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Post  WTF Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:17 pm

Sparma wrote:I've been a longterm fan of Dumars, but that's an impressive list, Wise.

In fairness Sparma I do a list of Good moves but many I can only give him partial credit on them because he either had help or went on to screw it up.

1. Hiring Rick C. full credit
2. Replacing Rick with LB full credit
3. Trading for Rasheed partial credit becuase Joe would not have pulled that trigger if not for LB insistence.
4. Sign and trade to acquire Big Ben and Chuckie only partial credit because Grant was gone either way and he and Orlando threw Joe this bone.
5. Reviving Dice's career full credit
6. Trading Rip for Stackhouse full credit
7. Drafting Tayshuan Prince partial credit because this also influence Joe passing on Carmelo
8. Drafting Stuckey partial credit because he jack this kid career up
9. Hiring Flip partial credit for scapegoating him later
10. Winning Championship 2004 partial credit because he never saw it coming until it was in his lap.

Seriously I can't see anything beyond these 10 things listed.  While you can get faulted for screwing up a lottery pick (Darko) you can't get credit for no brainer lottery picks like (Drummond and Monroe).  Winning the title was huge but also negated by all the dumb sh!t that followed it.
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Post  cool breeze Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:01 pm

MOOSEFAN wrote:Looking at some of the photos from the charity event and not a single one of them with Fat Joe among his former team mates because he's obviously ducking the media.   Man Gores looks so happy in those photos with Zeke and Bill.  tb 

In honor of the 25th Reunion let me see if I can up with 25 Dumars Fu@k Up!  hehe 

1.  Darko instead of Carmelo, Wade or Bosh
2.  Cleaves
3.  Rodney White
4.  AI
5.  Ben Gordon when he already had Rip and Stuckey at SG.
6.  Charlie V
7.  Micheal Curry his fault
8.  John Kuester his fault again
9.  Lawrence Frank not all his fault
10.Trading CB to get AI
11.Trading Affalo just because
12.Allowing Big Ben to sign with Bulls
13.Drafting Knight when he shouldn't have
14.Trading Knight and Middleton for Jennings confirming he shouldn't have and making it worse in signing Jennings
15.Passing on Kemba Walker to draft Knight who he traded away for Jennings
16.Passing on Ty Lawson because Austin Daye was a 6'11 SG
17.Destroyed Stuckey in so many ways I can't count them all
18.Ruining Rip by defaming him
19.Passing on Burke because he needed a shooter more so he drafted a score duh!
20.Passing on MCW see passing on Burke
21.Resigning Bynum because he picks his Krispy Kremes up on the way in
22.Scapegoating Flip to save his own ass
23.Standing pat for 8 straight trade deadlines because he's a coward
24.Not amnestying Charlie fu@k if any of us would know
25.Becoming a Fat Ass from sitting on his ass doing nothing since winning title in 2004.  

You nailed it Moosefan! Drafting Rodney White because Michael Jordan told Joe that Rodney was a better player than Joe Johnson was a sign that more mistakes would be made down the road.

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Post  Sparma Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:39 am

I've been a longterm fan of Dumars, but that's an impressive list, Wise.
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Post  WTF Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:06 am

Murph wrote:
MOOSEFAN wrote:Looking at some of the photos from the charity event and not a single one of them with Fat Joe among his former team mates because he's obviously ducking the media.   Man Gores looks so happy in those photos with Zeke and Bill.  tb 

In honor of the 25th Reunion let me see if I can up with 25 Dumars Fu@k Up!  hehe 

1.  Darko instead of Carmelo, Wade or Bosh
2.  Cleaves
3.  Rodney White
4.  AI
5.  Ben Gordon when he already had Rip and Stuckey at SG.
6.  Charlie V
7.  Micheal Curry his fault
8.  John Kuester his fault again
9.  Lawrence Frank not all his fault
10.Trading CB to get AI
11.Trading Affalo just because
12.Allowing Big Ben to sign with Bulls
13.Drafting Knight when he shouldn't have
14.Trading Knight and Middleton for Jennings confirming he shouldn't have and making it worse in signing Jennings
15.Passing on Kemba Walker to draft Knight who he traded away for Jennings
16.Passing on Ty Lawson because Austin Daye was a 6'11 SG
17.Destroyed Stuckey in so many ways I can't count them all
18.Ruining Rip by defaming him
19.Passing on Burke because he needed a shooter more so he drafted a score duh!
20.Passing on MCW see passing on Burke
21.Resigning Bynum because he picks his Krispy Kremes up on the way in
22.Scapegoating Flip to save his own ass
23.Standing pat for 8 straight trade deadlines because he's a coward
24.Not amnestying Charlie fu@k if any of us would know
25.Becoming a Fat Ass from sitting on his ass doing nothing since winning title in 2004.  

Wise...great post.  And instant classic.  

But you forgot a few...giving away Amir Johnson so he could sign Chris Wilcox instead, signing Chris Wilcox, giving up a draft pick to dump Ben Gordon the shooter he's been looking for ever since, not bring Bill Laimbeer and Isiah Thomas into the organization in some capacity, and ruining what was left of Mo Cheeks' career.   Joe is a one man wreching crew.   Joe

Murph, I could have probably came up with 50 of them but we're not at the 50 year mark  lol but winning in 2004 kind of save him, allowing Grant Hill to walk, Memo, Corliss, falling to hire Avery Johnson, not pulling of the countless rumored trades Tay for Boozer,  Tay for Kobe, Stuckey and Rip for Rondo, etc, never hiring an GM that was big mistake!, Maxiell, not drafting Mark Gasol, never balancing the roster since 2004.
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Post  WTF Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:53 am

Oracle wrote:"When I think about the Pistons situation at point guard, I can't help but be slightly miffed. Like scores of Pistons fans out there, I really thought that Trey Burke was the ideal player to plug into Detroit. 
Burke showed last year, especially during the NCAA Tournament, that he could really be a Godsend for offensively challenged yet athletic big men. Burke made Mitch McGary look like Patrick Ewing during March Madness, and had McGary opted for the pros, he would have likely been a borderline lottery pick." - What Detroit Pistons Roster Should Look Like When Building Around Andre Drummond

I've only been screaming these things all season long from trading Monroe at the trade deadline although there are possible options in a sign and trade they could also just possibly loose him without being compensated. Truth is Monroe will get a Max Offer and the Pistons will be fools to match based on the potential that he and Andre can co-exist in the front-court. No way we pay him a Max Deal and bring him off the bench.

No matter how you cut it Singler is not a starter he's a role player. I get it that he's the most fundamentally sound player on the roster but that don't make him physically capable to spend starter minutes at either the SG or SF. We should be giving Mitchell serious minutes at SF to see what we have with him. The same should be said about Siva before we write him off as being incapable.

I agree and disagree on the Josh assessment. The guy has played PF since entering the league and been effective in doing some. He can't shoot for sh!t outside but by all accounts he's a better option at PF than Monroe. You don't average 18 and 8 on a whim! IMO Josh wasn't put in the right position to excel here or in Atlanta this IMO has been a result of coaching and PG play.

I also been on the Nik Stauskas SG bandwagon as well as McDermot SF and think the Pistons would be fools if they pass on either if available because these are sure bets. Stauskas could be in the Final Four after this weekend, he's the Big 10 MVP and best shooter in the NCAA.

I don't think things are hopeless because they will have plenty of cap space and enough 1 year contracts to pull off some things even if they can't dumb Jennings contract which isn't enormous so he's not completely un-tradeable. But like I said team need to stop waiting for sh!t to fix itself and get the piece that will work and not the piece we hope will one day work. Let Moose go, move Josh to PF, draft Stauskas or MeDermot and make a trade to get Affalo back and sway the Bosh deal.

There is an option at the SG but this requires them taking the cuffs of KCP and giving him the green light to do what he does best and that is score. But after reading his comments a few days ago about feeling he met his goals I'm not sure I want him on the team.
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Post  Oracle Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:44 am

"When I think about the Pistons situation at point guard, I can't help but be slightly miffed. Like scores of Pistons fans out there, I really thought that Trey Burke was the ideal player to plug into Detroit. 
Burke showed last year, especially during the NCAA Tournament, that he could really be a Godsend for offensively challenged yet athletic big men. Burke made Mitch McGary look like Patrick Ewing during March Madness, and had McGary opted for the pros, he would have likely been a borderline lottery pick." - What Detroit Pistons Roster Should Look Like When Building Around Andre Drummond
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Post  Murph Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:36 am

MOOSEFAN wrote:Looking at some of the photos from the charity event and not a single one of them with Fat Joe among his former team mates because he's obviously ducking the media.   Man Gores looks so happy in those photos with Zeke and Bill.  tb 

In honor of the 25th Reunion let me see if I can up with 25 Dumars Fu@k Up!  hehe 

1.  Darko instead of Carmelo, Wade or Bosh
2.  Cleaves
3.  Rodney White
4.  AI
5.  Ben Gordon when he already had Rip and Stuckey at SG.
6.  Charlie V
7.  Micheal Curry his fault
8.  John Kuester his fault again
9.  Lawrence Frank not all his fault
10.Trading CB to get AI
11.Trading Affalo just because
12.Allowing Big Ben to sign with Bulls
13.Drafting Knight when he shouldn't have
14.Trading Knight and Middleton for Jennings confirming he shouldn't have and making it worse in signing Jennings
15.Passing on Kemba Walker to draft Knight who he traded away for Jennings
16.Passing on Ty Lawson because Austin Daye was a 6'11 SG
17.Destroyed Stuckey in so many ways I can't count them all
18.Ruining Rip by defaming him
19.Passing on Burke because he needed a shooter more so he drafted a score duh!
20.Passing on MCW see passing on Burke
21.Resigning Bynum because he picks his Krispy Kremes up on the way in
22.Scapegoating Flip to save his own ass
23.Standing pat for 8 straight trade deadlines because he's a coward
24.Not amnestying Charlie fu@k if any of us would know
25.Becoming a Fat Ass from sitting on his ass doing nothing since winning title in 2004.  

Wise...great post.  And instant classic.  

But you forgot a few...giving away Amir Johnson so he could sign Chris Wilcox instead, signing Chris Wilcox, giving up a draft pick to dump Ben Gordon the shooter he's been looking for ever since, not bring Bill Laimbeer and Isiah Thomas into the organization in some capacity, and ruining what was left of Mo Cheeks' career.   Joe is a one man wreching crew.  Joe


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Post  WTF Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:39 pm

Looking at some of the photos from the charity event and not a single one of them with Fat Joe among his former team mates because he's obviously ducking the media. Man Gores looks so happy in those photos with Zeke and Bill.  tb 

In honor of the 25th Reunion let me see if I can up with 25 Dumars Fu@k Up!  hehe 

1. Darko instead of Carmelo, Wade or Bosh
2. Cleaves
3. Rodney White
4. AI
5. Ben Gordon when he already had Rip and Stuckey at SG.
6. Charlie V
7. Micheal Curry his fault
8. John Kuester his fault again
9. Lawrence Frank not all his fault
10.Trading CB to get AI
11.Trading Affalo just because
12.Allowing Big Ben to sign with Bulls
13.Drafting Knight when he shouldn't have
14.Trading Knight and Middleton for Jennings confirming he shouldn't have and making it worse in signing Jennings
15.Passing on Kemba Walker to draft Knight who he traded away for Jennings
16.Passing on Ty Lawson because Austin Daye was a 6'11 SG
17.Destroyed Stuckey in so many ways I can't count them all
18.Ruining Rip by defaming him
19.Passing on Burke because he needed a shooter more so he drafted a score duh!
20.Passing on MCW see passing on Burke
21.Resigning Bynum because he picks his Krispy Kremes up on the way in
22.Scapegoating Flip to save his own ass
23.Standing pat for 8 straight trade deadlines because he's a coward
24.Not amnestying Charlie fu@k if any of us would know
25.Becoming a Fat Ass from sitting on his ass doing nothing since winning title in 2004.
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Post  Oracle Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:21 pm

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Post  Oracle Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:59 pm

Good out of the box thinking!

I like Afflalo & Chalmers in the backcourt, great offense and good defense combination!

IMO, I'll take Bosh, but we might be able to do better salary and age wise elsewhere, but it's still not a bad thought! However, I see Chalmers & Afflalo as a lot easier to get done, and honestly most important!

I'm not ready to throw a 4 year player out just yet in Monroe! He'll always be easily tradable, especially to Washington, so don't fret!

With that shooting & defense in the backcourt, I would really prefer to have a SF that can also spread the floor and capable of hitting the rim on FT's, and that just isn't Josh Smith!

I'd rather start Josh at PF and have Monroe come off the bench as a center. Josh may be a bit undersized at PF, but if Maxiell could play center/PF effectively, Josh can play PF, and he knows the league!

Chalmers, Afflalo, some SF(Deng?), Josh and Drummond would start.
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Post  WTF Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:01 pm

Hire me Gores and I promise you.......

If this was my starting point to build around Andre with an idea of contending now, and not freaking later then I'm taking my ass to South Beach and Orlando with Monroe, Singler, Jennings, an assortment of nuts along with my draft pick all in tow with me. Then I'm coming back to Auburn Hills with both Bosh and Affalo, a couple of 2nd round picks and whatever assortments of nuts I was stuck with. Seriously I'm willing to bet that I could walk away with Bosh and Charmers and leave Moose and Jennings asses in South Beach. Seriously I'm willing to bet that I could retrieve Affalo out of Orlando.

I could do this without being over the cap. I promise you that because I will have while over 24 million in cap space that say's I can swap Moose and the draft pick for Bosh and sign Charmers in the process. How can I sell this to Miami well they'll need a potential franchise player if Lebron decides to bolt and D-Wade health still in question. I promise that I sell Orlando in a swap of AA for Jennings.

I promise that next season starters would be Charmers at PG, Affalo at SG, Josh at SF, Bosh at PF and Andre at C. and that I will have just enough assorted competent nuts left over to complete the roster. Now if we were to turn this team over to a tough minded defensive thinking coach were in business. Maybe I get to keep Singler, Siva, Mitchell, and Harrellson and my top 9 players are in place. This sound like a team that could make it to the finals,



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Post  WTF Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:25 pm

Serena gave me a hard on  Shocked 

Listening to her grunt and watching that arse is just mind blowing. It's almost like porn  rockon 
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Post  WTF Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:15 pm

This team needs a cleansing on all levels from the owners to players, it needs to become diseased free by getting rid of what's ailing this team. The word potential with some of these players is like taking a medication with all the wrong side-effects in a piss poor attempt to eliminate all the sickness with this team.

Gores need to remove the blinders of friendship, his fu@king self imposed ego, what's trending, the selling of hope and grasp the idea of winning. It's time to draw a line in the sand, make the hard decision, do the unpopular things, to right the things that need to be righted.

He has to take a deep hard look at this rosters and decide what to do with it, and what's best for it. Easier said than done but this shouldn't be an excuse to half ass go about what's required. Remove all the guess work, stop banking on potential and get into the moment and address what's required. Stop throwing sh!t against the wall to see what sticks, some sh!t has a tendency to stick.

What I'm saying is if you need a PG get one, if you need shooters get them, if you need a bench acquire one, if you need a effective coach hire one, if you need a effective GM hire one. Stop seeking potential! Stop letting the media and others do and make decision for you based on their opinions. Use common fu@ckin sense and acknowledge this is a business and that winning is good business. It fills your fu@kin arena, sells your products (jersey, hats, and pompoms).

First thing Gores need to do is recognize what real direction he wants take this team. The easy start is establishing what player is franchise or if he needs to get that player. Many think that players is Andre so what Gore need to do is think about all the things he's going to put around that franchise player. So he needs to to think hard about who he hires as the next GM because that GM is going to be responsible for hiring the next coach and getting the right players to put around your franchised player. The next GM should be some emotionless prick without self interest with only the thought of putting together the best roster possible for the coach he hires. A GM that's not looking for the next great, but instead acquiring players that completely fit the needs of the team and best fit around the franchised player.



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Post  Sebastian Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:47 pm

MOOSEFAN wrote:Fourth, bring Josh Smith off the bench next year.  I still like Smith, and I don't think he has any problems that a good coach can't fix.  But it's clear that our 3 Big rotation just doesn't work, and that Smith just is not a SF.  And in games where Monroe is struggling defensively as our starting PF, then sub in Josh Smith immediately and play him major minutes at PF. - Murph

Murph, and neither is Moose a PF.  The reason why the three don't work is not that Josh isn't a SF but because Moose isn't a PF. All the statistics confirm that it's the pairing of Andre and Greg that isn't working and is the biggest culprit as to why it doesn't work.  Love him as many of you do it Moose that needs to come off the bench and be confined solely to playing center as a back up to Andre.   He should never be in a line up with Josh and Andre.

I don't care how many times the three of them at the end of the day had double-double in a game it's generally happens outside of a structured offensive scheme.   There's not chemistry there nor is it resulting from a plan offense this is why inconsistency exist with them.  It's Freelanced Bullsh!t!

There is no way that Moose would agree to coming of the bench and this is why he needs to be traded, moving Josh to the bench doesn't correct the fact that Moose is virtually non existent on defense, and still can't hit a consistent Mid-Range Shot.   A coach or GM would have an easier time correcting Josh's game than they would trying to correct these 2 issues with Monroe game.  

Time to stop thinking like Joe Dumars people and think about what's best for the team.

I'm with Moosefan, not fans of Moose on this one. Moose has got to be part of a sign-and-trade package come July!
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Post  WTF Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:30 pm

Third, hire a big name, defensive minded coach.  We need a well respected name that preaches defense first.  We need a coach who can come up with some kind of defensive scheme to make Monroe and Drummond at least adequate defenders, not to mention our guards.  Until we find a coach that fixes our defensive woes, we aren't going anywhere.  We need someone like Larry Brown...only sane.  Tom Izzo, George Karl or Jerry Sloan, perhaps? - Murph

Really doesn't matter if we don't first properly balance the roster and get the right players.  Three of these coaches are strong believers of "man to man" defense and we have some of the weakest defenders in the league on our roster.   ]b]Are seriously thinking that any of these coaches can come up with a scheme to address the issues?  [/b]
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Post  WTF Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:20 pm

Fourth, bring Josh Smith off the bench next year. I still like Smith, and I don't think he has any problems that a good coach can't fix. But it's clear that our 3 Big rotation just doesn't work, and that Smith just is not a SF. And in games where Monroe is struggling defensively as our starting PF, then sub in Josh Smith immediately and play him major minutes at PF. - Murph

Murph, and neither is Moose a PF. The reason why the three don't work is not that Josh isn't a SF but because Moose isn't a PF. All the statistics confirm that it's the pairing of Andre and Greg that isn't working and is the biggest culprit as to why it doesn't work. Love him as many of you do it Moose that needs to come off the bench and be confined solely to playing center as a back up to Andre. He should never be in a line up with Josh and Andre.

I don't care how many times the three of them at the end of the day had double-double in a game it's generally happens outside of a structured offensive scheme. There's not chemistry there nor is it resulting from a plan offense this is why inconsistency exist with them. It's Freelanced Bullsh!t!

There is no way that Moose would agree to coming of the bench and this is why he needs to be traded, moving Josh to the bench doesn't correct the fact that Moose is virtually non existent on defense, and still can't hit a consistent Mid-Range Shot. A coach or GM would have an easier time correcting Josh's game than they would trying to correct these 2 issues with Monroe game.

Time to stop thinking like Joe Dumars people and think about what's best for the team.
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Post  WTF Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:55 pm

Smith is a guy who kills teams because he is a stupid player who is determined to shoot bad shots at critical times. That is why nobody on Atlanta's team over his last two seasons would pass Josh the basketball in crunch time. I wondered when watching the Hawks why Smith was not involved during crunch time. Players didn't trust him to do the right thing - cool breeze

cool breeze I watch Jennings kick the ball countless times to Josh beyond the arc with little time left on the shot clock. We all want blast Josh for those shots and talk about how ill advised they are and attribute that to a form of stupidity in which case its not. I don't care how badly he shots them because the issue is not with him taking those attempts but the PG and other players constantly putting him in that position. Question is what's the bigger problem Josh's poor shooting or the players that keep putting him in that position?

Josh isn't going to improve in all likelihood, can he improve his FG% and FT%? The answer is YES Applying that Atlanta players didn't pass him the ball because he's stupid is a little over the top IMO. How about the Atlanta players didn't pass him the ball because they weren't stupid to do so knowing Josh likeliness of making them. In which point you could say that all the players on this team is stupid because they consistently do it with the shot clock winding down. Josh isn't just jacking up those shots because they're coming in the flow of the offense.

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Post  Sebastian Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:14 pm

cool breeze wrote:First off great result Piston fans! We got lucky with Cleveland making that winning shot  with 3 seconds left. This was the first Piston game that I have ever watched when I clapped when the opponent's shot went in to beat Detroit. Now please Mr. Gores step in and lead and force the coach to play the rookies for the rest of the season. 

John Long casually mentioned how the Bad Boys became successful. He said that once Zeke came aboard the Pistons started to improve every season. All the players improved. They spread the court and trusted each other. Thomas got all the players involved. Then Zeke could take the games over in the 4th quarter with the court spread and opposing teams having to guard the other 4 players. So transform what John said to tonight's game. Who is improving on this team? My players are Drummond, Singler, Jerebco and at times Brandon Jennings. Players who have not improved at all are Stuckey, Monroe, Bynum, and most of all Josh Smith. 

Smith is a guy who kills teams because he is a stupid player who is determined to shoot bad shots at critical times. That is why nobody on Atlanta's team over his last two seasons would pass Josh the basketball in crunch time. I wondered when watching the Hawks why Smith was not involved during crunch time. Players didn't trust him to do the right thing. 

Stuckey is a player who has stayed the same since he arrived as a rookie. He is so powerful at times but cannot do the right thing in crunch time most of the time. And tonight I watched Stuckey on the wing and in the corner hanging on to the ball when nothing was there. He was being guarded and no cutter was open in the lane. So why in hell didn't he pass the ball to Jerebco who was wide open and begging Stuckey to pass him the basketball. This happened 3 times in the 2nd half. Jerebco could have driven to the rim, shot the long ball or passed the ball to the opposite side of the court. That was the correct play for Stuckey to make and he didn't do it. WHY??? Maybe he just doesn't like Jerebco. 

I have said too much about Bynum and don't want to say any more negative things. He is a good man but Detroit needed a bigger back up point guard who is pass first and a good defender. Why Dumars didn't make an attempt to sign Jack is insane. 

Monroe is playing a new position this season so perhaps he should get a pass. But Greg is just not quick enough reacting to what is going on when Detroit is playing defense and that scares me a lot about this guy if the Pistons do pay the going rate to keep him. 

There is something to cheer about with some of the players. 

Drummond has a lot of work to do to become a good defender  but he has the talent. He should be better in every area next season including free throw shooting. 

Singler is proving that he is a good outside shooter and can cause match up problems with opponents because of his 6 foot 8 inch height when he plays the 2 guard. And Singler can play multiple positions moving forward. This is a player Detroit can count on getter much better in the future. He is a work dog. 

Jerebco is not high on many fans list anymore. But I have seen Jonas really improving over the past 6 weeks. He is finally getting consistent minutes. This guy has improved his outside shot and is a good rebounder. But most of all, Jerebco is a guy like Singler who seem to get their hands on the ball when Detroit is playing defense. There is no stat for that but all coaches will tell you that guys who somehow bat the ball or touch or deflect the ball on defense means those players are in the game and battling hard. Having those kind of players on a team is a must if you ever expect to win anything. 

I am hoping that Zeke agrees to either take over the GM job or will coach the Pistons next season. If he coaches the team, nobody in the front office will mess with him. Cry baby players will have nowhere to go if he is the coach. And if he becomes the new GM, then I expect he will do a great job and will BRING GOOD LUCK TO THE PISTONS. He has this special personality that we all grew to love and somehow I believe he will turn things around in the City of Detroit if he will accept the challenge.

Yo, cool breeze, me being the resident Rodney Stuckey apologist/fan has an explanation for Stuckey's sometimes detached play: The dude wants out of the Motor City, plain and simple.

He's been through 5-7 coaches, a variety of backcourt mates, and 6 seasons of 30 or fewer wins. The guy just wants to move on and I can't blame him one damn bit!
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Post  Murph Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:14 am

So hopefully the tanking effort will continue to be successful, and we can hang onto our pick.  Once again, the June draft is all we have to look forward to.


First, I would offer our #8 pick to Phoenix for their #14 and #28th picks.  If Phoenix makes that trade, I'd take PG Elfrid Payton or Tyler Ennis at #14, and PG Shabazz Napier at #28.  Given enough time, one of those PGs could probably develop into an accomplished starter, which would allow Jennings to come off the bench.

If Phoenix won't make that trade and we have to keep the pick, then I'd take SG Gary Harris.


Second, resign Greg Monroe.  We need to retain our talent, especially our own draft picks.


Third, hire a big name, defensive minded coach.  We need a well respected name that preaches defense first.  We need a coach who can come up with some kind of defensive scheme to make Monroe and Drummond at least adequate defenders, not to mention our guards.  Until we find a coach that fixes our defensive woes, we aren't going anywhere.  We need someone like Larry Brown...only sane.  Tom Izzo, George Karl or Jerry Sloan, perhaps?


Fourth, bring Josh Smith off the bench next year.  I still like Smith, and I don't think he has any problems that a good coach can't fix.  But it's clear that our 3 Big rotation just doesn't work, and that Smith just is not a SF.  And in games where Monroe is struggling defensively as our starting PF, then sub in Josh Smith immediately and play him major minutes at PF.


Fifth, make Kyle Singler our starting SF.  He's paid his dues and deserves a shot at the starting SF position.


Sixth, cut ties with Rodney Stuckey, and replace him with a veteran, defensive minded SG who actually has an outside shot.


That's all I can come up with right now.

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Post  WTF Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:50 am

Man I've been cheering losses well before the trade deadline in my eyes losing last night was like a win for the team.  While I advocate keeping our pick this year is largely based on the premise that with should have never offered it up in a trade in an effort to clear Cap Space when we had the option of amnestying Ben Gordon.  I frankly didn't want to go into the summer not having the option of that draft pick in hand to either keep or use in some trade scenario.  Personally I'm not completely sold on the perceived and projected top players in the draft and not sure if we're smart enough to bank on player like McDermot which IMO should be an obvious #1.

We shouldn't be trying to draft a PG but instead seek one via trade or free agency if at all possible.  Many team aren't sold on this years crop of players and not buying into the NCAA and ESPN HYPE MACHINES parading of the next best thing. So I never felt as if we would be missing out if we lost the lottery pick but the idea of not having it as some form of leverage to negotiate a deal made my stomach hurt. I felt the uncertainty of us having that pick at trade deadline might have hurt us in an effort to get a deal done.  Now that we have it back I'm happy  tb
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Post  Fennis Dembo Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:46 am

Welcome to "Recycled Footage Theater" with Sir Fennis Dembo

Do to technical difficulties beyond our control we cannot possibly bring you the highlights or lowlights if you prefer of tonight's  utter debacle of the Detroit Cleveland National  Basketball Association game.  Our cameraman lost his lunch at the shocking conclusion of the game rendering  his high-tech equipment totally useless.

So we will show you the  replay of a game with the same two teams from last month with an identical outcome.    Blowing double digit leads at home against a less talented team has been worked into an art form by these so called professionals.  It is their Hallmark moment.
Missing foul shots by a foot, air-balling another foul shot, brought some comic relief to the tense match.   But alas and alack a forced desperation shot at the 24 second buzzer sealed certain doom for our hometown chokes and underachievers.  

So we present to you Detroit versus Cleveland the replay from February.  It will disgust and sicken you every bit as much as tonight's game. We dare you to watch it in 3-D.  Sponsored by Industrial strength Alka Seltzer, Tumms, and Pepto Bismo, and the Heimlich Maneuver Institute of America.

Doctor's warning.  Viewing this video may cause side effects such as: Nausea, vomiting,  depression, uncontrolled rage, fits of anger, rapid heart beat, double vision, acute pain in the ass, ulcer attacks, and uncontrolled fits of foul language, and loss of faith in humanity and mankind.  View at your own risk.

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Post  Oracle Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:05 am

What can I say, I agree with everything, with the only possible exception of JJ!

I'm conditionally on his bandwagon. If he stays cheap, why would we move him other than someone's demand for him as filler in a trade, which I would agree with.

But Drummond, Singler, and even Jennings, who should come off the bench when we get a real PG, are good to keep along with the rookies!

I'm also for keeping Josh if we can get BOTH the right coach and right PG, because that would remove him from bad situations and let him do ONLY what he does best.

BTW, the air ball of a free throw was just plain embarrassing! He hit NOTHING!!! WOW!
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Post  Oracle Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:48 pm

We managed to lose!

The DetNews can kiss my ass, I'm nowhere near disappointed by this loss, quite the opposite!

Dion Waiters' buzzer shot hands Pistons another disappointing loss
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Post  cool breeze Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:47 pm

First off great result Piston fans! We got lucky with Cleveland making that winning shot  with 3 seconds left. This was the first Piston game that I have ever watched when I clapped when the opponent's shot went in to beat Detroit. Now please Mr. Gores step in and lead and force the coach to play the rookies for the rest of the season. 

John Long casually mentioned how the Bad Boys became successful. He said that once Zeke came aboard the Pistons started to improve every season. All the players improved. They spread the court and trusted each other. Thomas got all the players involved. Then Zeke could take the games over in the 4th quarter with the court spread and opposing teams having to guard the other 4 players. So transform what John said to tonight's game. Who is improving on this team? My players are Drummond, Singler, Jerebco and at times Brandon Jennings. Players who have not improved at all are Stuckey, Monroe, Bynum, and most of all Josh Smith. 

Smith is a guy who kills teams because he is a stupid player who is determined to shoot bad shots at critical times. That is why nobody on Atlanta's team over his last two seasons would pass Josh the basketball in crunch time. I wondered when watching the Hawks why Smith was not involved during crunch time. Players didn't trust him to do the right thing. 

Stuckey is a player who has stayed the same since he arrived as a rookie. He is so powerful at times but cannot do the right thing in crunch time most of the time. And tonight I watched Stuckey on the wing and in the corner hanging on to the ball when nothing was there. He was being guarded and no cutter was open in the lane. So why in hell didn't he pass the ball to Jerebco who was wide open and begging Stuckey to pass him the basketball. This happened 3 times in the 2nd half. Jerebco could have driven to the rim, shot the long ball or passed the ball to the opposite side of the court. That was the correct play for Stuckey to make and he didn't do it. WHY??? Maybe he just doesn't like Jerebco. 

I have said too much about Bynum and don't want to say any more negative things. He is a good man but Detroit needed a bigger back up point guard who is pass first and a good defender. Why Dumars didn't make an attempt to sign Jack is insane. 

Monroe is playing a new position this season so perhaps he should get a pass. But Greg is just not quick enough reacting to what is going on when Detroit is playing defense and that scares me a lot about this guy if the Pistons do pay the going rate to keep him. 

There is something to cheer about with some of the players. 

Drummond has a lot of work to do to become a good defender  but he has the talent. He should be better in every area next season including free throw shooting. 

Singler is proving that he is a good outside shooter and can cause match up problems with opponents because of his 6 foot 8 inch height when he plays the 2 guard. And Singler can play multiple positions moving forward. This is a player Detroit can count on getter much better in the future. He is a work dog. 

Jerebco is not high on many fans list anymore. But I have seen Jonas really improving over the past 6 weeks. He is finally getting consistent minutes. This guy has improved his outside shot and is a good rebounder. But most of all, Jerebco is a guy like Singler who seem to get their hands on the ball when Detroit is playing defense. There is no stat for that but all coaches will tell you that guys who somehow bat the ball or touch or deflect the ball on defense means those players are in the game and battling hard. Having those kind of players on a team is a must if you ever expect to win anything. 

I am hoping that Zeke agrees to either take over the GM job or will coach the Pistons next season. If he coaches the team, nobody in the front office will mess with him. Cry baby players will have nowhere to go if he is the coach. And if he becomes the new GM, then I expect he will do a great job and will BRING GOOD LUCK TO THE PISTONS. He has this special personality that we all grew to love and somehow I believe he will turn things around in the City of Detroit if he will accept the challenge.

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Post  cool breeze Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:24 pm

Oracle wrote:I agree, even for those of us that felt that Cheeks should be fired, the timing was really bad and somewhat stupid, especially because the team was beginning to respond.

I made my apologies to Cheeks, but here are a few things I noticed.

1. It was only under Cheeks that I thought that this team was just a win streak away from doing something good and making the playoffs.

2. Josh Smith actually looked good under Cheeks. He has some of his greatest success with Cheeks and down the toilet since then. That can't be by accident!

3. Bynum was finally moving to the role he filled best... sitting on the bench, under Cheeks, and we were starting to win some games.

4. Jennings was finally at the beginning of learning what a true PG is supposed to be. It was going to take the rest of the season to get him right, but firing Cheeks has totally derailed that effort, and unless they can move him, will likely hurt the future of this team for no good reason.

Make no mistake about it, this was Gores all the way! I know Joe has the firing coach rep, but Gores is idiot #1 right out of the box!

Gores, the bully, picked on the one guy he could easily scapegoat and promptly threw him under the bus, likely just to get at the one he really was sick of in Joe, but couldn't fire for political reasons.

Sure Cheeks was the initial victim, but in doing that, Gores also inflicted a mortal wound in this teams season and likely beyond... SAD!!!
I think that you are right about one of the reasons why Mr. Gores fired Cheeks which you indicated was because he thought this would a good way to rid himself of Mr. Dumars. It is time for Joe to step down and do something new. And it seems to be a sure thing that it will happen soon. But something else fueled this quick firing and it had to do with suck up cry baby players who are now getting their way with the new cream puff head coach. Bynum was in Cheeks dog house. Who besides Bynum was upset about that? Was it Drummond who is someone that Gores feels he must please to keep him in Detroit? The press reported that Josh Smith had something to do with the firing relating to when he snapped when Cheeks held him accountable. The press also stated that Billups had something to do with it. That doesn't make much sense to me. Billups has stated that the players must be held accountable. The NBA sure is a players league. All coaches had better be careful about hurting players feelings. The players are like small children who have parents that allow them to rule. Now this franchise has an owner who seems to be that kind of parent. Cheeks was not taking crap from some of the players who were either not capable of playing at the NBA level (Bynum) or players with fat contracts who look stoned when they take the court in the first quarter of games. Then I have to ask one last question. Is is really true that Joe Dumars wasn't involved in the firing of Cheeks??? Joe loves Will Bynum. It was Joe Dumars who gave Will that ridiculous two year contract. Did Will cry to Joe Dumars and did Joe ask Gores if he could fire Cheeks? We don't know these things because no executive has the balls to tell us what really happened and why it happened. Cheeks did the right thing in benching both Smith for that short period of time and Will Bynum which would have been for the rest of the season. Did Bynum cry to Drummond who then called Gores? A friend suggested that is what really happened. This firing had a lot to do with Will Bynum. And Will Bynum is now playing a lot of minutes for the Pistons. The people running this team are a bunch of clowns. We should be watching Knight and Middleton. Instead the owner has given us a soap opera.

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