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First half shows difference between a team on the rise and one who cannot grow as long as Piston management insists on using ball dominate point guards

Post  cool breeze on Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:37 am

Looking at the two teams early on in this last game, it was easy to see why the Pistons fell so far behind. The game started out with Philly setting great screens featuring both on ball screens and off ball screens from the opposite side from where the ball was located during Philly possessions. Meanwhile, this game started with Reggie Jackson featuring himself as the MAN. He shot early and often. I concentrated on what was going on within the Piston offense. AD was the only player in this Piston offense who was setting any screens for teammates. And his screens were just not effective at all because he was too late. Yet is that AD's fault? No because the Pistons run no set plays. The point guards try to create something on every possession when AD is on the floor. No weak side action involving any players can be seen. How easy is SVG's offense to defend? Where did the motion offense go? The Pistons tried to run it when Moreland came in but nobody set any screens so Philly's man to man denial defense left Moreland all alone looking for an open cutter or in fact anyone who could get open to receive a pass. And nobody could make the necessary effort to get open. All of the players now depend on the Piston point guard Jackson or Smith to do their thing which means get open with the ball in their hands and shoot it. Meanwhile, Philly players were moving without the basketball on the weak side after teammates set great screens. Their point guards with the exception of Fultz destroyed the Piston defense.

So the article on the opposite side of the page "Piston Ponder What Might Have Been With A Healthy Reggie Jackson" is laughable. When opposing teams are playing well, Detroit cannot compete consistently throughout a game because Piston point guards shoot the ball too early in the shot clock without getting all of their teammates involved in the offense if you can call the Piston's current offense a real offense. The Pistons are playing play ground offense where players get together and choose teams and then play without a coach. The Pistons play offense on a hope and prayer depending low percentage outside shooting and dribble happy point guard creators to create based on read and react type strategy. That style leaves the players who don't touch the basketball scratching their heads wondering what the hell is our point guard going to do on the next possession.

All these losing seasons the Pistons have suffered through and I see no change at all in the overall team IQ or the coaching IQ. Philly has suffered though many long losing seasons yet their head coach has taught his players how to play basketball the right way. It is good that Philly management recognize the quality of their head coach and have not replaced him. Now because of smart decision making by Philly management they have some top talent to run their offense. Great job and I hope Philly has a nice run in the playoffs. Meanwhile, our Pistons remain in first level play on the bottom rung always meant to be floundering around while their point guards show off their read and react creativity and the rest of the players wish they could be playing on another team. SVG has allowed this nonsense to go on and encouraged it. The Pistons has a nice winning streak where the point guards shared the basketball more than they usually do. Now their true colors have emerged again. If any of you have this game recorded, just watch the last half of the first quarter and the 2nd quarter and you can see the difference between the Pistons and Philly.

By the way, AD reverted back to his old form in the first half as well. He switched on the high pick and roll plays when the Piston guard was clearly in front of the Philly guard AD switched off to. So AD's man rolled to the basket wide open for an easy basket. Why do I mention this? If the Pistons ever do make the playoffs, opposing teams then breakdown all of the opposing team's weaknesses and exploit their bad habits. When you erase the hot shooting Piston players have experience in their winning streak that got them that winning streak, you can see the flaws which are basic fundamental weaknesses in individual player's games. I expect about the same Piston record next season if the coaching staff is not replaced and some trades are not completed.

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Griffin

Post  Murph on Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:05 am

The injury bug continues for Blake Griffin. Of his 8 seasons in the NBA, he's only been healthy for 3 of them. This year, he's played a total of 58 games, which is his second fewest number of games in his career. It seems totally unrealistic that Griffin will stay healthy for next year, and the 3 years beyond that, especially as he ages and becomes even more injury prone.

So we'll basically be paying Griffin $35 - $40 million a year for the next 4 injury plagued seasons, until his contract finally expires.
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That's a wrap folks

Post  Sparma on Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:48 pm

Watched some of the end of the game.  Credit to Tolliver, and really everyone, for keeping going in a spirited way to the bitter end.  Tolliver and Bullock 11-15 on 3s!!?  Ish slapped hands with the guy mopping up liquid on the floor at the end.  Classy guy.  This is a pretty fun group really, just not good enough (Griffin out, but Embiid too, who's been killing us).

I've been a big fan of Philly's tanking, as you know, but hadn't expected them to be so decisively better than the Pistons this season already, both in direct competition and in overall performance.  In fact, I thought the Pistons would be better one more year.  And of course, Philly stands to improve more too, with better draft picks (currently #10, #26, as well as four (!!!) second rounders), more money space (for now), and better young talent.   Oh well, it's only a game.  And I do think we could be a lot better next season than this one (even though the long term outlook is dim).

The time of gaining a major advantage through tanking may be coming to a close, if too many teams join the run to misery.  It's one of those strategies where it pays to be ahead of the curve, when the likes of SVG were smugly pointing to the lack of success of the strategy.  Post-Astros that can't be said again.  And the 1-31 Browns are about to reap the fruits of outbadding the worst.
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UM, Dre

Post  Sparma on Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:43 pm

Great season by UM. I'd be delighted if UM football could make it to the championship game any time soon (or even in my lifetime?!). Rumors floating about Jay Wright to the pros, maybe the Knicks. (also heard Stackhouse linked to the Knicks). Time for a change for us: I'd still get excited by a Billups/ Stackhouse combo.

Good point about a mean streak in Drummond being welcome, Murph; timing's still important (with the other team just having scored 7 straight), but we do want him to show some nastiness. He's really been finishing strong, especially with Griffin out. I've got my doubts about him but, dang, it's not often that an established player improves this much in a season: FTs, passing stats, consistency of effort up, joining league leaders among blocks, better D. If he really could develop a decent 8-10 shot, we'd really have an anchor, his flaws notwithstanding.

Murph wrote:Sparma....I agree that it wasn’t smart for Drummond to let Acy goad him into a shoving match, so that they got tossed.   But I have mixed emotions about it.  In the past, Drummond has been a gentle giant, a big kid, as Oracle put it.  I liked the mean streak that Drummond displayed.  Maybe he’s finally growing up.  


Villanova just had too many weapons.  Their best player, Brunson was off his game.  But De Vincenzo, Bridges and Spellman picked up the slack.  I thought those four players, along with Michigan’s  Wagner can definitely play in the NBA, and should be late 1st rounders or early 2nd rounders when they come out.
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Bummer Indeed

Post  WTF on Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:38 pm

Okay now that I've stop crying I can say what a Great! Great Season My Wolverines gave me.   I love this team to death everything Maze & Blue and I wouldn't be shocked if they're in the Final Four next year.  Hats of and congrats! clap

That kid on Nova really saved them I was thinking Michigan could pull this out and for a moment it looked that way.  

I wanted to be mad at all this Spartans and Buckeye fans in Arizona rooting against Michigan until I remember how much I root against them.  I do the same thing some times accept I do it quietly in silence.   I think this is the only time I do stuff like this most of the time it's Division, Conference like in the NBA I can never cheer for a West Coast Team beating an East Coast Team.   Man I cheer for whomever playing against the Spartans and Buckeyes and when they play each other I hate MSU so much I actually cheer for the Buckeyes.   

I would like to be to cheer for the Spartans but they're such asses that can't win gracefully and I hate hearing their mouths.  It was funny they were pumping fist and high 5's all over the place like they actually went to Nova.  Really if it was the Spartans against Nova as a Wolverine fan I just wouldn't have took the time and watched the game.  

Just know this Spartan and Buckeye Fans deep down you wish it was your school playing Monday lol
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Don & Murph

Post  Oracle on Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:16 pm

Don wrote:Too bad the NCAA championship is not based on a best of 3 set up. I think the officials took a lot of juice out of the team in the first half disrupting the flow of the game and making some questionable calls against Michigan. The players started the game running their offense but too many players were off their game shooting the ball from distance. The game slipped away very quickly in the 2nd half with some hot shooting from their star player who comes off the bench. Will he declare for the draft now?

I am sure the returning Michigan players will use this game as motivation to do the hard work needed in the off season. This was a special Michigan team. Nobody expected much and the players surprised everyone with their heart and courage. Winning the conference championship means more than casual fans think. You need a lot of luck as well as skill to win the National Championship. Great job Michigan!
Don, the officiating in that game was nothing short of horrible. While it's not an excuse, they favored Nova in almost every situation, but that's life. In the end, Nova was simply the best team that night! A best of 3 would be nice, but I do like the win or go home format for youngsters like this.

This, IMO, is basketball at it's purest and finest. Win or lose, every team that made the final 4 achieved an amazing feat to get there, and I enjoyed every minute of it.
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Villanova just had too many weapons. Their best player, Brunson was off his game. But De Vincenzo, Bridges and Spellman picked up the slack. I thought those four players, along with Michigan’s Wagner can definitely play in the NBA, and should be late 1st rounders or early 2nd rounders when they come out.
Murph, their main players were off because early in the game Michigan's defense was stellar, but the quality off the bench was just too much. De Vincenzo was amazing, I knew he had some chops, but what he did under the bright lights was a special performance.

I just wish our Pistons had somebody like that coming off the bench, dare I say it, a Vinnie "Microwave" Johnson. Lots of credit to Nova for the win, and great credit to the coaches who, IMO, could take SVG to the woodshed any day of the week!
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Post  Murph on Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:34 pm

Sparma....I agree that it wasn’t smart for Drummond to let Acy goad him into a shoving match, so that they got tossed.   But I have mixed emotions about it.  In the past, Drummond has been a gentle giant, a big kid, as Oracle put it.  I liked the mean streak that Drummond displayed.  Maybe he’s finally growing up.  


Villanova just had too many weapons.  Their best player, Brunson was off his game.  But De Vincenzo, Bridges and Spellman picked up the slack.  I thought those four players, along with Michigan’s  Wagner can definitely play in the NBA, and should be late 1st rounders or early 2nd rounders when they come out.


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Tough loss for Michigan but the players and coaches should be celebrating a great season

Post  cool breeze on Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:30 am

Too bad the NCAA championship is not based on a best of 3 set up. I think the officials took a lot of juice out of the team in the first half disrupting the flow of the game and making some questionable calls against Michigan. The players started the game running their offense but too many players were off their game shooting the ball from distance. The game slipped away very quickly in the 2nd half with some hot shooting from their star player who comes off the bench. Will he declare for the draft now?

I am sure the returning Michigan players will use this game as motivation to do the hard work needed in the off season. This was a special Michigan team. Nobody expected much and the players surprised everyone with their heart and courage. Winning the conference championship means more than casual fans think. You need a lot of luck as well as skill to win the National Championship. Great job Michigan!

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Michigan vs Villanova

Post  Oracle on Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:35 pm

The experts agree, Villanova will win!!!

I think if I wasn't a Michigan fan, I might feel the same way, so pardon my possibly homer comments.

What the experts don't see: Defense is a HUGE wild card!!!

IMO, Michigan's defense is why they're there! They've shown the ability to defend so well that even when they can't score, they stay in games and find a way to win.

What I see: Michigan matches up very well with Villanova! Why? Well, if they defend, I think they can disrupt Villanova's offense in a way that Villanova can't do to theirs.

In short, Michigan can out score them, and if Michigan's offense gets going, this could be a blowout.

The thing I worry about is in a close game, the Wolverines don't shoot FT's very well, and that would be a killer.

My Pick: Michigan by 10

GO BLUE!!!
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Post  Oracle on Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:26 pm

Pistons: It's easy to do well when the pressure is off. I don't give 3 craps about them winning now, I've mostly lost interest, and that is remarkable!

I've watch when I knew they were going to lose damn near every game and enjoyed it, but not this season. Stan Van Gundy makes me SICK! I thought Joe was full of crap, but SVG is worse in a lot of ways.

Sadly, Sparma is likely right, his reward for winning meaningless games will give Gores the excuse he needs to let him finish out his contract, so we'll be treated to another season of lame ass excuses.

Moves will be difficult, but we have a lot of bums on this team as I've said before. 

1. Keep the big 3 because moving them will be hard, Reggie would be the easiest, but with little return.
2. Keep the youngsters Kennard, Ellenson and let Stanley prove himself in his 4th year
3. Keep Ish because he's a very good change of pace off the bench, and emergency starter
4. Everybody else is expendable, and even the above are if the right offer comes along.

What to expect next year?
1. I think Drummond finally realizes most of the potential we need to see from him, especially on the defensive end... he finally becomes a man instead of an overgrown kid.
2. Reggie finally regains his best form, having rested most of two seasons in a row
3. Blake will be Blake, no better, no worse
4. Ellenson BETTER get his full shot, Kennard gets better. While I don't see a massive improvement in Stanley, he should get better or he's gone.
5. Everything else depends on the supporting cast. No team contends for much without role players that can deliver

Finally, if they're going to succeed, it will have to be in spite of less than average coaching. If Gores had an ounce of basketball smarts in him, he'd see that this team needs a coaching change more than anything else. Even more than changing the supporting cast.

A coaching change will be disrupting, but by season start the kinks should be worked out.
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Post  Sparma on Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:19 pm

Drummond: with the Nets cutting the lead from 20 to 13, I don't think you can let that thug Acy get your goat. You're far more valuable to your team than he is.

Jarrett Allen looks like he's got a bright future.

Outstanding game from Stanley J. Still a guy with significant limitations, the biggest of which may be not recognizing his limitations (SJ: I'm a good shooter). He can be valuable though.

Kennard: Kelser mentioned that the Pistons may give him some PG experience in the summer league, and praised his passing. He'd become more valuable as a genuine combo guard, although I think his limited quick will keep him from being a go to PG routinely.

Dominant at PG!! 40+ points. I need to start giving more credit to Reggie J than I do.

And Ish Smith's been improving from distance. Kelser keeps mentioning that, and the recent numbers back him up. Reggie J in the background of an Ish interview: Ish works harder than anyone else on the team. That's how it's done: you improve in practice, then try it in the game.

Good win. SVG now a near inevitability as coach next year? Might not be the worst thing, although I've ceased being an SVG fan. It's his roster, and this is roughly the roster that will play out next year. I felt the team just wasn't responding to him a month ago, that they'd gotten sick of him, like the rest of us, but maybe not. I'd love for us to hire the next Brad Stevens, the next young Rick Carlyle, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards. One way or another, I can't see big changes coming until after next year, and even then it might be tough unless we just start shipping guys out like AD and Reggie J for less than full return.
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Free Press article on Luke Kennard - Wonder if Luke will play some point guard in summer league

Post  cool breeze on Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:55 pm

Some Piston fans have identified that Luke Kennard could fit well as an NBA point guard because of his basketball IQ. I am a believer. Most likely the Pistons will go into training camp with Reggie and Ish. I think Buycks has a two year contract but am not sure. With Jackson Piston management cannot be sure that he can stay healthy or effective for an entire season. It appears that SVG and his staff have noticed that Kennard has more to give than just filling a spot in the rotation as a shooter. Luke says it himself. He believes that he is more than that. He is a play maker. If the Pistons want to keep the turnovers down and get more players involved in the offense, it would be wise to start the process of making Kennard a true combo guard who can step in and play the point guard position effectively in regular season games. What is not to like about this idea? Lute offers better defense than either Reggie or Ish. Kennard is not a ball dominate type of play maker. He has the quick recognition skill set and knows where the ball needs to go. He recognizes the mis matches and can create better floor balance then either Smith or Jackson because he is not a dribbler eating away the shot clock. I think the Pistons would be able to create more ball and player movement with Kennard operating the Point guard position. There could be some bumps in the road with Luke playing two different positions but I think he would love the challenge. Who do you trust with the ball? I trust Luke Kennard's ability to become a team leader. Going back to his days as an All State quarterback, Kennard has always had an advantage because of his high sports IQ. It doesn't matter what the sport is for some athletes. Kennard has the gift. I hope he plays some summer league games and gets some coaching at the point guard position. It appears that SVG and his staff have been discussing this idea now for awhile.

Johnson scored 17 points in this last game. It appears that some doubters might need to give this guy a break and encourage him instead of saying "get rid of him. Johnson is a bust". I think the Piston posters who say that have limited long term vision. And they don't know this player at all. And maybe that is true for myself with my previous analysis of Andre Drummond's potential to get better. Maybe the Pistons are close to breaking out and these young players just need more time working on their weaknesses and playing ball together. What has been going on lately sure is sweet.

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NCAA Finals

Post  Murph on Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:18 pm

While I've enjoyed watching Villanova's run, I fear that Bunson has played himself into the 1st round of the draft. I think the Pistons might have to take Kansas' Devonte Graham or West Virginia's Jevon Carter.

Tonight's game should be fun to watch.


Quincy Acy is a thug with limited NBA talent. box
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Michigan

Post  Sparma on Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:05 pm

Heck of a run, but I think it ends with another 2nd place place tonight.

I don't think Michigan was the underdog vs Seton Hall: they were both #3 seeds, with Michigan ranked just ahead of them in the polls (10, 11) in the regular season. Michigan had one of the greatest shooters ever in Glenn Rice, along with other pros to be like Terry Mills (I saw him hit 13 3 pointers as a Piston). The game where they would have been the underdog was v Illinois in the semis.

Michigan's finished runner up 5 times. The game v North Carolina was the killer, not just because of the Webber blunder, but because UM seemed like the far better team.

Fantastic coaching by Beilein. I think Michigan's going back among the blue blood programs, now getting the recruiting boon that didn't really happen post-2013.

But unless Villanova's way off, they'll be champs tonight (incidentally, as I remember one of the greatest finals upsets ever was v Georgetown which had already beaten them three times).
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Post  cool breeze on Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:29 pm

WTF wrote:Yes they're going is as the underdog but they also were in 89 beating Seton Hall.  Think this game will be close I don't think Nova has seen perimeter defense like Michigan's all season.   I think coach will make the right adjustments as he always does and Michigan wins a close one.  GoBlue!!!! clap

Speaking of Blue I swear I hate we never gave Burke a chance here,  he looked great tonight for the Knicks 18pts 15ast not bad at all.  I still prefer him over Ish hell even over Reggie to a small degree.  Good to see him back playing again I still believe in this kid so Go Blue again Trey Burke banana

WTF cool of you to bring up the Seton Hall game in 1989. Nova must be cocky and maybe over confident due to their incredible performance against Kansas. However, we must remember that a midget team named Arizona State beat Kansas at Kansas this season and Arizona State ended up near the bottom in the PAC12 this season. When all of those outside shots were falling for Nova I kept thinking how difficult it is to repeat that type of long distance shooting percentage in the following game. But Nova is a solid team so this will have to be Michigan's best game of the season come Monday.

On to the Pistons. I didn't watch the game until this morning. What I liked was how everyone has come together as a team. There is a difference for sure from the current team and the Piston team that was playing in the dead of winter. First off I witnessed Andre Drummond play perhaps the first quarter of this game 100% better than he has ever played defense in any previous first quarter. That showed me that he came prepared to play NY from the opening tip. AD was ready to play. He was spot on with every defensive rotation challenging opponent shots in the paint and going out quickly on open shooters on the baseline. On offense I can't recall AD causing even one turnover in the entire first half. I really want the Pistons to secure the services of a top rated point guard but it is clear if AD can play the way he is currently performing, and be that rim protector Greg Kelser identified in him last night, the Pistons will be in the thick of a playoff run next season. I had previously thought about a possible trade with the Suns to get some of their draft picks and a starter involving AD. I no longer want AD traded. AD seems to be happy being a Piston and maybe Detroit can be a winner with him leading the way.

The 2nd unit fought back from a deficit late in the 3rd quarter. Eric Moreland got two deflections leading to turnovers and made a tough floater running full blast in the paint during that stretch. Also, Henry Ellenson was running like a deer on the hardwood. Did anyone notice his speed? It reminded me of the days when I watched Arron Gordon play basketball for the U of Arizona. Gordon stood out from all of the other players with his long strides and ability to go from baseline to baseline with amazing speed for a big guy with his amazing speed. Fans notice this gift of speed with big men more when you see it live when actually attending games. Ellenson has that gift. In the stretch when the Pistons turned the game around, Ellenson got back quickly on defense on a Piston miss and prevented a layup by holding his position without fouling. Then he dribbled the basketball the full length of the court and dished off in the paint for an assist. Henry made a sweet 3 point baseline jump shot as well during that period of time. I love the spin Henry gets on the basketball when he releases his jumper. I think Henry Ellenson if given the minutes will change this Piston team. Somehow the coach will have to find minutes for Henry. What is not to like about Tolliver? We need him on this team next season. So with Griffin and Tolliver, how can a coach find minutes for Henry? I think Ellenson will need to make the switch for the time being to center. However, Griffin can also play center with the 2nd unit depending on matchups. There must be a way to fit Ellenson into the rotation so the combination of Griffin and Ellenson might become deadly.

The Pistons have been up and down this season. Is this string of wins a sign that there has been a breakthrough for the players who are not performing so well? The energy or effort is outstanding. Right now I do not want any changes to take place. The team chemistry is outstanding. The younger players are getting better. AD is becoming a consistent paint defender. and that is the key for Piston success. There is always room for improvement with every position but the chances that the Pistons will grow into something special are good. Reggie Jackson is not perfect. But last night I saw him play better defense. He didn't hog the basketball as much. Smith provided that surge of high energy off the bench. Bullock, Johnson, Kennard, Ellis all seem to work well for this team. I know there are a lot of doubters relating to Johnson's shooting ability. But he provides the team with a defensive stopper and play maker and his shooting was not so bad in this last game. And there is no doubt in my mind that Stanley will become a more consistent jump shooter. He has learned how to get spacing to create his own shot. Johnson should have graduated from college this spring. He is young, smart and hates losing. SJ will figure his shooting stroke out.  But the forgotten Henry Ellenson will not be forgotten for long I suspect. He has that special speed and shooting stroke you don't often see in a big guy. I think Henry would have been better off playing in GR and being the star player on that team this season. He just needs minutes. Notice all of those reject players currently performing well for New York including Burke. I wanted him over Pope. But like our young Piston players, it takes time and hard work before you can figure out how to play well in the NBA.

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Bummer

Post  WTF on Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:39 pm

They Didn't Fired Him!!!!!!
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GO BLUE!!!!!!

Post  WTF on Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:47 am

Yes they're going is as the underdog but they also were in 89 beating Seton Hall.  Think this game will be close I don't think Nova has seen perimeter defense like Michigan's all season.   I think coach will make the right adjustments as he always does and Michigan wins a close one.  GoBlue!!!! clap

Speaking of Blue I swear I hate we never gave Burke a chance here,  he looked great tonight for the Knicks 18pts 15ast not bad at all.  I still prefer him over Ish hell even over Reggie to a small degree.  Good to see him back playing again I still believe in this kid so Go Blue again Trey Burke banana
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Post  Sparma on Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:28 pm

Watched the end of the Pistons game (during the Michigan halftime), again with Drummond playing big. I'm afraid that the team has shown enough with Reggie back to convince Gores to keep on SVG for his final year as coach, likely with Arn Tellum taking over in the front office.

I can't take credit for WTF's eloquent statement on UM, Don. Weird that the final score makes it look like a fairly easy game. Not at all, in fact. Heck of a game by Mo Wagner, which Grant Hill called one of the best semifinal performances that he's seen. Credit to some halftime adjustment by Beilein, leading to better D and more flowing O. In the first half, UM just wasn't hitting shots, with Wagner keeping them in it, with some help from Matthews.

cool breeze wrote:
WTF wrote:@Sparma,  It won't be that big of a bummer it's really hard to be disappointed in a Final Four appearance.  Looking at them initially and all season really I could only guess they would go as far as the Elite 8.  However watching them win the Big Ten Championship made me just a little bit more hopeful in thinking that yes they could win it all.

I think this Wolverine is coached extremely well,  they do a whole bunch well and fundamentally correct, they're not the most talented team but clearly the tougher team and smartest team remaining.  They kind of remain of all our championship teams across all sports.  They are built tough!!!

So Go Blue!!!!

Sparma I loved what you wrote here about this Michigan team. i just finished watching the Florida-Michigan game again. What was cool about that game was how they responded in the first half when Florida played really well. They kept grinding and using their brains out on the court and it all came together in the 2nd half. The way this Michigan team has grown together throughout the season is a thing of beauty. The players are smart. They play together exceptionally well especially on defense. They mix in a full court press at times and never look stagnate. The players see the court on offense and share the basketball. The big men know the angles and are never caught standing while always boxing out board crashers. The coaching is outstanding for sure at Michigan. Nobody predicted this at all. Regardless of what happens today or Monday, this Michigan team will be remembered for a long time. Michigan's opponent is a great story as well. I wish both teams could be matched up with one of the teams playing the other game today.

I love Wagner's game. He needs to add some weight for the NBA but I predict he will be an outstanding pro. Wish he could become a Piston. We need smarter players. NBA DRAFT NET has Wagner going two spots above the Pistons in the 2nd round. Interesting to see that this draft site has the Pistons taking a center in Wiley.
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Post  cool breeze on Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:50 pm

WTF wrote:@Sparma,  It won't be that big of a bummer it's really hard to be disappointed in a Final Four appearance.  Looking at them initially and all season really I could only guess they would go as far as the Elite 8.  However watching them win the Big Ten Championship made me just a little bit more hopeful in thinking that yes they could win it all.

I think this Wolverine is coached extremely well,  they do a whole bunch well and fundamentally correct, they're not the most talented team but clearly the tougher team and smartest team remaining.  They kind of remain of all our championship teams across all sports.  They are built tough!!!

So Go Blue!!!!

Sparma I loved what you wrote here about this Michigan team. i just finished watching the Florida-Michigan game again. What was cool about that game was how they responded in the first half when Florida played really well. They kept grinding and using their brains out on the court and it all came together in the 2nd half. The way this Michigan team has grown together throughout the season is a thing of beauty. The players are smart. They play together exceptionally well especially on defense. They mix in a full court press at times and never look stagnate. The players see the court on offense and share the basketball. The big men know the angles and are never caught standing while always boxing out board crashers. The coaching is outstanding for sure at Michigan. Nobody predicted this at all. Regardless of what happens today or Monday, this Michigan team will be remembered for a long time. Michigan's opponent is a great story as well. I wish both teams could be matched up with one of the teams playing the other game today.

I love Wagner's game. He needs to add some weight for the NBA but I predict he will be an outstanding pro. Wish he could become a Piston. We need smarter players. NBA DRAFT NET has Wagner going two spots above the Pistons in the 2nd round. Interesting to see that this draft site has the Pistons taking a center in Wiley.

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Keeping Fingers Cross

Post  WTF on Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:25 pm

@Sparma,  It won't be that big of a bummer it's really hard to be disappointed in a Final Four appearance.  Looking at them initially and all season really I could only guess they would go as far as the Elite 8.  However watching them win the Big Ten Championship made me just a little bit more hopeful in thinking that yes they could win it all.

I think this Wolverine is coached extremely well,  they do a whole bunch well and fundamentally correct, they're not the most talented team but clearly the tougher team and smartest team remaining.  They kind of remain of all our championship teams across all sports.  They are built tough!!!

So Go Blue!!!!
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Fun game

Post  Sparma on Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:08 pm

Good win over Washington, without Griffin.

Dre totally dominant, which I'm glad to see you acknowledged, Don.  I do agree that Gortat's given him loads of trouble in the pass.  Kennard's good at pass to AD, getting a nice pass right down the middle to him.

Ellenson's the big story, given how little he's played.  He's got a lot to give offensively, eg, running up the floor for a dunk.  He also showed me something on a tap in, even though it was called offensive goal tending.  On one play, he was matched defensively against (SF) Oubre.  Oubre ran right by him for the score, even though Henry had appeared to be in place defensively, with lots of arm waving.  I don't see a high ceiling for him defensively, but maybe he can get to be okay there.  His best chance, I think, is to really bulk up, so that he can play back up C, as well as like a powerful forward.  Offensively, he can and should improve his shot, but he's already got a lot going there, combining skill (polish) and energy.

He, Moreland, and Buycks look like our equivalent of baseball's AAAA players for now. Yes, they can do some nice things for you, and do some nights, but there's probably quite a bit of comparable talent out there either just in or just out of the NBA. Still, if everything breaks right for them, each of those guys could be a nice NBA contributor for a good while.

And to Wise: yes, it is fun to have a Michigan team with the inside track on appearing in the championship.  A smart, overachieving, enthusiastic team.  Glad I get to root for them.  Of course if Loyola beats them, the season will end on a big bummer.
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Post  cool breeze on Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:29 am

Murph wrote:Nice calls in your post yesterday, Don.   Rolling Eyes

I really can't even read the crap you post anymore.

Sorry Murph many errors so my apology for causing you any unhappy moments. My depressing post might have inspired the Piston team last night. Andre Drummond played inspired basketball for 3 quarters when matched up against Gortat. This marks the first game in AD's career where he has kicked his ass. Gortat started out scoring easily against AD in the first quarter but that all changed as the game progressed. In the 4th quarter Gortat was on the bench and AD seemed out of sync again on defense but still got some big rebounds. If AD is engaged and prepared to bring his A game meaning he has prepared before the game starts for his specific opponent and is willing to play hard AD can be part of a winning team.

What stood out to me was the floor play of our young perimeter players, Bullock, Johnson and Kennard. All three players had great moments on the defensive end. Johnson's defense on Beal in the 2nd half was very good. Bullock and Johnson are helping each other getting ball deflections and switching with the correct timing. Kennard has the ability to penetrate score or make the right pass and he was really good on defense too. This combination of three young guys might turn out really good for the Pistons next season. This was the first playoff team the Pistons have beaten since February. Washington didn't have Wall and Porter went down with an ankle injury but still Washing had been playing basketball at a high level before this game so my optimism is becoming stronger Murph.

The combination of Tolliver and Ellenson worked out well too. Henry did well in my opinion. He has some good quickness and showed off a variety of offensive moves. He just needs more meaningful minutes like he had last night in the future.

Smith had another great game. There is a big difference when Ish is on the court instead of Reggie Jackson. I didn't like it at all when Reggie dominated the basketball in crunch time. He did make a 3 pointer and had a nice drive to the hoop but wasn't really able to get the necessary penetration throughout the game that the team had with Smith who didn't turn over the basketball. Reggie has missed a lot of time but still I wish the Pistons had another option for next season. But who knows it appears that my opinion about the chances of Detroit having a good season next year might be wrong. Maybe this young group of kids just needs more time to create something really good. Griffen was out and he dominates the offense. It was good to see how the Pistons shared the basketball throughout the game until crunch time when Reggie took over. Those are the moments that I do not like. The rest of the team starts standing around. Reggie is confident in his ability to score against 5 opposing players but I am not so sure he can pull it off. And I want the young guys like Bullock, Kennard and Johnson to learn how to make big shots when games are on the line. This might be nit picking on my part because the Pistons did win but in the long run defenses will gear up to get Reggie into difficult positions on the floor where he will create turnovers at critical moments if this doesn't stop.

I still would like to see a big trade involving AD who is the only Piston player who could bring in a game changing player for the Pistons. That would be a gamble because you may be right that AD might blossom into the best center in the NBA. But the Pistons need a top tier young point guard. That player will only come through the draft. The rest of this team is still really young. While saying that I know nothing will happen so I am pulling for AD to become great.

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More Fake News From Don

Post  Murph on Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:05 am

Nice calls in your post yesterday, Don. Rolling Eyes

I really can't even read the crap you post anymore.
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I am still enjoying your posts more than the Piston games. No hope unless there is a severe roster change so buckle up and expect another flop starting in the month of December or January

Post  cool breeze on Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:06 pm

As far as I am concerned this was a repeat from last season with the most of the same caste of characters playing basketball in the heart of winter like losers always do. Kevin O'Neill told me once to watch the teams that fold starting around the Christmas holidays until around the last 10 games of the season. The highest paid players on those teams are usually the leaders in causing the losing not the young lower paid players. We had a big trade that screwed up the Pistons chances this season so everyone can blame Tom Gores for the Pistons current state of dysfunction. The string of wins means nothing now at all period. It is good that the players are excited about winning but they failed the test when it mattered again.

It was nice that we didn't have to watch Leur play power forward this season. How about that for a positive?

I also pulled for Buycks and enjoyed the times when he played well.

I has never made me happy to watch Andre Drummond play basketball. He is not a smart player and never has been a smart players. Smart players always are on the winning team. The Lakers game was a perfect example. I thought AD was the worst starter on the floor. It was Griffin who took the hard contact in the paint on defense. Drummond got his usual amount of rebounds but he was the guy who kept throwing the ball to the Laker players once he did secure a defensive rebound. And he seemed to always get outsmarted in the paint on defense. His offense was not any better either. More shot selection. Below average passing. He did make too free throws when Luke Walton initiated the Hack a Drummond in the 4th before the 2 minute mark. I stand by my gut feeling that AD makes too much money for a guy who is always on a losing team. He was more engaged this season though. There is no way the owner will part with him so I have to hope that posters like Murph have really found something meaningful in those stats AD has piled up.

Reggie Jackson still looks like a hot dog type player to me. He did some good things in the Laker game but always seemed to be on the verge of incurring another serious injury. Was he faking some of those antics? Who knows but Ball ran circles around him.
The news today is that Blake Griffin will sit this game out. Maybe he knows that the Pistons never have a chance to beat Washington. How will Blake take spending another season with the Pistons? Does he have something in his contract that allows him to sit out games against the playoff teams? Just kidding. My hope is that Griffen will be a serious player next season and work with his teammates over the summer and place some demands on all of them to work hard and get better prepared to play better basketball. He looks like a leader type. Who knows but that seems to be the Pistons best hope that Griffin kicks ass and takes names and I am talking about the players he has been forced to play with with that comment.

The Lakers lost but who would not gladly trade our entire team for that Lakers team and their coaching staff and perhaps their owner as well. Oh and I agree with the comments from WTF relating to both 1 and 2. Great job all and I suspect that nobody will guess that the Pistons will make the playoffs next season or have a winning record. The big news now will be who the Pistons select in the 2nd round. I am sure that Piston management will take the entire summer off with no trades before the next trade deadline. We have one thing going for us. We are conditioned to watching Piston players who lose a lot of games because they are not very mentally tough yet. Will the result from this season inspire some of the young players to do the necessary hard work to play better? We have to hope that happens. I have no belief that AD will be a different player next season. He was the same guy in high school, college and has remained the same guy for too long. Who will outsmart him next year? I imagine DeAndre Ayton will and other rookies that will not know much at all about playing in the NBA will study game film and see that AD still hasn't decided that he will box out opposing players crashing the boards when he is on defense. AD will be working on his offense again or resting in the off season. While saying that I hope like hell that he tired of losing and will transform himself to a smarter more consistent NBA player who makes few turnovers and more winning plays. He is still the guy who can change the landscape for the Pistons. And of course we need a real point guard too. Ish Smith played one hell of a game against the Lakers though. But failing to draft Mitchell because SVG wanted to protect both Jackson and Smith has really hurt the Pistons future.

This is another repeat the same old stuff that I am tired of talking about and you are tired of reading it is depressing to think about the Pistons chances next year. The big decision will be if the Piston fans who live outside the State of Michigan will actually pay for a subscription next fall.

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Fret Not There Will Be A Team From The Great State Of Michigan In A Championship Game!!!!!

Post  WTF on Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:18 am

This team has 8 games remaining and I need them to win five of them to successfully get to my prediction of 39 wins, I knew I should have predicted 37 wins because that seems more likely to happen.  In any case the cause remains SVG.

I hear everyone on their suggestions/ideas for the future moving forward after this season.  A lot of it seem like great commons sense ideas, even some with a hint of desperation but still feasible provided this or that.    Sadly we have a problem perhaps 2 problems 1st nothing we as fans come up with as solutions
won't matter as long as SVG is still in place.  We must realize that SVG is the sole problem with teams period not firing him will only make things worse if he's coaching this team next season. 2nd problem is Gore because even if he did fire SVG I don't think he's bright enough to hire the right replacement either Gore won't hire based on qualifications he do it base on what's trending or popular.  I think that's how we ended up with SVG in the first place.

Even if we make no change with the players it was clear many of you thought this team was capable of winning 50 games as is.  I think RJ, BG, and AD could carry the team to 50 wins (not a championship) but only with the right coach.  Just about any suggestion for next coach would be better than SVG I think Gore really do need to steer this team back towards tradition (Will Require Him Eating Some Crow)  but he has 3 decades of past Pistons players to pick from to lead the charge.  

Keep Hope Alive People and Go Blue!!!
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