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Post  cool breeze on Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:26 am

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Reggie: There is a certain mystery surrounding Reggie Jackson because he is playing with a knee injury. It is clear that his injury is making Reggie think twice before driving into the lane in crunch time while trying to create magic like he did last year. Reggie's trade value has dropped off big time. But Reggie still might make some basketball experts wonder if he might just come back next year showing complete healing of his knee issue. Andre Drummond is another issue.
This "wait until the summer to unload him" makes no sense at all; what will happen in the next 25 games to enhance Reggie's value? Everybody knows he has a problem with his knee and most knowledgeable fans are suspicious of his basketball I.Q., due to his stubborn, hero driven ego, but only the local fans know he's an asthmatic; given his age, the knee and his asthma is a career killer! Shame on the fan who suggested dumping Drummond and building around Jackson.

Andre: The NBA has changed so much that a guy like Drummond is no longer thought of as a high value player especially with all GMs in the league up to speed relating to weaknesses or defects the players being shopped around continue to demonstrate from season to season. Andre Drummond appears to be the same player he was last year and the year before at least on the defensive end. GMs want a big guy who will not hurt a team on the offensive and and can provide rim protection and strong defense. Do teams want to take a chance on a project type player like Andre Drummond when he is making $22 mil?
The commitment has been made to build around Drummond, like it or not, and he presents us with a rare skill today; rebounding...offense rebounding to be more specific. If possession is 9/10th's of anything of value, we shouldn't be wasting possessions with wild eyed 3 point attempts, hoisted up by non-sharp shooting players. Offensively we're a running TEAM, blessed with a big man that can and does run the floor quite well. Is he worth the money Tom Gores is okay with paying him? Perhaps not but, if we should settle for less and blow a big hole in the middle, we'll be sorry for years to come. Maybe it's the dream of some for an 8th seed and first round sweep but, not me. We're better with him than without him...fact.

Pope: What is bothersome is the fact that Detroit has over paid for both jackson and Drummond and is now talking about making a third mistake in signing Pope to a long term contract. So the Pistons will be stuck evaluating their roster for several years.
This is the foundation of my hope for Jimmy Butler; gimme a beast, on both ends of the floor, at SG. KCP isn't outstanding in any facet of the game so what will we be paying him a max for? I think Butler would be a better in the starting lineup than KCP, now and later. We can put together an appealing package for Butler, if SVG/Bower only will.

Other teams really wanted Cousins even though he has his issues on defense relating to being willing to play hard. Now that he is with Davis who does play hard and the right way, I would suspect that something good will rub off on Cousins as they learn how to play together. What a front court this is going to make.. I am sure that Davis did not give his management any incouragement to explore trade options with the Pistons for Drummond. Davis can do anything he wants to do on offense against Drummond and would love to play against him as much as he could. Drummond makes things very easy for opposing centers and power forwards.
You got an axe to grind Don, and there's no changing your mind. For the sake of argument, Drummond and his overinflated contract is what's holding the Pistons back.

As SVG evaluates his roster Drummond will continue to come to games unprepared to play the first quarter and will continue to show his ineptness on the defensive end. Reggie will be limping around on one leg. And of course KCP will have the green light to jack up off balance 3 point shots early in the shot clock when he could just drive to the basket for an easy layup. So we have two starters with a low basketball IQ and one starting point guard who is playing with an injury. Why not let Reggie rest and recover from his injury so he can come back strong next year and just play Smith and Beno Stan? Why not trade KCP if there is any interest at all in him. Oh, I get it,nobody is calling. I suspect that is the basic problem in moving Pope. There are no teams interested in Pope because they know his agent is demanding a high end contract for Pope. This looks a lot like the Stuckey thing where Joe Dumars would bid against himself when Stuckey's contact would come up. Who cares about evaluating Bullock for the rest of this season anyway. It is in stone that the Pistons will really screw themselves with a big signing of their star 2 guard, KCP.
Not only did Joe wreak the TEAM but, he left a lot of fans with damaged psyches. SVG is outperforming Dumars, but he's underperforming as someone that has the power of president/coach of a NBA franchise; a distinguished NBA franchise! We should be angry, demanding, fans who let the mass media know our desire to see SVG step up his game, instead of going along with his bullsh!t. With the money spent and the upgrades in talent we have every right to expected a 50 win season this year! That ain't on Andre exclusively.

While evaluating this outstanding talented roster, why not try to figure out why the chemistry is so bad within the starting unit.  I am not sold that this is all Jackson's fault. Our starting 2 guard has stood around a lot within the Piston offense for several seasons. Please tell me in what way KCP has improved from two seasons ago to this season where he is trying to play his best because of the pot of gold that awaits him when the Pistons out bid themselves for his services. There are tons of 2 guards that would work for the Pistons. Most likely SVG knows this is true but maybe the owner is pushing SVG to buy into the idea of playing Pope big time money. Maybe the owner and SVG love this idea that Stan keeps talking about relating to Pope's habit of jacking up 3s at any place on the floor. "He plays with no fear". Is it a good thing to allow a player to jack up 3 point shots without fear when the player misses so many of those shots and another player is wide open when that player lets those shot fly? Pope's agent must keep saying to KCP that he needs to keep shooting those three balls because the coach thinks you are really brave to keep doing it even though you keep on missing. If a player has some common sense and does have a little fear that he might be hurting his team when he is not a hot shooter and instead of shooting so many low percentage passes creates an open look for a teammate or gets his ass closer to the basket more, will this coach lose respect for KCP? I have heard a lot of crazy comments in my life but this idea that it is a good thing to have no fear about shooting low percentage shots when the shots are not falling takes the cake. This Piston team is a team that not many people can easily understand.
KCP does not deserve a max contract...period. No matter how well he could have performed this year, with the makeup of this starting unit, he wouldn't be worth a max contract. KCP was beginning to play with some consistency, Andre was posting 20/20's like they were nothing, and the TEAM was exciting to watch play; Ish was getting in a grove and comfortable with the rotation players. The defense was as locked in as it's been since SVG took charge, and the offense was evolving. Enter (that is to say, in hobbled Reggie) Jackson and out went the developing chemistry. The damnedest thing is, excuses were made for this negative turnaround!! Pfffft.

The truth is that our starters are not looking good when they play top tier teams now. Therefore while evaluating the roster as SVG says he needs to continue to do, maybe he should evaluate the fact that he has 5 specialists in the starting unit. All 5 players want to be known as amazing shooters and that includes the inept Andre Drummond and his baseline hook shot. Being there are 5 players it not possible to keep them all happy if all they can do is try to shoot the basketball. Any team needs at least one or two players who are willing to sacrifice themselves to get the shooters free for open looks. That is why I push for Stanley Johnson to get a bigger role on the team. But somehow SVG seems to want all 5 players to be specialist shooter types. Spread the floor and let 4 players stand while one player goes one on one.
Ish Smith and Beno Udrih moved the ball; everybody got touches! Andre is the King of The Garbage Men, and can easily score in double figures on put backs alone; when the center and PG take a minimal amount of shots, our offense threats then become our forwards and SG. That's what was working and the scoring was balanced trough the top 6 players. SVG chose to fix something that wasn't broken, with the blessings of some fans.

Looks lie the Celtics might snag Jimmy Butler. You have no argument with me on making a trade for Butler dX. The problems as usual is that Chicago has no interest in our players. The Celtics have stockpiled draft picks and might get the Bulls to bite.

Iess offense from the point guard and center position would be nice. I really like the way Beno plays. It has been real stupid to not get him in games when both Jackson and Smith had bad outings. The Piston point guard situation is not good anyway to cut it. Smith is not a high quality starting type of point guard but he has been better than Reggie most of the time maybe due to Reggie's injury issues. The problem is not cured with Smith for sure because he will never be able to guard players like Wall, Irving, or many other starting top tier point guards. Will we live to see the day when Detroit starts a game with a top tier point guard again? This is a guard driven league not a center driven league.

The money factor makes the modern NBA game very complex. There is too much money floating around everywhere with coaches and players. Meanwhile, a hard working family doing everything the right way and wanting to take their kids to a game and maybe buy some popcorn, will have to fork over a lot of money when that family only makes enough to scrap by with both adults working full time. The taxes and economic ups a downs for working folks has sucked the life out of middle aged people. They scrap up the money to let their kids see the Pistons and then find out the game is dull and the players do not play the right way. A high school game is more exciting. Then as they drive home the kids calculate how much money Andre Drummond makes each month which is around 1 million dollars. The kids then say no wonder he doesn't really care about playing the right way. The parents tell the kids that some day the Pistons will finally secure a top tier point guard leader who will also make a lot of money but will be much more exciting to watch than Andre Drummond. So the kids have that going for them. I just wonder if Tom Gores had to take another call from Andre Drummond because the coach got upset and bitched Andre out for not practicing his free throws and eating too many french fries. This has been a very dull basketball season for all Piston fans. We need to figure out why anyone would go to the games. What kind of other entertainment has Mr. Gores come up with? Are the cheer leaders pretty? Do the ushers dance? Is the food good? If the Pistons make the play offs, they have no chance of winning a game. Why not tank?

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Boogy Men...

Post  Oracle on Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:54 am

"I'm the Shadow Man and I will never harm the person under whose bed I live" - Twilight Zone, 1980's(really good episode too)

There is nothing wrong with this Piston team that trading or benching Reggie Jackson won't cure.

You can keep seeing boogy men or Boogie Cousins everywhere, but sitting Reggie and starting Ish will cure what ails this team.

Since SVG doesn't have the balls as a coach to sit Reggie, we need SVBower to trade him, even though I don't want to do that because he will heal and give us a contrasting style that we already know will win games.

However, if SVG wants to show how big his Johnson really is, he'll stand up to the pressure of the media and fans, and keep his team together and bet on weathering the storm to find out who to keep and who to dump.

Things we need to find out, IMO.
1. KCP is due a big payday and he deserves it, but he doesn't deserve a max contract unless someone else wants to give it to him, then he deserves it! We can't bid against ourselves, so let this play out, we hold all of the cards. BTW, if you're Butler dreaming, that move would put KCP as the backup SG and drive his price down, which would be a good thing to have both, but it ain't happening.
2. Can Boban fill the role we need from him? Stop playing stinky finger with Baynes, get Boban the minutes we need to make a good decision.
3. Make a decision on Harris! Harris isn't that good a player on a middling or bad team, but he would be great on a contender as a 3rd scorer. Does he really fit here at this time, or do we need another type of player.

The only logical keepers in the starters are Drummond, Morris, and KCP(if the money is right). If KCP insists on the max, then it's just Dre & Morris.

Until the end of the season, SVG likely knows that fans will whine and media will panic along with the fans, for reasons both real and imagined.

IMO, we need to stay the course and preferably have Reggie come off the bench or trade him if the deal is decent.

Wise, I didn't like the Rubio deal that much, but a lot of this does validate you long time vision of what kind of PG we needed. I'm even coming around to the thought that Burke would have been a good fit, I just wish he was a tad taller, but pass first with a 3 point shot and high IQ is what we need.

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Great post Don, I just see some things different

Post  deusXango on Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:29 am

cool breeze wrote:
Reggie: There is a certain mystery surrounding Reggie Jackson because he is playing with a knee injury. It is clear that his injury is making Reggie think twice before driving into the lane in crunch time while trying to create magic like he did last year. Reggie's trade value has dropped off big time. But Reggie still might make some basketball experts wonder if he might just come back next year showing complete healing of his knee issue. Andre Drummond is another issue.
This "wait until the summer to unload him" makes no sense at all; what will happen in the next 25 games to enhance Reggie's value? Everybody knows he has a problem with his knee and most knowledgeable fans are suspicious of his basketball I.Q., due to his stubborn, hero driven ego, but only the local fans know he's an asthmatic; given his age, the knee and his asthma is a career killer! Shame on the fan who suggested dumping Drummond and building around Jackson.

Andre: The NBA has changed so much that a guy like Drummond is no longer thought of as a high value player especially with all GMs in the league up to speed relating to weaknesses or defects the players being shopped around continue to demonstrate from season to season. Andre Drummond appears to be the same player he was last year and the year before at least on the defensive end. GMs want a big guy who will not hurt a team on the offensive and and can provide rim protection and strong defense. Do teams want to take a chance on a project type player like Andre Drummond when he is making $22 mil?
The commitment has been made to build around Drummond, like it or not, and he presents us with a rare skill today; rebounding...offense rebounding to be more specific. If possession is 9/10th's of anything of value, we shouldn't be wasting possessions with wild eyed 3 point attempts, hoisted up by non-sharp shooting players. Offensively we're a running TEAM, blessed with a big man that can and does run the floor quite well. Is he worth the money Tom Gores is okay with paying him? Perhaps not but, if we should settle for less and blow a big hole in the middle, we'll be sorry for years to come. Maybe it's the dream of some for an 8th seed and first round sweep but, not me. We're better with him than without him...fact.

Pope: What is bothersome is the fact that Detroit has over paid for both jackson and Drummond and is now talking about making a third mistake in signing Pope to a long term contract. So the Pistons will be stuck evaluating their roster for several years.
This is the foundation of my hope for Jimmy Butler; gimme a beast, on both ends of the floor, at SG. KCP isn't outstanding in any facet of the game so what will we be paying him a max for? I think Butler would be a better in the starting lineup than KCP, now and later. We can put together an appealing package for Butler, if SVG/Bower only will.

Other teams really wanted Cousins even though he has his issues on defense relating to being willing to play hard. Now that he is with Davis who does play hard and the right way, I would suspect that something good will rub off on Cousins as they learn how to play together. What a front court this is going to make.. I am sure that Davis did not give his management any incouragement to explore trade options with the Pistons for Drummond. Davis can do anything he wants to do on offense against Drummond and would love to play against him as much as he could. Drummond makes things very easy for opposing centers and power forwards.
You got an axe to grind Don, and there's no changing your mind. For the sake of argument, Drummond and his overinflated contract is what's holding the Pistons back.

As SVG evaluates his roster Drummond will continue to come to games unprepared to play the first quarter and will continue to show his ineptness on the defensive end. Reggie will be limping around on one leg. And of course KCP will have the green light to jack up off balance 3 point shots early in the shot clock when he could just drive to the basket for an easy layup. So we have two starters with a low basketball IQ and one starting point guard who is playing with an injury. Why not let Reggie rest and recover from his injury so he can come back strong next year and just play Smith and Beno Stan? Why not trade KCP if there is any interest at all in him. Oh, I get it,nobody is calling. I suspect that is the basic problem in moving Pope. There are no teams interested in Pope because they know his agent is demanding a high end contract for Pope. This looks a lot like the Stuckey thing where Joe Dumars would bid against himself when Stuckey's contact would come up. Who cares about evaluating Bullock for the rest of this season anyway. It is in stone that the Pistons will really screw themselves with a big signing of their star 2 guard, KCP.
Not only did Joe wreak the TEAM but, he left a lot of fans with damaged psyches. SVG is outperforming Dumars, but he's underperforming as someone that has the power of president/coach of a NBA franchise; a distinguished NBA franchise! We should be angry, demanding, fans who let the mass media know our desire to see SVG step up his game, instead of going along with his bullsh!t. With the money spent and the upgrades in talent we have every right to expected a 50 win season this year! That ain't on Andre exclusively.

While evaluating this outstanding talented roster, why not try to figure out why the chemistry is so bad within the starting unit.  I am not sold that this is all Jackson's fault. Our starting 2 guard has stood around a lot within the Piston offense for several seasons. Please tell me in what way KCP has improved from two seasons ago to this season where he is trying to play his best because of the pot of gold that awaits him when the Pistons out bid themselves for his services. There are tons of 2 guards that would work for the Pistons. Most likely SVG knows this is true but maybe the owner is pushing SVG to buy into the idea of playing Pope big time money. Maybe the owner and SVG love this idea that Stan keeps talking about relating to Pope's habit of jacking up 3s at any place on the floor. "He plays with no fear". Is it a good thing to allow a player to jack up 3 point shots without fear when the player misses so many of those shots and another player is wide open when that player lets those shot fly? Pope's agent must keep saying to KCP that he needs to keep shooting those three balls because the coach thinks you are really brave to keep doing it even though you keep on missing. If a player has some common sense and does have a little fear that he might be hurting his team when he is not a hot shooter and instead of shooting so many low percentage passes creates an open look for a teammate or gets his ass closer to the basket more, will this coach lose respect for KCP? I have heard a lot of crazy comments in my life but this idea that it is a good thing to have no fear about shooting low percentage shots when the shots are not falling takes the cake. This Piston team is a team that not many people can easily understand.
KCP does not deserve a max contract...period. No matter how well he could have performed this year, with the makeup of this starting unit, he wouldn't be worth a max contract. KCP was beginning to play with some consistency, Andre was posting 20/20's like they were nothing, and the TEAM was exciting to watch play; Ish was getting in a grove and comfortable with the rotation players. The defense was as locked in as it's been since SVG took charge, and the offense was evolving. Enter (that is to say, in hobbled Reggie) Jackson and out went the developing chemistry. The damnedest thing is, excuses were made for this negative turnaround!! Pfffft.

The truth is that our starters are not looking good when they play top tier teams now. Therefore while evaluating the roster as SVG says he needs to continue to do, maybe he should evaluate the fact that he has 5 specialists in the starting unit. All 5 players want to be known as amazing shooters and that includes the inept Andre Drummond and his baseline hook shot. Being there are 5 players it not possible to keep them all happy if all they can do is try to shoot the basketball. Any team needs at least one or two players who are willing to sacrifice themselves to get the shooters free for open looks. That is why I push for Stanley Johnson to get a bigger role on the team. But somehow SVG seems to want all 5 players to be specialist shooter types. Spread the floor and let 4 players stand while one player goes one on one.
Ish Smith and Beno Udrih moved the ball; everybody got touches! Andre is the King of The Garbage Men, and can easily score in double figures on put backs alone; when the center and PG take a minimal amount of shots, our offense threats then become our forwards and SG. That's what was working and the scoring was balanced trough the top 6 players. SVG chose to fix something that wasn't broken, with the blessings of some fans.
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ARRRRRRRRRRRRH!!!!!! AGAIN

Post  WTF on Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:33 pm

cool breeze wrote:Andre Drummond has no trade value. Everyone has figured it out. Imagine any NBA owner agreeing to pay Andre Drummond approx. 1 million dollars a month. You could start a nice 401K with that kind of money. So no wonder Drummond is not motivated to learn how to play defense or shoot free throws. He can do it his way. And he can make those long phone calls to Tom Gores late at night whenever Stan Van Gundy looks at him the wrong way. 1 mil a month for a player who cannot stay in the game during crunch time. ! mil a month for a player who cannot even box out on the weak side. I forgot that is very hard to remember. Those damn fundamentals do not mean anything in this crazy world of the NBA. Why couldn't management see this coming? I am not worked up relating to the over paid Reggie Jackson. This signing of Andre Drummond was insane anyway you look at it. He never proved that he could play the game the right way and had no history of showing he ever wanted to play the game the right way. I can't blame him for signing that contract. How can any fan relate to Andre Drummond?


Yeah we can imagine one dumb owner and that's the owner of these Pistons. That max money came to easy beginning to wonder if it was SVG calls or Gores considering how much bullshit they gave Monroe.

The owners might not have seen this coming but many of the old school NBA fans did and we didn't like it one bit. This one and done deal wasn't the proper way to fit this the minimum should have been 2 years same as football. In fact it should have been 3 years requirement before these clowns were allowed in the NBA.

Yeah many argued it they're old enough to go to war then they should be able to play. Well you trained for war and it's not a guarantee you'll even make it to combat. What is guaranteed is these one and players go into games unprepared to play the game. They did this dumb **** because they got greedy and overly excited about the prospect of landing the next Kobe or KG sadly there are no Lebron's in every draft.

For some reason fans don't understand this because they get caught up in this BS aw well That's why I hate that word potential and this wait and see game that get played. Under no circumstances was Andre worth the money they signed him for and nonetheless they made that bed and have to sleep in it for the next 4 or 5 seasons. It was dumb pay Reggie as well but they did that also and what stupid about that is you could see that as a failed project from day one.

Everything about this league is damn near a joke these days. I doubt if Andre is motivated by much, being out of the ASG should have been motivation, signing that big deal should have been motivation, being sat in the 4th should be motivation so I doubt that Sac said "hell to the no" would be any more of motivation than the other stuff.

Fans got this all wrong (casual fans) but tis is a sport or at least it suppose to be its not entertainment they should be calling players out, they should boo every loss, wear bags on their when this dumbass shooting FT's. SMH SMH SMH
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Piston management has to be in a panic mode and here is why

Post  cool breeze on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:30 pm

Andre Drummond has no trade value. Everyone has figured it out. Imagine any NBA owner agreeing to pay Andre Drummond approx. 1 million dollars a month. You could start a nice 401K with that kind of money. So no wonder Drummond is not motivated to learn how to play defense or shoot free throws. He can do it his way. And he can make those long phone calls to Tom Gores late at night whenever Stan Van Gundy looks at him the wrong way. 1 mil a month for a player who cannot stay in the game during crunch time. ! mil a month for a player who cannot even box out on the weak side. I forgot that is very hard to remember. Those damn fundamentals do not mean anything in this crazy world of the NBA. Why couldn't management see this coming? I am not worked up relating to the over paid Reggie Jackson. This signing of Andre Drummond was insane anyway you look at it. He never proved that he could play the game the right way and had no history of showing he ever wanted to play the game the right way. I can't blame him for signing that contract. How can any fan relate to Andre Drummond?

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Post  lemonpen on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:16 pm

WTF wrote:
Oracle wrote:Shaq couldn't finish games, we had to have Nick Van Exell first, and later Kobe close out games because Shaq was so incompetent. Can you imagine what some posters here would have been saying? I will admit that it took Phil Jackson to unlock Shaq's dominance, but it was also maturity that contributed a lot to that happening. I'm not talking about only mental maturity, but the natural growth a big man goes through to realize who he is.

It's hard to keep the faith with Drummond, we all get weak from time to time, but this is something we must do unless a miracle happens.

Oracle, Yes but unlike Drummond, Shaq had already carried a Orlando team to the NBA Finals.  Secondly let think about all those NBA centers whipping on Shaq's ass back then.  Hardly anything in comparison in crap Drummond face nightly Shaq had fading big men from the 80's and a nice crop of them that played throughout the 90's. It's not like season vets are kicking on his ass, everybody is even former team mates  

Shaq also wasn't a big pussy and sadly Andre is.  Andre should already be dominating this game not being left out of ASG,  Did Shaq miss any ASG early in his career.    If Andre sorry ass can't play in the 4th then he need to get the double digit leads after the first 3 quarters of the game.  He should already have his 20-20 and 5 blks  before sitting his no FT ass down.  Just my opinion!  

I think you're right.  But, I don't think much of a sit down will be necessary.  The fact that SACRAMENTO publicly admitted to declining the trade, then accepting considerably less ought to be a colossal slap in the face.


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Hope I'm Not Being A Doom and Gloomer

Post  WTF on Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:31 pm

Oracle wrote:Shaq couldn't finish games, we had to have Nick Van Exell first, and later Kobe close out games because Shaq was so incompetent. Can you imagine what some posters here would have been saying? I will admit that it took Phil Jackson to unlock Shaq's dominance, but it was also maturity that contributed a lot to that happening. I'm not talking about only mental maturity, but the natural growth a big man goes through to realize who he is.

It's hard to keep the faith with Drummond, we all get weak from time to time, but this is something we must do unless a miracle happens.

Oracle, Yes but unlike Drummond, Shaq had already carried a Orlando team to the NBA Finals. Secondly let think about all those NBA centers whipping on Shaq's ass back then. Hardly anything in comparison in crap Drummond face nightly Shaq had fading big men from the 80's and a nice crop of them that played throughout the 90's. It's not like season vets are kicking on his ass, everybody is even former team mates

Shaq also wasn't a big pussy and sadly Andre is. Andre should already be dominating this game not being left out of ASG, Did Shaq miss any ASG early in his career. If Andre sorry ass can't play in the 4th then he need to get the double digit leads after the first 3 quarters of the game. He should already have his 20-20 and 5 blks before sitting his no FT ass down. Just my opinion!
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Not Many Reggie Trades I Wouldn't Do

Post  WTF on Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:12 pm

Fanrag Sports wrote:Jackson to Dallas
Pistons get: PG Deron Williams and PG Devin Harris
Mavericks get: PG Reggie Jackson

Jackson to Orlando
Pistons get: PG D.J. Augustin and SG Mario Hezonja
Magic get: PG Reggie Jackson and future second-round pick

Not too much I would do to get rid of Reggie and I'm kind of feeling that way about Andre. Wish SVG felt the same way and stop playing these games of cat and mouse and just pull the freaking trigger on Reggie. Really I liked the Rubio trade best but I could live with the two other suggested trades.

SVG is about to screw up again because both Paul George and Butler are up for grabs as well it seems. I would be happy with either player, George seem more realistic than Butler.

If Andre is going to be a hard move than this is what SVG needs to do. He needs to call Andrea in his office look him square in eyes and tell him he's not the franchise player and that if he could move him he would. I'm not just saying tell him that without explanation indeed tell his ass why then tell him he either step up or ride the pine. It's time to stop cuddling, it's time to issue out some tough love.

Lets not get it twisted there are takers we just won't like what they're offering in return and sometimes you got to eat the **** to get better.
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ARRRRRRRRRRRRH!!!!!!

Post  WTF on Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:50 pm

Okay this makes my stomach hurt in hindsight we should've already had Cousins in hand way back when they were willing to cough him up for Moose. Joe wanted him but was scare to pull that trigger and many of the fans seem to be against it. Guess What People? No Cousins and No Moose but we still have Andre sorry ass.

This makes my stomach hurts?
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Cousins

Post  Sparma on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:34 pm

Sac's getting ripped for the trade with the Pelicans. I think Sac would have been better off trading Cousins for Drummond & a pick. As a Pistons fan, I would have gone for that trade. But then again, Cousins' a free agent after a season & a part. Doubt he would have stuck around in the D.
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SVG says the Piston organization must continue to evaluate their own roster and not make any mistakes

Post  cool breeze on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:16 pm

Very thoughtful comment knowing that few if any GMs in the NBA want to even give up a first round pick for either Andre or Reggie.

Reggie: There is a certain mystery surrounding Reggie Jackson because he is playing with a knee injury. It is clear that his injury is making Reggie think twice before driving into the lane in crunch time while trying to create magic like he did last year. Reggie's trade value has dropped off big time. But Reggie still might make some basketball experts wonder if he might just come back next year showing complete healing of his knee issue. Andre Drummond is another issue.

Andre: The NBA has changed so much that a guy like Drummond is no longer thought of as a high value player especially with all GMs in the league up to speed relating to weaknesses or defects the players being shopped around continue to demonstrate from season to season. Andre Drummond appears to be the same player he was last year and the year before at least on the defensive end. GMs want a big guy who will not hurt a team on the offensive and and can provide rim protection and strong defense. Do teams want to take a chance on a project type player like Andre Drummond when he is making $22 mil?

Pope: What is bothersome is the fact that Detroit has over paid for both jackson and Drummond and is now talking about making a third mistake in signing Pope to a long term contract. So the Pistons will be stuck evaluating their roster for several years.

Other teams really wanted Cousins even though he has his issues on defense relating to being willing to play hard. Now that he is with Davis who does play hard and the right way, I would suspect that something good will rub off on Cousins as they learn how to play together. What a front court this is going to make.. I am sure that Davis did not give his management any incouragement to explore trade options with the Pistons for Drummond. Davis can do anything he wants to do on offense against Drummond and would love to play against him as much as he could. Drummond makes things very easy for opposing centers and power forwards.

As SVG evaluates his roster Drummond will continue to come to games unprepared to play the first quarter and will continue to show his ineptness on the defensive end. Reggie will be limping around on one leg. And of course KCP will have the green light to jack up off balance 3 point shots early in the shot clock when he could just drive to the basket for an easy layup. So we have two starters with a low basketball IQ and one starting point guard who is playing with an injury. Why not let Reggie rest and recover from his injury so he can come back strong next year and just play Smith and Beno Stan? Why not trade KCP if there is any interest at all in him. Oh, I get it,nobody is calling. I suspect that is the basic problem in moving Pope. There are no teams interested in Pope because they know his agent is demanding a high end contract for Pope. This looks a lot like the Stuckey thing where Joe Dumars would bid against himself when Stuckey's contact would come up. Who cares about evaluating Bullock for the rest of this season anyway. It is in stone that the Pistons will really screw themselves with a big signing of their star 2 guard, KCP.

While evaluating this outstanding talented roster, why not try to figure out why the chemistry is so bad within the starting unit. I am not sold that this is all Jackson's fault. Our starting 2 guard has stood around a lot within the Piston offense for several seasons. Please tell me in what way KCP has improved from two seasons ago to this season where he is trying to play his best because of the pot of gold that awaits him when the Pistons out bid themselves for his services. There are tons of 2 guards that would work for the Pistons. Most likely SVG knows this is true but maybe the owner is pushing SVG to buy into the idea of playing Pope big time money. Maybe the owner and SVG love this idea that Stan keeps talking about relating to Pope's habit of jacking up 3s at any place on the floor. "He plays with no fear". Is it a good thing to allow a player to jack up 3 point shots without fear when the player misses so many of those shots and another player is wide open when that player lets those shot fly? Pope's agent must keep saying to KCP that he needs to keep shooting those three balls because the coach thinks you are really brave to keep doing it even though you keep on missing. If a player has some common sense and does have a little fear that he might be hurting his team when he is not a hot shooter and instead of shooting so many low percentage passes creates an open look for a teammate or gets his ass closer to the basket more, will this coach lose respect for KCP? I have heard a lot of crazy comments in my life but this idea that it is a good thing to have no fear about shooting low percentage shots when the shots are not falling takes the cake. This Piston team is a team that not many people can easily understand.

The truth is that our starters are not looking good when they play top tier teams now. Therefore while evaluating the roster as SVG says he needs to continue to do, maybe he should evaluate the fact that he has 5 specialists in the starting unit. All 5 players want to be known as amazing shooters and that includes the inept Andre Drummond and his baseline hook shot. Being there are 5 players it not possible to keep them all happy if all they can do is try to shoot the basketball. Any team needs at least one or two players who are willing to sacrifice themselves to get the shooters free for open looks. That is why I push for Stanley Johnson to get a bigger role on the team. But somehow SVG seems to want all 5 players to be specialist shooter types. Spread the floor and let 4 players stand while one player goes one on one.

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Post  Oracle on Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:54 pm

Nobody wants Drummond at this point, his limitations more than offset his strengths. Two years ago, the opposite was true, even though he was more limited, the upside looked enormous.

I really like the move by NO, but who will play center? Both guys think of themselves as PF's, but Cousins is built more like a man than Davis, and is likely the one to play down low.

Davis will be freed up to totally dominate any other PF in the league, and on paper, this is one terrifying team, that should be fun to watch.

Having seen what the Kings got in return, you can only conclude that these guys are as dumb as nails.

They did however adhere to the rule I stated for the Bulls! In this case the pick is top 3 protected, so making the Pelicans a bit better enhances the probability that they get the pick immediately, but it's still a dumb deal, IMO!
lemonpen wrote:DET:
Provided the story is true regarding a Dre for Cousins deal, should we feel better about what the organization may or may not recognize relative to our own views.

Or, has the whole thing been a ruse in attempt to light a fire under our young players.

Sac:
Are they officially back to being trash, from top to bottom.  Where are the potential stars in return for DC.
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Jimmy Butler

Post  Oracle on Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:42 pm

DX wrote:Jimmy Butler was there and that's who I'd move the heavens and earth to acquire; I'm imagining him starting in the red, white, and blue with Drummond, Harris, Morris, and yes, Smith, for right now. I've replaced Leuer by re-inserting Harris back where I personally believe he belongs; I think losing Harris is more detrimental to the TEAM than losing Leuer, particularly when we have Ellenson waiting in the wings. Call me crazy but, I think a backcourt of Butler and Smith is a helluva lot better than Jackson and KCP. Butler also makes losing Johnson that much easier to swallow.
DX, I feel your frustration, but things aren't as gloomy as the doom and gloom poster here likes everyone to believe.

I was working in LA when Shaq got traded from Orlando. I had adopted the Lakers as my 2nd team, but shortly I saw Shaq getting punked year after year, and the Admiral and Duncan were regularly kicking the Lakers arse!

Shaq couldn't finish games, we had to have Nick Van Exell first, and later Kobe close out games because Shaq was so incompetent. Can you imagine what some posters here would have been saying? I will admit that it took Phil Jackson to unlock Shaq's dominance, but it was also maturity that contributed a lot to that happening. I'm not talking about only mental maturity, but the natural growth a big man goes through to realize who he is.

It's hard to keep the faith with Drummond, we all get weak from time to time, but this is something we must do unless a miracle happens.

On to Jimmy Butler: Why would the Bulls trade Jimmy Butler? The short answer is there aren't many reason they would, but let's examine some of them.

Trade to a bottom feeder: This makes the least sense! If Butler makes them 5 games better, the 1st round pick they thought would be high, is now much lower.

Trade to the Celtics: This is more likely because the Celtics have the Nets 1st round pick, so trading with them doesn't make the Nets better and the pick is safer. Plus the Celtics would be willing to cough up premium bodies to get a STAR!

But even this doesn't make the most sense. Why not wait until after the balls have dropped and you know the picking order, and them make a deal, fully knowing where you will draft and know who you draft is likely to be a star.

Even then it's still a crap shoot! Every team is searching for a star, and the best way to get one is through trade or the draft.

If the Bulls trade Jimmy Butler, they transform themselves into a team in search of a Jimmy Butler!

IMO, you don't trade your only star, you build around him!
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Post  lemonpen on Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:53 pm

DET:
Provided the story is true regarding a Dre for Cousins deal, should we feel better about what the organization may or may not recognize relative to our own views.

Or, has the whole thing been a ruse in attempt to light a fire under our young players.

Sac:
Are they officially back to being trash, from top to bottom. Where are the potential stars in return for DC.
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Post  cool breeze on Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:22 am

deusXango wrote:Andre Drummond must not be traded! Tobias Harris, Marcus Morris, and Jon Leuer must not be traded! I would not give up on Henry Ellenson, without seeing what he can do on a NBA floor! These are the players I'd protect for the arrival of a hardnosed, Pistons DNA, All-Star player...the rest I'm willing to let go for that type player. The player I have in mind is Jimmy Butler. He's the only player that fits the bill and is possibly obtainable.

There are so many ex-big men, who distinguished themselves for grit, determination, will to win, and their defensive prowess, during their careers who would love to coach Andre Drummond. I've grown weary reading about his inconsistencies but, he hasn't had any consistent coaching on the pro level, and Aaron Grey, IMHO, is the biggest waste of time and money for bringing out the best in our 23 year old, athletic, Phenom. Who is he and what did he accomplish in his career (other than get an undeserved contract from SVG, which comes up too much regarding Drummond)? What the fu@k was wrong with Rasheed Wallace? What's wrong with Rick Mahorn or Bill Laimbeer? How about Big Bens mentor, Charles Oakley? So many superior choices that could mold Drummond into something but, it's easier to talk about his contract or trading him for a lessor player because we don't like what his contract calls for; I don't think throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a viable solution, no matter how convincing an argument is put forth to do so.

All things considered, our cadre of big men is as good as any in the NBA; can the same be said for our guards? IMHO, we're the only TEAM in the NBA who's bench guards can probably outshine the starters; I think that on most nights, Reggie Bullock can produce more than KCP, on both ends of the floor, and I don't care for the 22 point, 4 assist game (an upward tick people) being a convincing signal that Reggie Jackson is a better leader on the floor than Ishmael Smith or Beno Udrih. The main reason I favor our big men over the guards is #1. we'll be faced with insanely overpaying for KCP's continued services and #2. Jackson's ill-health extends far beyond that knee that requires continued repair and we would do well to move him while his trade value is as high as It is....it can drop considerately more if we choose to pussyfoot around. None of our big men has those issues.

For the bean counters on the forum; I know the All-Star game doesn't mean sh!t in the grand scheme of things but, with the 3rd highest payroll in the entire NBA, doesn't it make you feel a certain sort of way not to have any representation there? I mean every team that's challenging us for a playoff spot (and some that won't make it) is represented. I don't ever expect to see Reggie or KCP or Johnson in an All-Star game; a game that's been reduced to an exhibition of players the paying fans want to see.

Jimmy Butler was there and that's who I'd move the heavens and earth to acquire; I'm imagining him starting in the red, white, and blue with Drummond, Harris, Morris, and yes, Smith, for right now. I've replaced Leuer by re-inserting Harris back where I personally believe he belongs; I think losing Harris is more detrimental to the TEAM than losing Leuer, particularly when we have Ellenson waiting in the wings. Call me crazy but, I think a backcourt of Butler and Smith is a helluva lot better than Jackson and KCP. Butler also makes losing Johnson that much easier to swallow.

Who believes that SVG can actually develop a big man? Where's the proof? Please don't suggest Dwight Howard!

dX why would Chicago want to trade Butler to the Pistons? Isn't Butler the Bulls best player? I haven't followed anything going on with Bulls management so really can't see what the Pistons have to offer that would interest Chicago. Do you think Chicago wants to tank this current team and just start a rebuild? Butler is a really good player that a lot of teams would love to have on their roster. How many Piston players does any NBA team really want?

I am not buying this idea that all Andre Drummond needs is a better coach. What sticks with me is his attitude when he arrived in college as a freshman. Most players are open to learning and want to fit in and will work hard to mold into any role they have to so they can become successful. That didn't happen with Andre. Do you think that happened with Anthony Davis for example? Davis was another Isiah Thomas type of college player who loved learning and was able to adjust to tough coaching techniques. Both Davis and Thomas turned out to continue the learning process after they had successful careers as college players on winning teams. They loved to learn from anyone that would spend time with them. The player has to want to become a good defender and no coach can put in the necessary work it takes for the player to become successful. Rasheed had his turn with Andre Drummond. I couldn't see how he made any positive change in Andre's attitude or skill as a defender. Most coaches in today's game know the fundamentals and can teach the fundamentals to almost anyone who wants to learn how to play the right way. When it comes to playing defense after the coach has worked individually with the player, the player themselves must then decide if they want to put in the effort to become physically fit enough to play defense especially at the NBA level. As Stan Van Gundy disclosed recently, Andre Drummond showed real promise in their fall camp. He had the foot work down and moved out to protect the paint to challenge shooters or drivers. SVG didn't say anything about Andre showing he could think quick enough to turn his body when a shot went up to meet his man and then screen him out especially on the weak side where it is imperative to prevent an opponent from sneaking in to get superior position. I have never ever seen Andre Drummond make that simple movement high school big men do automatically as seniors. So the question is not coaching it is why in hell is Andre Drummond so damn lazy that he won't do it? That one simple basic fundamental for all big men is absent in Andre Drummond's skill set. It is a glaring error that signifies something is missing that no coach can ever change. The other fact about Andre Drummond is that he is over weight which indicates he really is not serious about ever being part of a winning program. He is overweight and gets tired and he is in his early 20s. He doesn't turn and get his chest on his assigned man on defense. He hides under the basket and doesn't move out quickly to pick up his man when he is about to shoot a 4 foot jump shot in the middle of the key. No just like his college days, Andre Drummond, who is a horrible offensive player, wants to be the key man on offense. That idea excites Drummond and becoming the best big man defender in the NBA just doesn't spark any interest. Guess what, this team needs a outstanding big man to shore up the defense. We don't need a project type of big man to try to become a good offensive player. Ben Wallace wanted to be a great defensive player. Did any coach have to say sweet things to Wallace to get him motivated to play defense? How about Bill Russell? No Andre Drummond is a guy who will look fantastic for a period of time and then disappear. From game to game, nobody can predict if he has come prepared to play.

The problem dX is that Piston management has given Andre the keys to the franchise and that was a huge mistake. What management now knows is that all GMs in the league have very little interest in Andre Drummond. Why should they? Early on this season, I kept my fingers crossed that Andre Drummond would somehow change his personality and become a paint enforcer and forget this crap about being a go to offensive player. To me, it is more important to get rid of Andre Drummond and bring in a real hard nosed center than it is to remove Reggie Jackson. At lease everyone can clearly see that Jackson is not himself. He is injured and that is not his fault. I don't think he is a winning type of point guard but Jackson has shown that he has a big heart on the hard court from what we saw of him last season. It was insane to ever pay Andre Drummond $22 mil. He is a $8 mil type NBA player and still can't be trusted in crunch time. If you are an alcoholic nobody can stop you from drinking other than yourself. If you are a basketball player, nobody can make you do your homework and prepare to play basketball on defense the right way but yourself. It takes exceptionally hard work on the NBA level. Why Tom Gores will even take a call from Andre Drummond is pretty silly when Andre gets upset with any critical comments Stan Van Gundy might make relating to Andre's effort. You can't coach effort dX. We are stuck with this big guy who has been given so many gifts yet really doesn't care as much as we do about the success of the Detroit Pistons.

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Post  lemonpen on Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:54 am

Looks like the Pelicans are all in.
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Post  deusXango on Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:28 am

Andre Drummond must not be traded! Tobias Harris, Marcus Morris, and Jon Leuer must not be traded! I would not give up on Henry Ellenson, without seeing what he can do on a NBA floor! These are the players I'd protect for the arrival of a hardnosed, Pistons DNA, All-Star player...the rest I'm willing to let go for that type player. The player I have in mind is Jimmy Butler. He's the only player that fits the bill and is possibly obtainable.

There are so many ex-big men, who distinguished themselves for grit, determination, will to win, and their defensive prowess, during their careers who would love to coach Andre Drummond. I've grown weary reading about his inconsistencies but, he hasn't had any consistent coaching on the pro level, and Aaron Grey, IMHO, is the biggest waste of time and money for bringing out the best in our 23 year old, athletic, Phenom. Who is he and what did he accomplish in his career (other than get an undeserved contract from SVG, which comes up too much regarding Drummond)? What the fu@k was wrong with Rasheed Wallace? What's wrong with Rick Mahorn or Bill Laimbeer? How about Big Bens mentor, Charles Oakley? So many superior choices that could mold Drummond into something but, it's easier to talk about his contract or trading him for a lessor player because we don't like what his contract calls for; I don't think throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a viable solution, no matter how convincing an argument is put forth to do so.

All things considered, our cadre of big men is as good as any in the NBA; can the same be said for our guards? IMHO, we're the only TEAM in the NBA who's bench guards can probably outshine the starters; I think that on most nights, Reggie Bullock can produce more than KCP, on both ends of the floor, and I don't care for the 22 point, 4 assist game (an upward tick people) being a convincing signal that Reggie Jackson is a better leader on the floor than Ishmael Smith or Beno Udrih. The main reason I favor our big men over the guards is #1. we'll be faced with insanely overpaying for KCP's continued services and #2. Jackson's ill-health extends far beyond that knee that requires continued repair and we would do well to move him while his trade value is as high as It is....it can drop considerately more if we choose to pussyfoot around. None of our big men has those issues.

For the bean counters on the forum; I know the All-Star game doesn't mean sh!t in the grand scheme of things but, with the 3rd highest payroll in the entire NBA, doesn't it make you feel a certain sort of way not to have any representation there? I mean every team that's challenging us for a playoff spot (and some that won't make it) is represented. I don't ever expect to see Reggie or KCP or Johnson in an All-Star game; a game that's been reduced to an exhibition of players the paying fans want to see.

Jimmy Butler was there and that's who I'd move the heavens and earth to acquire; I'm imagining him starting in the red, white, and blue with Drummond, Harris, Morris, and yes, Smith, for right now. I've replaced Leuer by re-inserting Harris back where I personally believe he belongs; I think losing Harris is more detrimental to the TEAM than losing Leuer, particularly when we have Ellenson waiting in the wings. Call me crazy but, I think a backcourt of Butler and Smith is a helluva lot better than Jackson and KCP. Butler also makes losing Johnson that much easier to swallow.

Who believes that SVG can actually develop a big man? Where's the proof? Please don't suggest Dwight Howard!
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Who watches the NBA All Star game?

Post  cool breeze on Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:04 pm

I have a lot of friends and former teammates and can't find anyone who has watched the NBA All Star game in the last 3 years. There sure are better options to spend your day off from work. I tuned in to last year's game only because Drummond was invited but quickly shut it down after about 10 minutes. This is a meaningless game. The players who don't make the All Star game must be happy they were not picked. At least our guys will get some rest this year.

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Will Detroit make a trade? Will the number one draft pick be Fultz this summer?

Post  cool breeze on Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:35 am

Nothing has changed when it comes to basketball sports fans. There are always unanswered questions. What is going on in Stan Van Gundy's mind now? That is what I want to know. What about Tom Gores? Isn't he disappointed with the results so far with his key players?

First off I do not think that Fultz is the best player in this draft. I watched him in action last night. He is a freshman playing for Washington. One has to question the so called draft board experts if they believe Fultz is the best player this year. Fultz, in my opinion, is not a complete player yet. He takes a lot of shots because he plays on a losing team. Does that strike a cord with any of you Piston fans? Too many times experts judge success by just looking at the score sheet. When Fultz is covered by a really good college defender, struggles. Is he a good defender? I couldn't see that he was last night. Can he match up against top tier point guards in the NBA? No way. Right now I believe that there are 4 players who would be better prospects in the NBA. All of them are more fundamentally sound. And there are several freshman who will return to college next season and mature and mod likely have much better NBA careers than Fultz. I do hope that Boston takes Fultz if they end up with the number one overall pick. That would be good news for the Pistons. Meanwhile, Ball from UCLA is listed on many draft boards as the number 2 overall pick. He is a franchise player for sure unless he suffers a horrible injury. Josh Jackson, in my opinion, should not be listed in the top 7. He is not a solid college player and does not carry enough weight to make a NBA rotation yet. Jackson should be considered a project player.

My gut feeling relating to the Pistons future is that the franchise is in big trouble. I haven't seen one player get better from last season to this season. I can't identify one position on the floor that is better this season from last. And the Pistons are a young developing type of team. That is why so many Piston fans are depressed when thinking about the future. Maybe it is not politics after all. This team has regressed anyway management wants to spin things. And worst of all, the Detroit Pistons have the 3rd highest payroll in the NBA, only get one draft pick out of the first two rounds and that pick is not high enough to score a game changing type of prospect. Cut your loses Piston management. Try to trade Andre Drummond now before next season at least. He has not developed at all from last season to this season. If Detroit could get Orlando's starting center and their starting point guard, I feel much better about the future of the Pistons. If there are any takers just to cut down the payroll, I would trade Drummond and Jackson now. Go downtown and start over Mr. Van Gundy. You have two players who are not coachable. They both beat to their own drum. But do not give up Stanley Johnson, Tobias Harris or even Morris just to get rid of those two highly paid franchise players unless you get at least two promising or established improving type players who can become top tier players. Harris and Johnson are still very young and neither player is a starter. I would trade Pope, Drummond, and Jackson without hesitation. I include Pope because he is a guy who hasn't improved even though he has played perhaps more minutes than any Piston player over the past 3 years. And he is just not worth what his agent is going to ask. The Pistons will be stuck with Pope if they decide to pay him big money. Why do it? Detroit would come out much better if they let him go or even better if some team will offer something for him now. What do you think?

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Post  cool breeze on Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:06 am

BallinD wrote:WTF, I feel you all the way.
There is enough money on this planet for every person to be a millionaire.  There are enough resources on the planet to feed and clothe everyone.  Three large solar farms in the western states, just 0.6 percent of the country's available land could power the entire United States!

Yet divide and conquer rules the day. the false choices of Dems vs Repubs, Conservatives vs Liberals, Americans vs Soviets, men vs women, blacks vs whites, science vs religion...and so it goes to keep us in cognitive dissonance where we cannot identify fact from fiction.  Meanwhile bread and circuses, like our beloved and underachieving Pistons keep the populace distracted, and truth be told, most of us are so dumbed-down, under-educated they cannot dissect the issues and lack discernment to read between the lines and decide between what the "News" tells us and what is really happening.  

We have Wikileaks and other "reveals" telling us what our government is really up to (in their own words, their own emails), but nobody reads or examines the information, or that of whistleblowers, insiders, Alternative news, etc., so we live in darkness, cause what is the little guy supposed to do?  Vote for the big guy/gal who answers to the bigger guy/gal, who answers to the globalists, who answer to the true psychopaths masquerading as the man behind the curtain as in the Wizard of Oz.  "Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain."  

But these are all conspiracy theories...a term concocted by the CIA to explain away the Kennedy assasination.  What else was assasinated?  The ability to think?


WTF wrote:Okay it's hard to refrain but..........

Man I'm just tired of this mean ass world it's horrible  why can't we just love each other and do the right things, why are we so uncompassionate?  I'm afraid I'm really am that we are so close to the end because there is no reason, no political stance or policy that should take precedence over humanity.  We should always be in combat with hatred and evil and all the things that derive from it.  You don't need to take a religious stance because there's nothing religious about love and compassion.  

What's going on in this world isn't a joke, it's nothing funny about it and we should not be taking anything for granted.  We all bleed the same color, what we look like, where we come from and what we believe really not that important we just need to respect each other and learn to be more tolerant of each others beliefs.  

I guess I'm feeling some kind of way today was restless and couldn't sleep last night and I watch a few documentaries one on fracking and one about the Japan bombing August 5 1945.  I watch one on slavery and this was all in addition to just watching MSNBC all day and all I can see is how consumed this world is in hate.  But what's really scary is watching the world just go on as if it really doesn't exist.  

Is money really more important than humanity? how can we accept that?  I almost cried and yes I can cry listening to a bomb survivor say that their government just want the last of them to die so that part of their history can be put behind them.  Racism comes in all forms so hearing how these people are treated and looked was even more hurting.  They are treated like a plague, and discriminated against because of health issues they may have that they can't get married and have normal families lives because people fear birth defeats and potential health issues.  Knowing what that bomb was capable of how could we conclude dropping it own non-combatants justified.  To hear our dumbass President say why we don't use them is scary.

Flint and many places like are we okay with that?  Watching the fracking doc was equally disheartening everything is money and its gain at the expense of common decency.  No one water should catch fire, no one home should be destroyed, no one rights to clean safe drinking water shouldn't be ignored are we really this evil.   What ever happen to doing until others as you would have them do until you.  

People we need to wake up we need to love each other better than we do.  I don't want to die with hate as the last thing in my heart,  I don't want to die knowing I didn't care about humanity.  Excuse my rant today but if I'm gone in the next few seconds I love my forum family, I love my family, I love my neighbor, my enemy and my friends.  Now I'll go back to trading these players and firing the coach.

I enjoyed some of your comments. We need to keep our good perspective of how the world should be. This forum shouldn't be about politics and the insanity of some individuals who believe in false news stories created by a corrupt media that makes billions on covering elections. When the elections are over, they want to keep a good thing going. We need more people to become "Independents" not associated with any political party especially among the teaching profession. I recall the ethics classes I had to take in college in the college of education where we were told it would be a termination offense if you ever told a student your personal opinion relating to politics or mentioned preference with one political party over another. Students should research and debate the issues not listen to extreme views of some of today's teachers. False news stories are now created not only within the media but in the classrooms of the public schools. Elementary school students shouldn't be involved in politics. Parents have a job to protect their kids and make them feel safe. The teachers should not create fear for little kids. Kids should not be worrying about world affairs. No wonder so many small kids are on so many meds. Tune it all out Piston fans. Look for the bright side and you will find a lot of kind caring individuals out there who are not like the people the news media likes to offer up to us. Go to the high school basketball games and get involved in your community. There are so many great Americans who want to do the right thing.

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BallinD and My Forum Buds Please Forgive Me Today

Post  WTF on Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:09 pm

I just had to get that out of me today yet it's still lingering in the mind I know that in short time at least I feel this way that good will soon confront evil in a desperate attempt to save itself and it won't be pretty. One doesn't have to be engulf into a particular faith or religion it is blatantly obvious that the many divides in this world will eventually end us all if we don't wake up soon.

We don't have to believe if God is real or the Devil is real we bare enough witness to what is good and what is evil, we know our day are not promised that at any moment we could cease to exist in this world. I think for many it's just easier for them not to look and acknowledge it, to choose to be entertain with the nonsense but that's not a solution at all it's giving up.

I don't mean to be a rain cloud today my friends just a lot on my heart I guess just bare with me while I work my way out it. It just sometimes I feel out of place and out time. I try real hard to figure out what point that we as people became this disconnected from knowing what's right and wrong and this world I guess it changed when I was old enough to see the world as an adult and no longer as a child.

This **** just isn't funny and something horrible is going to end up happening, these protest are not going to remain peaceful for long, this climate is only getting worse 62 degrees today people same for tomorrow really. Like I said I'm not pushing a faith here, but if nothing else we need to serve humanity if nothing else. We need to be more about compassion than we are being greedy and self-serving.

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Post  BallinD on Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:05 pm

WTF, I feel you all the way.
There is enough money on this planet for every person to be a millionaire.  There are enough resources on the planet to feed and clothe everyone.  Three large solar farms in the western states, just 0.6 percent of the country's available land could power the entire United States!

Yet divide and conquer rules the day. the false choices of Dems vs Repubs, Conservatives vs Liberals, Americans vs Soviets, men vs women, blacks vs whites, science vs religion...and so it goes to keep us in cognitive dissonance where we cannot identify fact from fiction.  Meanwhile bread and circuses, like our beloved and underachieving Pistons keep the populace distracted, and truth be told, most of us are so dumbed-down, under-educated they cannot dissect the issues and lack discernment to read between the lines and decide between what the "News" tells us and what is really happening.  

We have Wikileaks and other "reveals" telling us what our government is really up to (in their own words, their own emails), but nobody reads or examines the information, or that of whistleblowers, insiders, Alternative news, etc., so we live in darkness, cause what is the little guy supposed to do?  Vote for the big guy/gal who answers to the bigger guy/gal, who answers to the globalists, who answer to the true psychopaths masquerading as the man behind the curtain as in the Wizard of Oz.  "Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain."  

But these are all conspiracy theories...a term concocted by the CIA to explain away the Kennedy assasination.  What else was assasinated?  The ability to think?


WTF wrote:Okay it's hard to refrain but..........

Man I'm just tired of this mean ass world it's horrible  why can't we just love each other and do the right things, why are we so uncompassionate?  I'm afraid I'm really am that we are so close to the end because there is no reason, no political stance or policy that should take precedence over humanity.  We should always be in combat with hatred and evil and all the things that derive from it.  You don't need to take a religious stance because there's nothing religious about love and compassion.  

What's going on in this world isn't a joke, it's nothing funny about it and we should not be taking anything for granted.  We all bleed the same color, what we look like, where we come from and what we believe really not that important we just need to respect each other and learn to be more tolerant of each others beliefs.  

I guess I'm feeling some kind of way today was restless and couldn't sleep last night and I watch a few documentaries one on fracking and one about the Japan bombing August 5 1945.  I watch one on slavery and this was all in addition to just watching MSNBC all day and all I can see is how consumed this world is in hate.  But what's really scary is watching the world just go on as if it really doesn't exist.  

Is money really more important than humanity? how can we accept that?  I almost cried and yes I can cry listening to a bomb survivor say that their government just want the last of them to die so that part of their history can be put behind them.  Racism comes in all forms so hearing how these people are treated and looked was even more hurting.  They are treated like a plague, and discriminated against because of health issues they may have that they can't get married and have normal families lives because people fear birth defeats and potential health issues.  Knowing what that bomb was capable of how could we conclude dropping it own non-combatants justified.  To hear our dumbass President say why we don't use them is scary.

Flint and many places like are we okay with that?  Watching the fracking doc was equally disheartening everything is money and its gain at the expense of common decency.  No one water should catch fire, no one home should be destroyed, no one rights to clean safe drinking water shouldn't be ignored are we really this evil.   What ever happen to doing until others as you would have them do until you.  

People we need to wake up we need to love each other better than we do.  I don't want to die with hate as the last thing in my heart,  I don't want to die knowing I didn't care about humanity.  Excuse my rant today but if I'm gone in the next few seconds I love my forum family, I love my family, I love my neighbor, my enemy and my friends.  Now I'll go back to trading these players and firing the coach.
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If SVG gives away Stanley Johnson to Orlando just to dump Jackson's salary, we will all find out how unhealthy SVG is at this point in time

Post  cool breeze on Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:38 pm

The pressure is on Stan Van Gundy. The owner is scratching his head realizing that he has the 3rd highest payroll in the entire NBA with players that cannot hold their own against any top tier team even in the Eastern conference unless one of those tams has played a lot of away games before playing Detroit. Reggie Jackson has leveled off big time. He is unable to finish in the paint and has reduced his attempts to penetrate. His defense is no better either. SVG knows he must move Jackson but it appears the deal with Orlando is not a good one. The Orlando GM knows SVG has the pressure on his as do all other GMs in the NBA. That is why Stan will have to accept a bad deal or no deal to move Jackson. I say don't do any deal with Jackson and try to move Pope.

Including Stanley Johnson with Jackson to Orlando would be great for Orlando. Detroit already has too many specialists on the roster. There really are no solid defensive players and I included KCP and will not fall into the nonsense that Pope is a good defender against point guards or 2 guards. He simply isn't. Meanwhile, if Orlando can secure Johnson they will have a really good defensive unit. If only Detroit could make a trade with Orlando to move both Jackson and Drummond for Orlando's center and their starting point guard, I would be OK with including Johnson in that trade idea. Otherwise, SVG should wait and see how Jackson performs next season when his knee is healed. The fact is Jackson shouldn't be playing at all because he is injured.

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Post  WTF on Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:20 pm

Okay it's hard to refrain but..........

Man I'm just tired of this mean ass world it's horrible why can't we just love each other and do the right things, why are we so uncompassionate? I'm afraid I'm really am that we are so close to the end because there is no reason, no political stance or policy that should take precedence over humanity. We should always be in combat with hatred and evil and all the things that derive from it. You don't need to take a religious stance because there's nothing religious about love and compassion.

What's going on in this world isn't a joke, it's nothing funny about it and we should not be taking anything for granted. We all bleed the same color, what we look like, where we come from and what we believe really not that important we just need to respect each other and learn to be more tolerant of each others beliefs.

I guess I'm feeling some kind of way today was restless and couldn't sleep last night and I watch a few documentaries one on fracking and one about the Japan bombing August 5 1945. I watch one on slavery and this was all in addition to just watching MSNBC all day and all I can see is how consumed this world is in hate. But what's really scary is watching the world just go on as if it really doesn't exist.

Is money really more important than humanity? how can we accept that? I almost cried and yes I can cry listening to a bomb survivor say that their government just want the last of them to die so that part of their history can be put behind them. Racism comes in all forms so hearing how these people are treated and looked was even more hurting. They are treated like a plague, and discriminated against because of health issues they may have that they can't get married and have normal families lives because people fear birth defeats and potential health issues. Knowing what that bomb was capable of how could we conclude dropping it own non-combatants justified. To hear our dumbass President say why we don't use them is scary.

Flint and many places like are we okay with that? Watching the fracking doc was equally disheartening everything is money and its gain at the expense of common decency. No one water should catch fire, no one home should be destroyed, no one rights to clean safe drinking water shouldn't be ignored are we really this evil. What ever happen to doing until others as you would have them do until you.

People we need to wake up we need to love each other better than we do. I don't want to die with hate as the last thing in my heart, I don't want to die knowing I didn't care about humanity. Excuse my rant today but if I'm gone in the next few seconds I love my forum family, I love my family, I love my neighbor, my enemy and my friends. Now I'll go back to trading these players and firing the coach.
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Post  WTF on Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:36 pm

Honestly there's only 2 players I would keep on this team and that's Harris and Morris. While I'm willing to part with Andre, KCP and Reggie I wouldn't do it just for the sake of doing so. Meaning I'm getting something of value in return I can build on I'm not even sure I would dump all three at once but I do believe that at least 2 of them need to be moved by deadline.

Safely to say KCP and Reggie can both be moved for the right pieces and I wouldn't be oppose to having both Rubio and Butler replacing them. Andre on the other hand if I were to move him it would have to be for the likes of Cousins or Brow and would likely be the only move needed. Reggie could be the only move I think replacing him with just Rubio makes us better just like it would moving Andre for either Brow or Cousins would.

Bottom line is someone has to be moved I don't think we should just dump KCP for a financial reason though they may be the reason he has value and we need to get something of value back like an early first round pick or a competent PG. Reggie just needs to be gone he has talent and that's 6th Man Talent he's not a starting PG contrary to opposite we should have kept Jennings.

But there's opportunities all over the place even in moving a bench player or two. Cavs need a center we have 2 on our bench that should net us a late 1st or early round pick out the Cavs if we decided to help their cause. We should IMO do just that.

My understanding is that everything is up for grabs in Clipperville so we need to be exploring things there seems everyone there is a FA come summer and the Clipper just might be ready to heat the reset button there.

I would be highly disappointed if SVG stood pat and not move one of the three starters I've mentioned.
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