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Here's what will save SVG's season...

Post  Oracle on Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:24 pm

The re-emergence of Reggie & Drummond, our two true stars. When these guys are right, we win, maybe not in the best way, but we are a very dangerous team. 

Add to that the effect of Stanley & Bradley assisting by limiting the penetration to the basket and a better rim protector in Drummond, we should win games at a good clip even if we don't shoot particularly well.

Here's what's driving my optimism...

http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/focused-dominant-drummond-emerging-pistons-anchor-camps-first-week wrote:AUBURN HILLS – Reggie Jackson came through his first no-holds-barred training camp practice with flying colors Friday, but all he wanted to talk about was Andre Drummond.
Two bits of good news for the Pistons in that:

[*]One, Jackson wasn’t particularly unburdened by clearing that hurdle in his return from last year’s nagging left knee tendinosis because that’s how confident he is in the results of the deliberate off-season protocol Pistons trainers established for him, and …

[*]Two, Drummond’s been downright dominant in camp so far.
“He’s been a freak amongst men out here,” Jackson said. “Every rebound is his. He’s trying to break the rim every time he gets it. He’s trying to protect the paint. He’s running hard. … He’s been playing tremendously well.”

Drummond is a lean 280 pounds after losing 35 pounds, he said, over the summer. He had surgery to repair damage to his nose that limited his breathing to one nostril and that – coupled with what he called off-season “soul searching” – has him dialed in to a greater degree than at any time in his five-plus years since the Pistons drafted him.

“I feel fantastic,” he said. “The two-a-days aren’t grueling on my body. I’m taking the necessary steps to take my recovery a lot more seriously than I did in previous years. It’s really boiled down to I’m being a professional. I’m taking the necessary steps to make sure I’m at my best.”

There’s a different vibe in training camp this year by unanimous anecdotal evidence and Stan Van Gundy feels Drummond’s influence is a contributing factor.





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I swear SVG is beginning to remind me of the bad Joe...

Post  Oracle on Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:33 pm

Yes, yes, a million times yes... you understand SVG!

His goal is to change NOTHING! He fully believes his schemes will work with better shooters, of course, everything appears to work with better shooters, but, IMO, it will just hide for awhile the flaws in SVG's schemes.

His plan is clear:
1. Play Bradley EXACTLY how he played KCP... long and hard and preferably hanging out on the 3 point line to jack up that last minute off balanced shot that appears to be what his offense is designed to generate.
2. Talk up the youngsters! Hey, why not, that's the only bone they can expect to get unless there's a sh!t load of garbage time this year.
3. SVG doesn't over pay scrubs for nothing, he plans to use them early and often

I have two hopes with SVG. First I hope he does play Kennard with the respect he gave Stanley in his first year, and secondly that he learned something about this team last year as it relates to guard play and ball movement.

It won't be long before we start to get some answers...
cool breeze wrote:Take a look at the article "Five Goals for Langston Galloway". Here we have the truth of what SVG must have penciled in way before training camp began. No matter what happens in training camp SVG will have blinders on. He signed Galloway for $7 mil a year. Therefore, Galloway will be the backup 2 guard this season and the next two seasons unless Bradley signs elsewhere next summer. SVG will work Bradley to death playing him 35 minutes a game so he will be warn out by playoff time. Galloway will get the scraps. SVG will tell the press that Luke like Henry is not ready. Of course all of this line of bull is orchestrated to protect his two amazing ball hog point guards Jackson and Smith. We will see them slowly dribble the ball up the court and look for a small opening for themselves if AD is not immediately open. Ball dominate point guards make me cringe. There is no way the Pistons can win with those two point guards. Both are inferior defenders. Neither point guard is capable of organizing the offense so the team plays both sides of the court. Neither point guard can think two plays ahead. That is why they need to dribble so much. Meanwhile this team will not grow at all being that the best players will seldom touch the basketball.

SVG is a fraud. He is not objective. Every decision he makes involves what he does as the guy who picks and signs free agents. They get the playing time. There will be no development of the young players. There will be no development of the other 4 players who get on the floor with SVG's designated point guards. This team needs Avery Bradley to play point guard. They need Luke, Stanley, and Tobias to be key offensive players. If they do not touch the ball then we will not see any screening, movement without the basketball of the ball going from one side of the court to the other. This is Tim Hardaway style of basketball. SVG has him handling the guards. Remember how ball dominate he was as a player? Sorry Piston fans but this Piston organization has a rigged system. Get ready for our players to get their asses kicked. Nobody will play aggressive defense if those talented defensive players seldom touch the ball unless the shot clock is expiring.

So Galloway will suck up the 10 minutes or so minutes left after Bradley plays 30 plus minutes at the 2 guard. He might be able to do it though because he will be standing in the baseline corner much like Pope and Johnson did last season. He will wait and watch not having a clue what in hell the scatterbrain point guards are trying to do. That is because neither guard knows in advance what they will do. They will read and react. Everything within the offense will depend on them. How stupid can you be SVG? You think fans want to see that nonsense. No Michigan basketball fans know when you are trying to sell them a circus act.
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Re: FORUM

Post  cool breeze on Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:11 pm

WTF wrote:College Basketball is gone to hell in a hand basket and it's a damn shame.


Greed is the biggest part in this and as Barkley stated all is to blame (Shoe Companies, Sport Networks, and the freaking NBA)   


First things first the NBA needs to stop the one and done and require players to go the full 4 years of college, colleges should not have multiple shoe contracts (pick one , Nike, UA or Adidas) 


Secondly put these games back on local TV networks

WTF Tucson is the home of the U of Arizona. This is a basketball city like none I have ever lived in. Everyone is attached to the college basketball program in an emotional way. Attendance is as high as any place in the country despite a crapy list of home games over the past 6 years. Arizona was ranked number 1 in many polls. Everything looked bright. Then the hammer hit with the FBI arrest of a long time assistant coach of Sean Miller. Richardson makes over $225,000 a year in salary. He claims to be a people person. But he was caught moving money around to the Mother of one kid and keeping some of it in his own pocket. I think it was around $15,000.00. Now the question is how many players if any on the current team have received or greedy parents received from a shoe company. Many believe that football is more corrupted than basketball but basketball is easier for the FBI to create sting operations relating to agents who create this corruption. But to break the rules for chump change by this U of A coach is amazing.

Even when I coached high school basketball and we had conference meetings, I was always amazed by the fact that so many high school basketball coaches were clearly doing the job to promote themselves. It was about them not the players who play and decide the outcome of the games. What can they make in the summer camps. How they did this or that in coaching made by want to skip those meetings. Some didn't have egos but most were A holes who I would not enjoy playing for. Being a coach is like being a Father. It is not about you. Your role is to do your best to help make kids successful. Your only reward is to be a witness after putting in long hours of work to see the kid become successful and to have the good fortune to witness what happens because you were there as a mentor. The sports networks or television networks, shoe companies, AAU corrupt coaches, and some of those coaches who move up to the college ranks as assistants acting like they really have the best interest of the player have caused this ugly mess. And of course some of the parents of the players show their true colors too has they latch on to their kids and try to suck they dry asking for handouts from college recruiters to get their sons or daughters to sign. This not only goes on in football and basketball but even girls softball where girls who are in the 7th grade are followed and courted by all the major universities. College coaches in girls softball make amazing money now. What kind of money is being passed on to parents in that sport?

I agree with you regarding the NBA too. Let 18 year old kids go from high school to the NBA. Doing that will weaken that sport even more and the quality of play will continue to drop as the NBA front office adds more meaningless games to the schedule to increase their revenue. At some point fans will walk away from this game. And fans following their favorite college team are tired of those 5 star athletes getting so much attention and then leaving after one season. I think a lot of fans appreciate watching smaller college teams play because they can watch young kids develop and form a bond with those players knowing they will be developing before their eyes for 4 years.

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It appears that SVG's game plan will be the same old thing that will mean more boredom for fans - SVG's two point guards are etched in stone -Jackson and Smith and nobody else

Post  cool breeze on Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:39 pm

Take a look at the article "Five Goals for Langston Galloway". Here we have the truth of what SVG must have penciled in way before training camp began. No matter what happens in training camp SVG will have blinders on. He signed Galloway for $7 mil a year. Therefore, Galloway will be the backup 2 guard this season and the next two seasons unless Bradley signs elsewhere next summer. SVG will work Bradley to death playing him 35 minutes a game so he will be warn out by playoff time. Galloway will get the scraps. SVG will tell the press that Luke like Henry is not ready. Of course all of this line of bull is orchestrated to protect his two amazing ball hog point guards Jackson and Smith. We will see them slowly dribble the ball up the court and look for a small opening for themselves if AD is not immediately open. Ball dominate point guards make me cringe. There is no way the Pistons can win with those two point guards. Both are inferior defenders. Neither point guard is capable of organizing the offense so the team plays both sides of the court. Neither point guard can think two plays ahead. That is why they need to dribble so much. Meanwhile this team will not grow at all being that the best players will seldom touch the basketball.

SVG is a fraud. He is not objective. Every decision he makes involves what he does as the guy who picks and signs free agents. They get the playing time. There will be no development of the young players. There will be no development of the other 4 players who get on the floor with SVG's designated point guards. This team needs Avery Bradley to play point guard. They need Luke, Stanley, and Tobias to be key offensive players. If they do not touch the ball then we will not see any screening, movement without the basketball of the ball going from one side of the court to the other. This is Tim Hardaway style of basketball. SVG has him handling the guards. Remember how ball dominate he was as a player? Sorry Piston fans but this Piston organization has a rigged system. Get ready for our players to get their asses kicked. Nobody will play aggressive defense if those talented defensive players seldom touch the ball unless the shot clock is expiring.

So Galloway will suck up the 10 minutes or so minutes left after Bradley plays 30 plus minutes at the 2 guard. He might be able to do it though because he will be standing in the baseline corner much like Pope and Johnson did last season. He will wait and watch not having a clue what in hell the scatterbrain point guards are trying to do. That is because neither guard knows in advance what they will do. They will read and react. Everything within the offense will depend on them. How stupid can you be SVG? You think fans want to see that nonsense. No Michigan basketball fans know when you are trying to sell them a circus act.

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Greed Is A Mutha*********

Post  WTF on Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:32 am

College Basketball is gone to hell in a hand basket and it's a damn shame.


Greed is the biggest part in this and as Barkley stated all is to blame (Shoe Companies, Sport Networks, and the freaking NBA)   


First things first the NBA needs to stop the one and done and require players to go the full 4 years of college, colleges should not have multiple shoe contracts (pick one , Nike, UA or Adidas) 


Secondly put these games back on local TV networks
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Interesting But It Won't Work

Post  WTF on Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:11 am

Oracle wrote:While it won't prevent tanking, it does limit the incentives to tank a little.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2735734-nba-reportedly-passes-anti-tanking-draft-reform-player-resting-rules?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial wrote:ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported Thursday that the NBA Board of Governors passed new rules for draft lottery reform and player resting.

Wojnarowski noted that the new lottery system meant to curb tanking will be in place for the 2019 NBA draft.
As part of the reformed lottery, the team with the NBA's worst record will no longer have sole possession of the best odds to get the No. 1 overall pick, as seen in this chart tweeted by Wojnarowski:

Each of the three worst teams will have an equal chance to get the first pick at 14 percent, whereas the worst team used to have a 25 percent chance followed by the second-worst at 19.9 percent and the third-worst at 15.6 percent.



Not sure if it would slow teams from tanking 1,2,3 still isn't bad.  If they want to truly avoid tanking then reverse the odds completely by giving team #15 the better odds.  Teams should be penalized for tanking and it make sense to give a team on the cusp of making the playoffs better odds especially if they are perhaps a lottery pick away from the next level. JMO
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Post  WTF on Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:03 am

Oracle wrote:While it won't prevent tanking, it does limit the incentives to tank a little.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2735734-nba-reportedly-passes-anti-tanking-draft-reform-player-resting-rules?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial wrote:ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported Thursday that the NBA Board of Governors passed new rules for draft lottery reform and player resting.

Wojnarowski noted that the new lottery system meant to curb tanking will be in place for the 2019 NBA draft.
As part of the reformed lottery, the team with the NBA's worst record will no longer have sole possession of the best odds to get the No. 1 overall pick, as seen in this chart tweeted by Wojnarowski:

Each of the three worst teams will have an equal chance to get the first pick at 14 percent, whereas the worst team used to have a 25 percent chance followed by the second-worst at 19.9 percent and the third-worst at 15.6 percent.



No reason that at least two these three shouldn't get major burn, I never really gave SJ much praise I still have issues with his mechanics on his shot as well as his shot selection.  But Kennard and Ellenson are fundamentally advanced as stated it obvious when you look at the film prior to being drafted you could see that both are naturally gifted with HIGH BB IQ's.

Sure it wouldn't hurt if Ellenson puts on a little more strength but SVG should have seen enough of Tayshuan whipping on his Orlando team not to be overly concerned with that.  Not many dum dums are coming from Kentucky, Duke and NC especially those that are not your 1 and done flash in the pan.  

AS a coach it seems stupid to sell us on players you draft and then don't play them especially when you're picking lottery players.
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NBA Reportedly Passes Anti-Tanking Draft Reform, Player Resting Rules

Post  Oracle on Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:23 pm

While it won't prevent tanking, it does limit the incentives to tank a little.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2735734-nba-reportedly-passes-anti-tanking-draft-reform-player-resting-rules?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial wrote:ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported Thursday that the NBA Board of Governors passed new rules for draft lottery reform and player resting.

Wojnarowski noted that the new lottery system meant to curb tanking will be in place for the 2019 NBA draft.
As part of the reformed lottery, the team with the NBA's worst record will no longer have sole possession of the best odds to get the No. 1 overall pick, as seen in this chart tweeted by Wojnarowski:

Each of the three worst teams will have an equal chance to get the first pick at 14 percent, whereas the worst team used to have a 25 percent chance followed by the second-worst at 19.9 percent and the third-worst at 15.6 percent.

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DX, you don't have a problem...

Post  Oracle on Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:58 pm

You're getting excited and prepared for this coming season, and here's something that should excite ALL of us.
http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/encouraging-sign-pistons-future-svgs-3-no-1-picks-shining-camp wrote:Kennard continues to display the things that moved the Pistons to take him in June’s lottery, poise and an advanced offensive feel to go with a deadly shooting stroke.
Absolute Music to my ears!

I dare SVG to treat Kennard badly, this forum knows where to find the pitch forks and torches to get his Frankenstein Ass run out of town  lol lol lol
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Post  deusXango on Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:31 pm

Oracle wrote:@DX - You made a sweeping statement and put down some to elevate others. You may be right, I'm not sure, but I was taught that if I have to put others down to make something else look good, I have the problem... just saying!
DX wrote:Talk about addition through subtraction, just as we subtracted KCP and Morris from the roster, it increased the quality of the team, I.Q. wise, the subtraction of Jackson will do the same for the improved play of Drummond. It'll give him a team to anchor and play to his strengths. Every guard we have is capable of running the P & R so that alone isn't a reason to overly depend on an asthmatic, gimpy kneed, $15 million PG, who may not deliver...it's time to move on, if you love the home team.
As I said, you may be right, but there is another way to look at this. Does SVG's system encourage and drive bad decision making? What happens if the system works such that Bradley HAS to take bad shots because the clock is exhausted and he has to take an ill advised shot? That tends to happen a lot in SVG's system as well as a lot of other dumb things because movement is poor.

But why is movement poor, is the question you should ask. It's poor because game after game of watching Reggie and Drummond dance together, what's the point of moving... pull up a chair and pick your nose(since Drummond's nose is clear now, the pickings will be slim).

But thanks for the info, Morris and KCP were the problem, so everything will be alright...

@Ballin - Yes, I'm coming around because I think Drummond & Reggie will be alright. I'm also stoked about seeing our new rookie get the PT he deserves and seeing if my faith in him is justified. I already believe that we will make the playoffs, the only outstanding question is at what seed. Stanley got generous PT as a rookie, and I expect to see the same for Kennard.

@Wise - SVG does have two sides of his mouth and he is also capable of talking out of his arse as well! One is just a bit more odorous that the others Smile
Yeah, I have a problem.
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SVG Stubborness

Post  WTF on Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:18 pm

Reggie situation reminds me of Jodi Meeks situation where SVG was reluctant to admit he fucked up.
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Post  Oracle on Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:53 pm

@DX - You made a sweeping statement and put down some to elevate others. You may be right, I'm not sure, but I was taught that if I have to put others down to make something else look good, I have the problem... just saying!
DX wrote:Talk about addition through subtraction, just as we subtracted KCP and Morris from the roster, it increased the quality of the team, I.Q. wise, the subtraction of Jackson will do the same for the improved play of Drummond. It'll give him a team to anchor and play to his strengths. Every guard we have is capable of running the P & R so that alone isn't a reason to overly depend on an asthmatic, gimpy kneed, $15 million PG, who may not deliver...it's time to move on, if you love the home team.
As I said, you may be right, but there is another way to look at this. Does SVG's system encourage and drive bad decision making? What happens if the system works such that Bradley HAS to take bad shots because the clock is exhausted and he has to take an ill advised shot? That tends to happen a lot in SVG's system as well as a lot of other dumb things because movement is poor.

But why is movement poor, is the question you should ask. It's poor because game after game of watching Reggie and Drummond dance together, what's the point of moving... pull up a chair and pick your nose(since Drummond's nose is clear now, the pickings will be slim).

But thanks for the info, Morris and KCP were the problem, so everything will be alright...

@Ballin - Yes, I'm coming around because I think Drummond & Reggie will be alright. I'm also stoked about seeing our new rookie get the PT he deserves and seeing if my faith in him is justified. I already believe that we will make the playoffs, the only outstanding question is at what seed. Stanley got generous PT as a rookie, and I expect to see the same for Kennard.

@Wise - SVG does have two sides of his mouth and he is also capable of talking out of his arse as well! One is just a bit more odorous that the others Smile


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SVG Will Reluctantly Do The Right Thing

Post  WTF on Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:21 pm

Don't worry folks Reggie is all but gone before the season starts I promise this  tb


SVG has no choice but to get rid of Jackson just a damn shame that he's not coming to this conclusion in a proactive manner but instead out of desperation and no other options.  


SVG lets his stubbornness and emotions gets in the way of rational thinking. Pride sucks when it keeps you from doing the right thing like starting Kennard at and perhaps Ellenson  at PF.

We Elllenson may not be the better defensive option he certainly makes the most sense.  I don't think he's a horrible defender but he's being punished because Andre is a worse defender at center but you have 25 million a season committed to his ass.  A lot money for a guy that can't pick up the slack defensively nor carry a team offensively. Just why are we paying him again?


How in the **** do you sing the praise of Kennard and not start him?  I asked this question once and I'll ask again, so can someone tell be outside of never playing in an NBA game what has anyone seen about his game from college to SL and early praises of training camp that say's he doesn't deserve to start come the beginning of the season.   I recall a lot of you Gun-ho about Knight Starting as a rookie and IMO Kennard if far more advance IQ and ability wise than Knight ever was.  I can also say he more advance than SJ as well who some thought was worthy of starting.   facepalm
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Post  cool breeze on Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:17 pm

deusXango wrote:
BallinD wrote:Y'all, I look at Kennard as our prized rookie, because from what I see he does not play like a typical lottery rookie, what with his handles, feel for the game, poise and of course shooting!!  I have not been this excited about a Pistons rookie since Drummond, and I expect him to be an impact player on the perimeter, from the eye test.  He just looks like a "Player."

Kennard: “Avery is such a smart player, so to go against a guy like that every day, you feel like you learn so much every possession against him or with him,” Kennard said Wednesday. “He’s a competitor and plays so hard, you follow that because he gives everybody a sense of urgency when he’s on the floor.

“Being able to watch him (on defense) and what he does on the floor and what he thinks about the game while it’s going on, you can take part of what he does and put it in your own game.”
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Reggie; I love the Pistons. I was there for the dark and frustrating days in Cobo, to the tough minded "Bad Boys" days. I watched one of the best players of his time leave it all on the floor, in that ugly ass teal, before bolting to the sunny skies of Florida and out of the ashes rose up another champion, we fans could embrace for representing the spirit of Detroit, the "Going to Work Crew" of 2004. I love the Pistons, but the recent Pistons haven't brought me the pride I so enjoy!

BallinD has taken me back to, what I believe is a most logical and intriguing suggestion, starting Bradley and Kennard. What's the difference in starting a backcourt that's high scoring and defensively sound vs. a backcourt that the #1 defender is the smallest man in the starting lineup and the PG is the weakest? The answer should be obvious. Sight unseen, I believe Kennard is a stronger defender than Jackson right now. How many lottery teams are searching for minutes for their prize rookie, regardless of what imaginary shortcomings their coach finds? The real question is, who has the highest I.Q. and more team oriented at PG, Bradley or Jackson? Both are sound ball handlers, but defense is the mantra of the coach, who plays the stingiest defense? Every great backcourt that the Pistons have had (Isiah and Joe/Chauncey and Rip), spent a lot of time together and shared a great rapport; Kennard seems to be Bradleys' man (positions aside) more so than Jackson. Bradley PG and Kennard SG!

Next year sign Avery to what he's worth to us and remember Luke is playing on a rookie contract. Galloway should be what he was signed to be...a bench player. IMHO he's potentially a great 6th man, completing a formidable three guard rotation; if all goes well, Galloway and Bullock should "kill" opposing 2nd unit backcourts. We've got shooters and scorers, who can defend, in the backcourt.

Talk about addition through subtraction, just as we subtracted KCP and Morris from the roster, it increased the quality of the team, I.Q. wise, the subtraction of Jackson will do the same for the improved play of Drummond. It'll give him a team to anchor and play to his strengths. Every guard we have is capable of running the P & R so that alone isn't a reason to overly depend on an asthmatic, gimpy kneed, $15 million PG, who may not deliver...it's time to move on, if you love the home team.


Well done dX. I wonder how much of an impact Bower has in influencing SVG. There is no question that SVG's GM has a high regard for Galloway. But you are correct dX. Kennard is our number one draft pick and he is special because of his ability to quickly adapt because of his strong will and amazing basketball IQ. Reggie Jackson gave us his heart and sole and was mostly responsible for Detroit making the playoffs two years ago. But teams now know how to play Reggie and there is much more involved with Reggie's health problems than management is letting on. His cardio conditioning was horrible last season. He was always out of breath and that made it impossible for him to give much of an effort on defense. As he tried to work himself into game shape last season, nothing improved regarding his stamina. There is no way Reggie Jackson should be handed a rotation spot now. He was perhaps the worst guard in the league last season who got playing time based on results.

The idea of Bradley handling the ball and setting up the offense is the smartest thing SVG could do. He seems to be fighting that idea perhaps because he wants to find a way to play Reggie so he can trade him. But that is the problem of head coaching having a duel role. SVG needs to concentrate completely on doing the right thing regarding coaching. The combination of Bradley, Kennard, and Johnson could be incredible. We would have three high IQ skill players going into the playoffs for the first time in years. Perhaps during the first few months, Galloway will be a very valuable player. When Detroit plays a team like Washington, Kennard is going to struggle going up against Beal. But eventually Luke will be less of a liability on defense for sure. And you are correct that right now Kennard makes the team much better if he is on the floor instead of Reggie. I just don't see based on Reggie Jackson's style of play where he is only effective dominating the basketball that he can fit in with the current roster players.

It seems that Ellenson might take a back seat again this season because he has been labeled as a defensive liability. I think all he needs is regular playing time. He is a superior player to Leuer. He is smarter, stronger and can become an outstanding scorer. SVG will be making a big mistake keeping Ellenson out of the rotation for another season. Henry can play either center or power forward. Leuer cannot play center based on his inability to defend any power forwards in the league. If Boban is unable to keep up with up tempo teams or suffers injury early on, Ellenson must be ready. I have confidence in Moreland as well. One writer suggested that AD will be on a shorter leash this season. Any signs of slacking around December and January, SVG has to remember that short leash idea and get both Ellenson and Moreland ready for the big time.

Without Reggie, unless Reggie creates a new Reggie, this team should be fun to watch. Ish Smith must change his ball dominate style which I think he will do and he must improve on defense. But the options are there for this coach. Galloway is a tough minded defender. Tolliver is very excited about his return to Detroit and his impact on the team will be impressive even if he plays limited minutes. There is a lot to be excited about including the rumor that AD has lost 30 pounds and is playing more attention to detail in this camp.

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Post  deusXango on Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:13 am

BallinD wrote:Y'all, I look at Kennard as our prized rookie, because from what I see he does not play like a typical lottery rookie, what with his handles, feel for the game, poise and of course shooting!!  I have not been this excited about a Pistons rookie since Drummond, and I expect him to be an impact player on the perimeter, from the eye test.  He just looks like a "Player."

Kennard: “Avery is such a smart player, so to go against a guy like that every day, you feel like you learn so much every possession against him or with him,” Kennard said Wednesday. “He’s a competitor and plays so hard, you follow that because he gives everybody a sense of urgency when he’s on the floor.

“Being able to watch him (on defense) and what he does on the floor and what he thinks about the game while it’s going on, you can take part of what he does and put it in your own game.”
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Reggie; I love the Pistons. I was there for the dark and frustrating days in Cobo, to the tough minded "Bad Boys" days. I watched one of the best players of his time leave it all on the floor, in that ugly ass teal, before bolting to the sunny skies of Florida and out of the ashes rose up another champion, we fans could embrace for representing the spirit of Detroit, the "Going to Work Crew" of 2004. I love the Pistons, but the recent Pistons haven't brought me the pride I so enjoy!

BallinD has taken me back to, what I believe is a most logical and intriguing suggestion, starting Bradley and Kennard. What's the difference in starting a backcourt that's high scoring and defensively sound vs. a backcourt that the #1 defender is the smallest man in the starting lineup and the PG is the weakest? The answer should be obvious. Sight unseen, I believe Kennard is a stronger defender than Jackson right now. How many lottery teams are searching for minutes for their prize rookie, regardless of what imaginary shortcomings their coach finds? The real question is, who has the highest I.Q. and more team oriented at PG, Bradley or Jackson? Both are sound ball handlers, but defense is the mantra of the coach, who plays the stingiest defense? Every great backcourt that the Pistons have had (Isiah and Joe/Chauncey and Rip), spent a lot of time together and shared a great rapport; Kennard seems to be Bradleys' man (positions aside) more so than Jackson. Bradley PG and Kennard SG!

Next year sign Avery to what he's worth to us and remember Luke is playing on a rookie contract. Galloway should be what he was signed to be...a bench player. IMHO he's potentially a great 6th man, completing a formidable three guard rotation; if all goes well, Galloway and Bullock should "kill" opposing 2nd unit backcourts. We've got shooters and scorers, who can defend, in the backcourt.

Talk about addition through subtraction, just as we subtracted KCP and Morris from the roster, it increased the quality of the team, I.Q. wise, the subtraction of Jackson will do the same for the improved play of Drummond. It'll give him a team to anchor and play to his strengths. Every guard we have is capable of running the P & R so that alone isn't a reason to overly depend on an asthmatic, gimpy kneed, $15 million PG, who may not deliver...it's time to move on, if you love the home team.
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Post  BallinD on Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:58 pm

Y'all, I look at Kennard as our prized rookie, because from what I see he does not play like a typical lottery rookie, what with his handles, feel for the game, poise and of course shooting!!  I have not been this excited about a Pistons rookie since Drummond, and I expect him to be an impact player on the perimeter, from the eye test.  He just looks like a "Player."

I ask, who would you rather have mentoring and going against Kennard in practice; I say Bradley hands down.  I loved KCP's efforts, but his IQ and skills are not on the same level, though he is faster and taller. Even Oracle is coming around... lol lol

Cool That article also mentions how much Kennard is learning from Avery Bradley. Avery is going to be the greatest thing the Pistons have had in a long time. He is a leader and is a outstanding communicator just as the article stated. Bradley is just the player a guy like Kennard needs. Thanks for being a good guy Avery. Too bad Johnson didn't have a mentor like Bradley in his first two seasons. Bradley will lead by example as his basketball IQ is not only really high but he is a player who is highly motivated. I was hoping against hope that Bradley would start at point guard with Kennard starting at the 2. Then add Johnson at small forward and Piston defense could be a beautiful thing. Hopefully SVG will get the combinations down right this time. It will be interesting to see how Galloway fits in and also Tolliver should be fun to watch again.

WTF: I hope the Kennard build up isn't a bunch of fluff from SVG and that what he say's is true about how hard it'll be not giving him PT.   I have a lot of confidence in this kid that goes far beyond the obvious stuff.   My gut say's this kid will be great if giving the opportunity and it sound like that's what SVG is talking about doing.  

Kennard could have easily gone top 10 and I think in hindsight a lot of teams might regret that they passed on him before the season is over but that largely depends on how SVG handles him.  If SVG does the right thing as I suspect and that is trade Reggie real soon then I see no reason not to start Kennard at SG and move Bradley to PG.


Kennard: “Avery is such a smart player, so to go against a guy like that every day, you feel like you learn so much every possession against him or with him,” Kennard said Wednesday. “He’s a competitor and plays so hard, you follow that because he gives everybody a sense of urgency when he’s on the floor.

“Being able to watch him (on defense) and what he does on the floor and what he thinks about the game while it’s going on, you can take part of what he does and put it in your own game.”
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Post  BallinD on Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:55 pm

Y'all, I look at Kennard as our prized rookie, because from what I see he does not play like a typical lottery rookie, what with his handles, feel for the game, poise and of course shooting!!  I have not been this excited about a Pistons rookie since Drummond, and I expect him to be an impact player on the perimeter, from the eye test.  He just looks like a "Player."

I ask, who would you rather have mentoring and going against Kennard in practice; I say Bradley hands down.  I loved KCP's efforts, but his IQ and skills are not on the same level, though he is faster and taller. Even Oracle is coming around... lol lol

Cool That article also mentions how much Kennard is learning from Avery Bradley. Avery is going to be the greatest thing the Pistons have had in a long time. He is a leader and is a outstanding communicator just as the article stated. Bradley is just the player a guy like Kennard needs. Thanks for being a good guy Avery. Too bad Johnson didn't have a mentor like Bradley in his first two seasons. Bradley will lead by example as his basketball IQ is not only really high but he is a player who is highly motivated. I was hoping against hope that Bradley would start at point guard with Kennard starting at the 2. Then add Johnson at small forward and Piston defense could be a beautiful thing. Hopefully SVG will get the combinations down right this time. It will be interesting to see how Galloway fits in and also Tolliver should be fun to watch again.

WTF: I hope the Kennard build up isn't a bunch of fluff from SVG and that what he say's is true about how hard it'll be not giving him PT.   I have a lot of confidence in this kid that goes far beyond the obvious stuff.   My gut say's this kid will be great if giving the opportunity and it sound like that's what SVG is talking about doing.  

Kennard could have easily gone top 10 and I think in hindsight a lot of teams might regret that they passed on him before the season is over but that largely depends on how SVG handles him.  If SVG does the right thing as I suspect and that is trade Reggie real soon then I see no reason not to start Kennard at SG and move Bradley to PG.


Kennard: “Avery is such a smart player, so to go against a guy like that every day, you feel like you learn so much every possession against him or with him,” Kennard said Wednesday. “He’s a competitor and plays so hard, you follow that because he gives everybody a sense of urgency when he’s on the floor.

“Being able to watch him (on defense) and what he does on the floor and what he thinks about the game while it’s going on, you can take part of what he does and put it in your own game.”
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Post  cool breeze on Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:53 pm

Oracle wrote:Here we go, as SVG starts with the excuses, even before the first game, SMH!
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2017/09/27/detroit-pistons-luke-kennard-stan-van-gundy/709134001/ wrote:Van Gundy did hedge a little in saying he could see a way the rookie isn’t on the floor when the season begins Oct. 18 at Little Caesars Arena when the Charlotte Hornets visit.

But he sounds doubtful of that outcome.

“We've got good depth at the wings, so it's possible he could end up out of the rotation,” Van Gundy said. “He's just really good. He's got great skills, he can shoot and pass, and he's just got a very good feel for the game, even defense. The game comes pretty easily to him, particularly on the offensive end.”

Hard for SVG to keep a 10 million dollar man Jon Leuer on the bench. SVG cannot admit any mistakes when it concerns signing free agents. He has Boban to worry about so SVG must hope that nobody will notice when he plays Leuer at the start of the season. Thanks for providing SVG's comments. The plan must be to start Leuer at power forward and move Tobias Harris to small forward. Kennard will have to average 30 points a game in the pre season perhaps to make SVG's rotation. That combination of AD and JL didn't work last season and it won't work this season. Still it is great to see AD has lost that much weight and according to the posted story today, AD is working his butt off even with a sprained ankle.

That article also mentions how much Kennard is learning from Avery Bradley. Avery is going to be the greatest thing the Pistons have had in a long time. He is a leader and is a outstanding communicator just as the article stated. Bradley is just the player a guy like Kennard needs. Thanks for being a good guy Avery. Too bad Johnson didn't have a mentor like Bradley in his first two seasons. Bradley will lead by example as his basketball IQ is not only really high but he is a player who is highly motivated. I was hoping against hope that Bradley would start at point guard with Kennard starting at the 2. Then add Johnson at small forward and Piston defense could be a beautiful thing. Hopefully SVG will get the combinations down right this time. It will be interesting to see how Galloway fits in and also Tolliver should be fun to watch again.

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It's going to be hard to keep Luke off the floor... Maybe!

Post  Oracle on Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:43 pm

Here we go, as SVG starts with the excuses, even before the first game, SMH!
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2017/09/27/detroit-pistons-luke-kennard-stan-van-gundy/709134001/ wrote:Van Gundy did hedge a little in saying he could see a way the rookie isn’t on the floor when the season begins Oct. 18 at Little Caesars Arena when the Charlotte Hornets visit.

But he sounds doubtful of that outcome.

“We've got good depth at the wings, so it's possible he could end up out of the rotation,” Van Gundy said. “He's just really good. He's got great skills, he can shoot and pass, and he's just got a very good feel for the game, even defense. The game comes pretty easily to him, particularly on the offensive end.”
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Mark For Stupid - Above the Dumb - Hard To Digest These are just a few of his new movies to be released

Post  WTF on Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:14 pm

land Of Craziness wrote:Former Hollywood action star and new Russian citizen Steven Seagal bashed the recent wave of "disgusting" NFL player protests and defended Russian President Vladimir Putin -- in a live interview from Moscow with the Kremlin in the background.

"For anyone to think that Vladimir Putin had anything to do with fixing the elections, or even that the Russians have that kind of technology, is stupid," Seagal told Piers Morgan on ITV's "Good Morning Britain" Wednesday. "This kind of propaganda is really a diversion."
Seagal, who accepted Russian citizenship from Putin in 2016, praised the Russian president as "a great world leader" and "brilliant tactician."

Now this some funny ****
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Post  WTF on Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:50 pm

I hope the Kennard build up isn't a bunch of fluff from SVG and that what he say's is true about how hard it'll be not giving him PT.   I have a lot of confidence in this kid that goes far beyond the obvious stuff.   My gut say's this kid will be great if giving the opportunity and it sound like that's what SVG is talking about doing.   

Kennard could have easily gone top 10 and I think in hindsight a lot of teams might regret that they passed on him before the season is over but that largely depends on how SVG handles him.  If SVG does the right thing as I suspect and that is trade Reggie real soon then I see no reason not to start Kennard at SG and move Bradley to PG.
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Post  WTF on Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:18 pm

Oracle wrote:
Sparma wrote:Great exchange on hot button political/ sports issues of the day.  You guys have gone beyond the polarizing discourse that's, sadly, so characteristic in contemporary American society.  Impressive stuff.
It is impressive that we can do what the nation appears to be incapable of right now... take on tough subjects respectfully.

Props to everyone!

We aren't idol worshipers or like communist, who tow the line because someone demands it... We're Americans!


Even still there a certain level of pain that comes with these types of discussions.   A lot of times tolerance fades and then we're back to one-sided conversation.   Still great that we can have these conversations beyond our norm of basketball.
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Post  Oracle on Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:33 pm

IMO, Drummond losing 30 pounds will do more for his game than that rogue booger operation!

Reggie is important, but a fully engaged Drummond will energize everyone and open a lot of opportunities for this team. Some of the greatest teams are led from either the PG or Center position.

Then there's the comments from Kennard about Bradly in practice that's really encouraging. He said that Bradley is vocal, intense, and when he's on the floor, the other players feel the need to match that intensity.

That's good news in that he's leading with his game... I'm starting to believe!
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I totally agree with Sparma

Post  Oracle on Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:27 pm

Sparma wrote:Great exchange on hot button political/ sports issues of the day.  You guys have gone beyond the polarizing discourse that's, sadly, so characteristic in contemporary American society.  Impressive stuff.
It is impressive that we can do what the nation appears to be incapable of right now... take on tough subjects respectfully.

Props to everyone!

We aren't idol worshipers or like communist, who tow the line because someone demands it... We're Americans!
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Politics has entered professional sports and it is here to stay. Meanwhile families who have lost sons, daughters, parents and spouses have or will be walking away from the NFL and the NBA and they want their money back

Post  cool breeze on Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:24 pm

There are a lot of vets still living and they remember their fallen comrades. Families who are grieving over their lost loved ones lost in battle serving our country do believe the country has been damaged now that race has been brought into the picture relating to our flag and national anthem. Some could care less if the flag were burned in front of them on their way to a game. Others will cringe and they will never return. When I was a kid we always had to stand for the pledge of allegiance in elementary school. If we joined the Cub Scouts, Girl Scouts or Boy scouts we had to pledge that we would be good citizens and do our best to God and our Country. Remember that anyone? Now kids are taught to hate our country. The Louisiana Purchase shows how evil America is to Hispanics says a public high school teacher to stir up hate and indoctrinate his students. Last week a 3rd grade football team were told to take a knee on the football field in California and the coach made sure that a television film crew was there to film it. 3rd graders are supposed to be care free aren't they? Why are kids being forced to participate in politics? There is an agenda in the public schools. It used to be a violation of the teaches oath to give your students your own personal political viewpoint. Now it is the norm regardless of the subject. And nothing is said about how lives are destroyed because of teen aged pregnancy and failure to graduate from high school. Somehow people on school boards today do not think that is important.

A nerve has been touched and it might simmer down a bit but will never go away.  What used to be a fun (going to pro and perhaps college football and basketball games) is now an event about race. People are tired of the propaganda and will get as far away from that as possible. Few older people want to re live the 1960s. Maybe although I didn't like it then, perhaps the disco era should brought back into play to calm the waters. Peace and harmony and happy music could be used to stop those who want to pit Americans against each other. A cool vibe in the air might work until the media latches on to the latest monster event to get the hate rolling again. Many say the organization sponsored by George Sorus known as Black Lives Matter has a foot hold in our society in a big way. George Soros and other powerful people and nations could care less about Black lives. He and others have different motives. George likes to capitalize financially after he creates a revolution. The end game is to destroy or remove the US Constitution. A nation of laws will be a nation of emotions. The old Soviet Union spent a lot of the Lend Lease money American tax payers gave to Russia in WW2 and used it to create a revolution here starting in 1928 and through WW2. Now we have George and other clever media type foreign billionaires who love the idea of separating Americans into groups by creating lies for each group to embrace as truth so hate will flourish. They have done it in other countries and now they are on their way to capture the biggest prize of all the USA.  Divide and conquer does work. Meanwhile all of us from every race sit back and have our heads in the sand. Create a false narrative, hire protestors and transport them to the latest alleged monster and create a riot. The riot in Ferguson resulted in many honorable black small business owners losing everything while the Mayor and Governor stood back and wouldn't allow the police or National Guard to protect the stores that were destroyed. Who cares about facts? Ride those powerful emotions. Drive home a false narrative. Ignore what the eye witnesses said and testified to who were Black. Believe the criminal who was the buddy of the guy the police officer shot and make sure the networks get him on camera showing how it didn't really happen when he raised his arms. Soon everyone was raising their arms in protest. Maybe if they didn't do it they would be targeted for a beating or worse. To this day perhaps millions of Americans believe the false narrative that the media created to cause mass hysteria. So are the players taking a knee for what happened in Ferguson? Or are they taking a knee to create awareness that the two biggest reasons why people in poverty from all races remain there because of poor parenting or lack of parenting? Unforced errors we talk about in sports applies to real life as well. Just avoiding being involved in teenage pregnancy and or dropping out and not finishing high school goes a long way in securing a happy life. Hard work also is important which many lost souls try hard to avoid. What is the graduation rate in most big cities in the USA? Wouldn't a normal person believe that something is really wrong with the public education system to have such a high drop out rate? Why is this this issue not big with protestors? The answer is people are so indoctrinated now that they have to be told what to believe and what to protest. They want to be the popular side to every issue. why bother taking the time to find the actual facts? Blaming others is really easy and fun. These people make the perfect victims for those who are behind the big revolution going on right now. How much of the media is owned by George Soros and others bent on our country's destruction? The end game is tearing up our constitution with our Bill of Rights. Did I say that before? If people want to fight for something then they should be engaged as SVG says in protecting our constitution and how it is interpreted. Rule by emotion has become popular in a big way. In our universities especially the state supported universities, academe has locked arms to encourage the end of intellectual diversity. Just throw a pie at a speaker or threaten their lives so they are afraid to speak because what they might tell students could make sense and differ from "New Speak" as described by George Orwell. Read "Inside the Third Reich" by Joseph Spear where he confirms that the rise of Hitler was driven by German college professors like Speer. Shout down anyone who disagrees with the propaganda academe has decared as "good". Simplify complex issues and create an emotional response that gullible students digest as "good" or "bad" according to the wishes of academe and their big club known as the media. Soon normal people who have not read a word about a complex subject such as climate change or the Paris Climate Accord and it's impact on Americans are either believers or non believers. Keep things real simple because Americans and the British as Joseph Stalin said were the most gullible people on the face of the Earth. Very little in life will ever be simple but people want it that way and they want to be on the popular side of every issue. Now instead of Joseph Stalin we have George Soros and others who are extremely rich and powerful who are working on the revolution. The revolution is not meant to help you in any way. It is all about them and power and the implementation of rigid control. That is the only way a Marxist state can be successful - rigid control. That means you are in for a good ass kicking by the new thought police. You will speak "New Speak" or go off to the concentration camp.  

I lost interest in the NFL years ago perhaps because the Lions had such poor success. I would tune in for some of the playoff games but was never excited about the Super Bowl. However, many of my longtime friends have been big supporters of the NFL but now they are starting to drop out. I have friends from all races and they are all upset with this recent nonsense. My high school coach for football and basketball used to tell us never to talk about politics. IT gets you nowhere and only creates enemies. Sports are a way for people to come together not grow apart. If you have been lucky enough to ever play organized football or basketball you know that the only things that matter for a player is his teammates the team and the next game. For those players today who have contracts for millions of dollars, politics means more to them than the game or their teammates. They have been pressured into to make a statement on the field perhaps driven by a few players. The white players want to make a politically appropriate statement too. There is confusion as the players, the coaches, the players wives, the coaches wives, the owner and his wife all seem to have to come up with some position now on how they feel about things. The fans come out and spend big money to watch a game not learn how those people might feel about politics or race relations. Are we surrounded by idiots? Can propaganda be that effective where people jump at the slightest provocation and suffer great confusion trying to figure out the most popular position to take on Kneeling or not kneeling. Watching the Cowboys all squat down together looked to me like they were attending a funeral.

The NFL is a corrupt business entity. Players could not place a symbol on their uniforms after 9-11. The front office has all sorts of rules for players placed in effect so politics or causes will not be allowed to be part of the sport. Somehow the commissioner is AWOL on this big mess. And did you hear about how the NFL took millions of tax payer dollars paid by the military to advertise during NFL games? Tax payers not only pay for the stadiums or basketball arenas for pro football and basketball but they have to pay those front offices for the privilege to advertise to get recruits for the military that protects all citizens. Did Tom Gores really need Michigan tax payers to fund the new arena? The rich get richer and the tax payers get screwed again. Just had to have the arena in downtown Detroit and of course some chump trying to raise three kids on $50,000 or less a year can kick in a few bucks for Tom's team right? In 20 years the arena will show up on an accounting spread sheet showing zero value as a new generation builds a bigger arena for another billionaire owner. The arena will still be less than half full.

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