. Trump attacks them, their stock goes down, his lawyer contacts them to get protection money, and they pay... problem solved.

I also like Trump's efforts at border security and immigration reform, as discussed earlier.  I just don't see how we can afford to provide healthcare, education, higher ed., welfare, food stamps and public housing to every illegal immigrant who wonders into the country and then brings in his extended family.

Nor do I see that the US has any moral obligation toward them.  Here's a concept:  how about Mexico providing job programs, healthcare and education for their own desperate peasants. This is one of the two policies I support from him, the other was bringing the companies money home from overseas. But he's bungled both of them with his incompetence.


2).  Trump is not a socialist; he is a capitalist.  I like Trump's economic policies of lowering corporate and individual taxes, and lowering regulations.  I particularly like his lowering of regulations toward the coal industry, and other energy industries, which has made the US net exporters of energy, and independent of OPEC's geo-political whims.

And the economy is responding.  GDP growth is over 4%, which we haven't seen in decades.  Almost 4 million jobs have been created under Trump, including 500,00 manufacturing jobs.    And unemployment is at historic lows, including African American and Hispanic unemployment, which Trump seems to take a great deal of pride in. This is just more Trump lies, and it's amazing that people fall for it. Of course 4.1% is good, but it pales in comparison to what Obama did, and it was just before he left office.
"For example, after the economy shrank at a 1 percent rate in the first quarter of 2015, it then grew at a 5.1 percent rate in the second quarter and 4.9 percent in the third quarter."Contrary to Trump’s claims, last quarter’s GDP growth was anything but “amazing”

I do wish Trump would cut spending, in an effort to balance the budget.  He spends too much on the military, and his space program is a boondoggle.  I'd also like to see him tackle entitlement reform.  But unfortunately, all of that probably won't happen. While spending is an issue, the Space Program is something presidents to towards legacy building, so other than joke about it, I see that as no big issue.

However what is a big issue is that prices are rising faster than at any time in the last 6 years, and wages are flat! The combination of the tax cuts and the relief for companies bringing their money back have both done exactly what Trump wanted and the opposite of what the people needed. A few people got jobs and a few people got raises, but they take it right back with higher prices on everything.

You have to ask yourself: Does an company, other than the Tech industry ever get better at anything? In the tech industry they deliver constantly higher quality, and do it at a lower cost... and it's built overseas and shipped back here!!! So why can't the companies here do that?



3)  Trump is not a neo-conservative.  He is somewhat of an isolationist.  It drove me crazy when these neo-cons invaded and destabilized every Middle Eastern country they could get their hands on, such as Iraq.  And Hillary was a neo-con right up there with the best of them.  She voted for the Iraq War as Senator, and as Secretary of State, she worked to actively or passively destabilized Libya, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, etc. This is true, Hillary was indeed more like the NeoCons, but Trump loves dictators, so there's that!

Trump is very cautious committing US Troops, and is reluctant to destabilize Middle Eastern countries.  And example of this is Syria.  Trump very carefully annihilated ISIS, while leaving the Asaad Regime in power.  The result is that Syria has become much more stable.


Is Trump perfect?  Of course not.  He has and will make major verbal and political blunders, such as hiring and then engaging with Manigault-Newman.  But in general, I am happy with his performance and would vote for him again.  And I'm still a registered Democrat.

And I think it's an indication of Trump's success that the media obsesses about people like Manigault-Newman,  Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels, and doesn't even attempt to debate Trump on policy anymore.
However, it's one thing to vote for him, quite another to stick with him now.

1. There is a lot of evidence that Trump is a traitor. Not the kind of traitor that sets out to hurt his country, but the kind that's so greedy that they become the vehicle being used to hurt his country, but no less a traitor.
2. Trump is a racist beyond any doubt, this is beyond a question. To support a racist in any fashion is a direct admission that there are Americans that you don't care about as long as you aren't the one racist attacks are being directed at.
3. Trump has no moral compass. This is the lesser of his sins, and would be a nothing burger except for the fact that the congress provides absolutely no check on his behavior.
4. Trump is a serial criminal. It's likely that both him and his kids will all serve the time they deserve, likely after he's out of office.

But Trump voters appear to not see the shell game both he and the rest of the republicans want to play. Cut the taxes so that their competitor the government doesn't get the money, then raise prices and take it from the unsuspecting suckers and put it into their pockets... works every time!

Note: This is NOT to say the Dems don't have major issues as well, but we're talking about the party in power right now.
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Post  cool breeze on Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:50 pm

Murph wrote:
Oracle wrote:Murph, that's where these discussions go off the rails, personal attacks are easy, and Trump is wide open for a lot of them.

However, dealing with what's actually going on is more appropriate, that's the discussion I'd like to have, not to bash, but to talk about things that affect real people like all of us.

But if that's going to be a problem, I'd rather let this go.

BTW, my sister voted for Trump, so I know all of you aren't racist and nut jobs. She wanted change, that's why she voted for Obama, but in Trump she got more change than she expected.

The reasons I voted for Trump is that 1)  He is not a globalist.  He is a nationalist.  I like Trump's trade policies, and efforts to get trading partners to lower tariffs.  And I like Trump's willingness to protect our primary industries, such as steel, auto manufacturing, etc.  

I also like Trump's efforts at border security and immigration reform, as discussed earlier.  I just don't see how we can afford to provide healthcare, education, higher ed., welfare, food stamps and public housing to every illegal immigrant who wonders into the country and then brings in his extended family. 

Nor do I see that the US has any moral obligation toward them.  Here's a concept:  how about Mexico providing job programs, healthcare and education for their own desperate peasants.


2).  Trump is not a socialist; he is a capitalist.  I like Trump's economic policies of lowering corporate and individual taxes, and lowering regulations.  I particularly like his lowering of regulations toward the coal industry, and other energy industries, which has made the US net exporters of energy, and independent of OPEC's geo-political whims.

And the economy is responding.  GDP growth is over 4%, which we haven't seen in decades.  Almost 4 million jobs have been created under Trump, including 500,00 manufacturing jobs.    And unemployment is at historic lows, including African American and Hispanic unemployment, which Trump seems to take a great deal of pride in.

I do wish Trump would cut spending, in an effort to balance the budget.  He spends too much on the military, and his space program is a boondoggle.  I'd also like to see him tackle entitlement reform.  But unfortunately, all of that probably won't happen.


3)  Trump is not a neo-conservative.  He is somewhat of an isolationist.  It drove me crazy when these neo-cons invaded and destabilized every Middle Eastern country they could get their hands on, such as Iraq.  And Hillary was a neo-con right up there with the best of them.  She voted for the Iraq War as Senator, and as Secretary of State, she worked to actively or passively destabilized Libya, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, etc.

Trump is very cautious committing US Troops, and is reluctant to destabilize Middle Eastern countries.  And example of this is Syria.  Trump very carefully annihilated ISIS, while leaving the Asaad Regime in power.  The result is that Syria has become much more stable.


Is Trump perfect?  Of course not.  He has and will make major verbal and political blunders, such as hiring and then engaging with Manigault-Newman.  But in general, I am happy with his performance and would vote for him again.  And I'm still a registered Democrat.

And I think it's an indication of Trump's success that the media obsesses about people like Manigault-Newman,  Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels, and doesn't even attempt to debate Trump on policy anymore.

Murph you have outlined the same reasons why I voted for Trump. Since Lindon Johnson sent me to Vietnam after stating in his presidential campaign that if he became President he would "Bring the boys home" I have been a registered Independent. However, most of my votes over the years have gone to liberal democrats because I never have liked the idea of the conservative religious right thinking they should have the power to regulate morality. Today in Washington DC over 97% of the registered voters not a straight ticket for progressive democratic candidates who stand for zero intellectual diversity. If you do not get on their bandwagon you are the enemy who must be eliminated or punished. Over 97% of public school teachers and administrators are registered progressive democrats. State supported universities have an even higher percentage around 98.5% of all professors in academe with tenure are progressive democrats who bring politics into their classrooms. If these statistics were reversed and almost everyone involved in the education system or working for local, state or federal government entities were republican, then all remaining liberal democrats who have always been loyal to our Constitutional Republic and want to protect our constitution and Bill of Rights instead of forming new socialist government would be outraged. It has become a game of winning by mainstream folks who don't care about the details and have been indoctrinated by main stream media and public education to the point where their progressive democratic party has become a religion where actually thinking as an individual is not an option. We are in a dangerous time period where the same people who celebrate their 401Ks because of Trumps fantastic ideas that has transformed this country into a place where normal middle class people are now optimistic about their economic future, people who are risking their lives in the armed forces feel they have a President who has their back instead of making soldiers fight with one hand tied behind their backs, where the old "pay to play" accepted tradition of cabinet appointees are not longer allowed to make bogus trade deals in exchange for a piece of the pie, and GDP growth has gone off the charts at over 4% when the former President said it would be impossible for the USA to ever have growth of over 1.5%. No you can't have a healthy economy if you impose thousands of regulations to prohibit growth. The impact of 4.1% GDP growth means for each point 10 million new jobs are created in the private sector along with 3 trillion dollars. If you work for the public sector as a teacher or government employee that means that there is more money generated to fund your job and pay you more money. However, I have not heard one news mouth piece from main stream media on CNN, MSMBC, ABC, NBC, or CBS explain that to their listeners. It is all about "Resist Trump", "Impeach Trump", "Trump is a Racist" which were all slogans created in social media by the Russians who have been identified by the Special Council. You are all supposed to hate all private corporations, all republicans, the police and people in the armed forces and especially Trump. The Trump factor is a momentary reprieve from what is coming where people with their heads in the sand will finally get what they are hoping for and it won't be pretty once our country is turned upside down. What I am wondering is how in hell could anyone who has not been sleeping for the past 10 years could ever vote for Hillary Clinton who should be in jail for breach of security protocol where every military person who violates the rules goes to prison for the slightest infraction. It is not just Hillary who should be going to jail but all elected politicians from both political parties who continue to go into intelligence committee meetings and then leak classified information to reporters. Are those congressmen receiving another pay check for their leaking? If only people could start thinking as individuals instead of worrying about being popular within a group then rational thought could return to the mainstream. But that is not likely to happen. If I could have my way, I would recommend cutting off all public funding to the public school system until administrators demand that employees pledge basic loyalty to our great country. If you go though the process of becoming a new American citizen, that is a basic requirement. Now teachers especially believe they are above this requirement even though they derive their income from pubic tax payer funds some of which come from our military and police ranks. It is very difficult for police officers to serve and protect citizens who hate them. There are always some bad apples in every profession but somehow those who work in law enforcement are now considered by progressive democrats 100% evil doers. And if everyone doesn't go along with that belief they need to be severely punished. There can be no debate. That is now the progressive democratic party. If there are any liberal democrats still around, it is time for them to fight the necessary fight to regain control of that former great party. Trump is an outsider and hated by not only Progressive democrats but also many of the corrupt republicans in the Senate. They want a return to "pay to play. Hey don't worry about paying your fair share of expenses for NATO just give me a large suitcase of diamonds and cash. "Animal Kingdom" is alive and well within our own government and Trump is in their way.

Oracle sorry for going on my rant about IKE. I did that for my Father and his buddies more than anything. By the way, IKE negotiated the prisoner exchange at the end of the Korean war where he returned all of the North Korean prisoners of war but agreed to allow over 5,000 American POWs to remain in N. Korea. A major who accompanied IKE in that trip wrote about it saying on the way home, IKE stated that maybe he could have done a better job of getting all of our soldiers returned but had to honor his original agreement. Then the next morning, IKE played a round of golf as if nothing had happened and everything was classified Top Secret. Thanks to President Clinton that information was declassified during his administration.

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Post  WTF on Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:47 am

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Post  Murph on Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:04 am

Oracle wrote:Murph, that's where these discussions go off the rails, personal attacks are easy, and Trump is wide open for a lot of them.

However, dealing with what's actually going on is more appropriate, that's the discussion I'd like to have, not to bash, but to talk about things that affect real people like all of us.

But if that's going to be a problem, I'd rather let this go.

BTW, my sister voted for Trump, so I know all of you aren't racist and nut jobs. She wanted change, that's why she voted for Obama, but in Trump she got more change than she expected.

The reasons I voted for Trump is that 1)  He is not a globalist.  He is a nationalist.  I like Trump's trade policies, and efforts to get trading partners to lower tariffs.  And I like Trump's willingness to protect our primary industries, such as steel, auto manufacturing, etc.  

I also like Trump's efforts at border security and immigration reform, as discussed earlier.  I just don't see how we can afford to provide healthcare, education, higher ed., welfare, food stamps and public housing to every illegal immigrant who wonders into the country and then brings in his extended family. 

Nor do I see that the US has any moral obligation toward them.  Here's a concept:  how about Mexico providing job programs, healthcare and education for their own desperate peasants.


2).  Trump is not a socialist; he is a capitalist.  I like Trump's economic policies of lowering corporate and individual taxes, and lowering regulations.  I particularly like his lowering of regulations toward the coal industry, and other energy industries, which has made the US net exporters of energy, and independent of OPEC's geo-political whims.

And the economy is responding.  GDP growth is over 4%, which we haven't seen in decades.  Almost 4 million jobs have been created under Trump, including 500,00 manufacturing jobs.    And unemployment is at historic lows, including African American and Hispanic unemployment, which Trump seems to take a great deal of pride in.

I do wish Trump would cut spending, in an effort to balance the budget.  He spends too much on the military, and his space program is a boondoggle.  I'd also like to see him tackle entitlement reform.  But unfortunately, all of that probably won't happen.


3)  Trump is not a neo-conservative.  He is somewhat of an isolationist.  It drove me crazy when these neo-cons invaded and destabilized every Middle Eastern country they could get their hands on, such as Iraq.  And Hillary was a neo-con right up there with the best of them.  She voted for the Iraq War as Senator, and as Secretary of State, she worked to actively or passively destabilized Libya, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, etc.

Trump is very cautious committing US Troops, and is reluctant to destabilize Middle Eastern countries.  And example of this is Syria.  Trump very carefully annihilated ISIS, while leaving the Asaad Regime in power.  The result is that Syria has become much more stable.


Is Trump perfect?  Of course not.  He has and will make major verbal and political blunders, such as hiring and then engaging with Manigault-Newman.  But in general, I am happy with his performance and would vote for him again. And I'm still a registered Democrat.

And I think it's an indication of Trump's success that the media obsesses about people like Manigault-Newman,  Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels, and doesn't even attempt to debate Trump on policy anymore.
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Post  WTF on Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:06 am

Oracle wrote:Wise, this is a small example of how a mismatch in chemistry can throw things off. I know you understand this, but I thought this was such a good example that I would post it. I also blame SVG's out of date practice methods for hurting a lot of our guys!


It was definitely all on SVG but now with Casey in play 55 wins IMO should be expected.  If you go back to my post predicting last season wins the only reason I gave them 39 was because I said SVG would blow 15-20 games with his coaching.  I thought the team was capable then to get 55 without SVG and they should get it this season but I won't predict it. 

Chemistry doesn't concern me, it's commitment and effort that worries me now.
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Post  WTF on Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:56 am

Oracle wrote:Murph, that's where these discussions go off the rails, personal attacks are easy, and Trump is wide open for a lot of them.

However, dealing with what's actually going on is more appropriate, that's the discussion I'd like to have, not to bash, but to talk about things that affect real people like all of us.

But if that's going to be a problem, I'd rather let this go.

BTW, my sister voted for Trump, so I know all of you aren't racist and nut jobs. She wanted change, that's why she voted for Obama, but in Trump she got more change than she expected.

You know some are overly sensitive about that dummy, really that mumu could be backless and I'll still prefer her over this current bag of nuts.  It's sad that a real discussion can't be had about the actual issues that relevant to everyone.  

But as you know already I post my comments anyway, and every time that dummy say's or do something stupid if I feel like posting I'm going to and I encourage you to do the same.   That **** is funny Space Force mission to the sun had my ass crying from laughing.  The man is a moron rather those who support him choose to believe it or not, that's on them but they shouldn't get mad when someone addresses the dumb **** he does, the lies and rude behavior and ignorant things that comes out his mouth daily.   Just because they're okay with it doesn't mean the rest of us should be.

BTW I'm not speaking about all of his supporters but a large majority of them that rather get in a tit for tat . Yes a some of them got way more than they bargain for.  Not all change is good and this president is a perfect example of that.   Damn there goes my Space Wall joke lol
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Post  Oracle on Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:53 am

Murph, that's where these discussions go off the rails, personal attacks are easy, and Trump is wide open for a lot of them.

However, dealing with what's actually going on is more appropriate, that's the discussion I'd like to have, not to bash, but to talk about things that affect real people like all of us.

But if that's going to be a problem, I'd rather let this go.

BTW, my sister voted for Trump, so I know all of you aren't racist and nut jobs. She wanted change, that's why she voted for Obama, but in Trump she got more change than she expected.
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Post  Murph on Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:48 am

That's pretty amusing.  But you know what's even funnier?  Hillary Clinton in a mumu.  It's kinda hard to believe ya'll voted for that sack of poo, isn't it?  Embarassed

Do you guys squat when you pee?  lol






But on to the Space Force: Wise, you'll get to go on an adventure of a lifetime. Trump has figured out how to take a full blown mission and fly to the Sun!

It's pretty hush hush, but I found out his secret sauce: He's going to go at night! Wow, he's brilliant  lol lol lol


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Post  Oracle on Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:08 pm

Wise, this is a small example of how a mismatch in chemistry can throw things off. I know you understand this, but I thought this was such a good example that I would post it. I also blame SVG's out of date practice methods for hurting a lot of our guys!

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Post  Oracle on Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:25 pm

Wise wrote:She's a clown as well.  The White House is/was full of them.  But I'm thinking about signing up for Space Force
She's a clown, but this clown has TAPES  lol lol lol And those tapes are for real and expose a lot more about this clown act of a Presidency.

People appear to believe the economy is good, but it's 10 times worse than under Obama! I wish somebody could tell me why they think it's so good.

But on to the Space Force: Wise, you'll get to go on an adventure of a lifetime. Trump has figured out how to take a full blown mission and fly to the Sun!

It's pretty hush hush, but I found out his secret sauce: He's going to go at night! Wow, he's brilliant  lol lol lol


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The Circus House

Post  WTF on Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:45 pm

Oracle wrote:If we get any more of "The Best" people in this White House, we'll be circling the drain in a NY minute!

On another note, How many racist do you need to screw in a White House light bulb? Inquiring minds need to know!

Leading to Omarosa(one of those best people): Before the election she swore she was a Democrat, the proceeded to betray them. She lands in the White House and proceeds to betray them!

This woman is a real piece of work!


She's a clown as well.  The White House is/was full of them.  But I'm thinking about signing up for Space Force
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