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Post  Oracle on Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:12 pm

BTW, last years team lost due to lack of talent, but they were 10 times smarter than this team and had a more complicated offensive AND defensive playbook!
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Post  Oracle on Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:11 pm

Sissy1946 wrote:Great effort for keep the lead but we know their gonna Blow it, still need more shooters on this team to compliment Smith, Monroe & Drummond, we don't have them.

1. Poor FT shooting
2. Turnovers at the wrong time
3. Absolutely horrible guard play, but mostly when we have a lead
4. Bigs are horrible when teams turn up the defensive pressure in the 4th

This has NOTHING to do with talent!

They're losing because they're dumb as nails!!!

While Jennings is doing a good job in general, he doesn't have a clue what to do when we're ahead!

In fact, nobody seems to know when to value possessions and when they can freelance, and they don't appear to have a coach that can call a effing timeout and make it clear to his team that he wants them to work for a shot!

But then again, they don't have a coach that gives them any plays!

I challenge you to look at the offense and see how easy it is to defend!

In the 4th, they come down the court and Washington is ready! They pass the ball to Josh and they immediately close in on him and either take the ball, force him into a turnover, or use up so much clock trying to recover that we jack up a horrible shot!

No ball movement to open lanes and throw the defense off, just IOS's without a superstar!

It may look like the defense is off, but it's an inept offensive scheme that produces the problem for the defense!

When other teams get focused is when we come apart, because we have no offensive design that does anything other than junior high stuff!

This is not the players!!!
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The Effort is There, we just Don't have Enough Talent.

Post  Sissy1946 on Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:36 pm

Great effort for keep the lead but we know their gonna Blow it, still need more shooters on this team to compliment Smith, Monroe & Drummond, we don't have them.
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Re: FORUM

Post  Oracle on Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:24 pm

merc wrote:Not seeing a lack of effort... just a lack of defensive talent (Jennings too weak... perimeter players & Monroe too slow)


Yeah, but offensively they run absolutely no plays!

The come down court and go through a series of passes only to setup a one on one!

Why?

No ball movement to open lanes, nothing, it's very rudimentary stuff that's easily defended!
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Re: FORUM

Post  merc on Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:11 pm

Not seeing a lack of effort... just a lack of defensive talent (Jennings too weak... perimeter players & Monroe too slow)
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FT's? & Subs

Post  Oracle on Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:04 pm

Right now, Pistons 2-9, Wiz 8-8... pathetic!!!

Then we bring in Chauncey & Bynum, and I almost lost my dinner!
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Post  Oracle on Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:02 pm

"My biggest issue is the fact that the Detroit Pistons are not exciting to watch. I can live with a losing team but it is not even interesting if the players don't know how to play or don't give the necessary effort. " - Don

That's the biggest surprise of the year! I also don't enjoy watching them as much as I thought, and not even as much as last years team!

Their fundamentals are so low that it's shocking! Hell, as I watch now, Monroe & Smith can't his basic free throws... it's pathetic! BTW, even KCP is a turd at the FT line, only Stuckey & Jennings make me feel comfortable!

On Moose, IMO, his defense would be better or not as much a factor if he's playing against 2nd unit Centers!

I just think Monroe needs to prove he can play defense at a starting unit level, or just come off the bench!

The truth right now is that he's a 2nd unit center, but probably won't accept that from us, so if Joe can get something for him, I'm all for it, but what I would prefer is doing a sign and trade after the season(if they agree), which means we could get a higher value than his current contract!
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Post  cool breeze on Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:29 pm

Oracle wrote:I hear your frustration, but I don't agree that Joe messed up! If you believe that, I think you seriously underestimated the problem!

1. The talent is here, but it hasn't been harnessed properly... yet!
2. We don't have a real PF, Monroe is playing out of position
3. We don't have a real SF, and no Josh Smith is not a SF, he's just playing one on TV 
4. We don't have a real SG, KCP will be a good one in the future, but that day isn't today
5. Drummond is a center, but he's a center learning the position! He's ahead of schedule, but we have to remember that he has one years experience... yeah ONE!
6. We have a PG, but he's also learning the position, and IMO, right now, one of the bright spots!

So what's the point? There isn't a talent problem, there's a coaching problem because these assets have been deployed in a way that doesn't maximize the talents of the players at hand.

That doesn't mean that Cheeks is a bad coach, but it does mean that he hasn't figured it out yet!

However, the absolute wrong thing to do is to overly blame the players for the way they're being used!

We do have some player problems, but IMO, that's the smallest part of the problem right now!

I don't want to trade Monroe, I want to use him properly!

BTW, Singler is almost untouchable because at his price and experience level, compared to what he does for this team, only a crazy GM would even consider trading him! Of course we know that only fans talk that way, nobody in basketball would even consider it!

I've seen enough of Smith to know that he can become a decent SF, but it's going to be a process.

Bottom Line: It's still too early to react too harshly, but it's not too early to get rid of the dead weight for some additional talent!

That dead weight is Stuckey, Bynum, CV and possibly JJ! Two bigs and two smalls, which IMO, could net us some decent talent!

I wouldn't move anybody else!

I agree with a lot of what you have said. Stuckey, Bynum and Cv should be on everyone's list to include on any trade. However, I am not so sure the owners should sign Monroe to the contract his agent will be asking. He is a Stick Man. And those type of straight up big men who lack quickness will never be proficient playing either center or power forward. However, I agree that he is more effective at center but remember the last two seasons where Monroe spent all of his time at center? He was known as the worst center defender in the league. He could not figure out the rotations and got caught out of the paint a lot. And he is a watcher on defense. Please watch him watch others work to get position and defensive rebounds. He stands and gets rebounds because he is just there and he is big but in crunch time, everyone works harder and Greg is out of the mix to block shots or rebound much like Charlie v. Notice I am now using a small v. What I don't know is just what Monroe could bring the Pistons in a trade. Maybe we would all be surprised. I have been pulling for Greg Monroe especially this season but have finally given up on him. Anyone who refuses to get his legs bent to run and play offense and defense is useless and I hate watching those player types. If you are making millions of dollars you get your damn legs bent and at least look like a basketball player. It seems that all the bitching by the coaches and fans will not have any effect on him. So perhaps Greg has cardio issues. A lot of tall people have that problem and cannot get enough blood flow to ever have much stamina.

My biggest issue is the fact that the Detroit Pistons are not exciting to watch. I can live with a losing team but it is not even interesting if the players don't know how to play or don't give the necessary effort.

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Post  Oracle on Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:38 pm

I hear your frustration, but I don't agree that Joe messed up! If you believe that, I think you seriously underestimated the problem!

1. The talent is here, but it hasn't been harnessed properly... yet!
2. We don't have a real PF, Monroe is playing out of position
3. We don't have a real SF, and no Josh Smith is not a SF, he's just playing one on TV 
4. We don't have a real SG, KCP will be a good one in the future, but that day isn't today
5. Drummond is a center, but he's a center learning the position! He's ahead of schedule, but we have to remember that he has one years experience... yeah ONE!
6. We have a PG, but he's also learning the position, and IMO, right now, one of the bright spots!

So what's the point? There isn't a talent problem, there's a coaching problem because these assets have been deployed in a way that doesn't maximize the talents of the players at hand.

That doesn't mean that Cheeks is a bad coach, but it does mean that he hasn't figured it out yet!

However, the absolute wrong thing to do is to overly blame the players for the way they're being used!

We do have some player problems, but IMO, that's the smallest part of the problem right now!

I don't want to trade Monroe, I want to use him properly!

BTW, Singler is almost untouchable because at his price and experience level, compared to what he does for this team, only a crazy GM would even consider trading him! Of course we know that only fans talk that way, nobody in basketball would even consider it!

I've seen enough of Smith to know that he can become a decent SF, but it's going to be a process.

Bottom Line: It's still too early to react too harshly, but it's not too early to get rid of the dead weight for some additional talent!

That dead weight is Stuckey, Bynum, CV and possibly JJ! Two bigs and two smalls, which IMO, could net us some decent talent!

I wouldn't move anybody else!
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My bet is that the owners have had it with Joe's game plan for the future.

Post  cool breeze on Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:15 pm

The owners want to fill the seats. The players do not like playing in front of empty seats. With so many home losses so far you can make a safe bet that Dumars is getting a lot of heat from both the owners and the coaching staff. It is Joe who had this vision of signing weak defensive players especially at the guard positions. If Smith is bitching about certain players not pulling their weight and Joe Dumars has instructed coach Cheeks to calm nerves so as to not destroy the limited chemistry the team has, then it appears that things are out of control. If the Lions coach was fired for being too weak, then isn't it about time for Joe Dumars to enter retirement? There is no other person anyone can blame but Joe and the players, especially the guards, that he has hand picked. I haven't forgotten Charlie V here either. The team can function well with Jennings but the other guards have to be tough minded consistently strong defenders to make things work. Bynum is not an NBA player. Stuckey has been a horrible player until the first part of this season. Now he is injured. Billups is too old but does offer advise which is worth the money he is earning. KCP is not ready to start in this league yet. But there are no other options available to the coach thanks to Joe. Bring back Siva and try KCP at point guard when Jennings is tired or playing bad. Play Singler at the 2 guard at times which is being done. But what a damn mess and anyone with half a brain should have known this would happen before the season began. Many of us predicted this would happen. Steve Kerr predicted this team was severely flawed last summer. Isiah Thomas said the same thing. But some of you really want to believe that guys like Stuckey and Bynum will somehow become new players. The coaching staff has no options to field a proper team to compete night after night with other NBA teams.

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Friction fiction

Post  Oracle on Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:21 pm

MOOSEFAN wrote:
lemonpen wrote:Is josh resisting the role of team leader being pushed by mo.

Just the opposite IMO.  Josh has spoken out on several occasions about how hard the team plays, how timid they are at times and in fact it was Josh who went to Cheeks and asked to be used more as a post threat (Not Cheeks idea).   I see the problem
being with Cheeks and not Josh at this point.  

Josh had all but called players out personally by name,  especially Moose.  Cheeks angrily rebutted when Josh said the team wasn't playing tough enough and sure enough right behind those comments come Cheeks and Monroe to say otherwise. Josh had said repeatedly the same thing about this team toughness and every time Cheeks seems to have an issue with it.

I don't think Josh likes losing while lazy ass players like Moose seem to not give a ****.  I think this is about to explode is what I think.  

 

I think Lemonpen has a point, in a way!

Josh wants to have the good parts of being the team leader, and leave the bad parts to someone else!

I don't like the way Cheeks has handled him, but he wouldn't have to handle a true team leader! The team leader would jump up and take responsibility for what's going on and handle his business in the locker room.

While Lemonpen has a point, I don't think it's that he's resisting, I just think he's never had to be the leader before, and it's new to him, which is why he doesn't appear to know what a leader does.
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A Pussy no more...

Post  Oracle on Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:15 pm

"The Lions players loved Schwartz for the wrong reasons. He allowed them to make their own mistakes and play like their pants were on fire. That is fine to a degree, but the NFL has changed. The Lions are the unofficial bad boys of the NFL and the league does not tolerate such tactics.


They are viewed as thugs at a time when the NFL is worried about rough play and concussions. Now the Lions must find a man who not only can change the culture of a losing dressing room but change its image." - Jim Schwartz goes out like a Lion with strong message to players
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Something to think about, or not, but please consider.

Post  deusXango on Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:10 pm

MOOSEFAN wrote:I though Cheeks was a lot smarter than what he shown so far as to how he handles Josh Smith.  This has to be at at least the fourth time he felt the need to bench Josh and the reasons have been for Josh out-spoken comments and his attitude during a game.  This bothers me because he doesn't yank the chain on players he should yank and that he does this based not on the play of a player but on what he say's because it may not be as politically correct as Cheeks likes.  IMO this seems to be the issue here with these 2.

It's as if he puts all the team failures on Josh Smith and has a problem with Josh when he say's thing that perhaps Cheeks himself need to be saying about the team.  Josh's comments aren't always deflecting or of the pampering variety that is often the after game comments of everyone else.  Josh's comments were dead on about the team as a whole, they are soft and they often play scared for a team that has the talent they have.  

Cheeks won't yank Moose or Pope, he'll ride the sh!t out of an unproductive Bynum or Singler, but the minute Josh open his mouth about the teams effort then he's yanked.  
Josh Smith is from Atlanta...the mystery lady in Cheeks life, that was swept under the rug, is from Atlanta; obviously the lady knows her way around pro sports locker rooms and people in general do talk. Is this why Josh was more or less mandated to get his ass out of Atlanta, or else, following the back 2 backs? Could it be that Cheeks lives in fear of an embarrassing remark that he knows Smith can make, and it'd be the truth? Cheeks is clearly out of character when it comes to the handling of Josh Smith, and that can't be denied. Why? At some point, intelligent people will have to ask the question, "why is Cheeks so down on arguably his most diversely talented player?" Josh Smith is his bosses (Joe Dumars and Tom Gores) most prized FA investment; he shouldn't receive diva treatment, but living with a foot up his ass and his coach saying "all's well" smacks of an underlying resentment. Smith hasn't consistently played any worse than any other Piston, but he's played a hell of a lot better than 80% of the team, and he's not been hurt!!

Has anyone known Cheeks to be arrogant? When it comes to addressing his handling of Josh Smith, Mr. Hyde comes out, and he's arrogant as hell.
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I Think The Friction Is Moose and Josh With Cheeks Interferring

Post  WTF on Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:05 pm

lemonpen wrote:Is josh resisting the role of team leader being pushed by mo.

Just the opposite IMO. Josh has spoken out on several occasions about how hard the team plays, how timid they are at times and in fact it was Josh who went to Cheeks and asked to be used more as a post threat (Not Cheeks idea). I see the problem
being with Cheeks and not Josh at this point.

Josh had all but called players out personally by name, especially Moose. Cheeks angrily rebutted when Josh said the team wasn't playing tough enough and sure enough right behind those comments come Cheeks and Monroe to say otherwise. Josh had said repeatedly the same thing about this team toughness and every time Cheeks seems to have an issue with it.

I don't think Josh likes losing while lazy ass players like Moose seem to not give a ****. I think this is about to explode is what I think.

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Post  Oracle on Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:00 pm

"Moosefan, I will accept your position on possible trade(s), but can WE agree that if WE get pimp-slapped by the Wizards, tonight, in a damn near empty Palace that there must be moves made on Tuesday, December 31, 2013." - Seb

My concern is that if we lose tonight, how long will it be before these dudes start singing show tunes and frequenting bath houses  lol
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Post  lemonpen on Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:28 pm

Is josh resisting the role of team leader being pushed by mo.
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Boom Dey Got Me Mon!

Post  WTF on Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:19 pm

So say's fired coach Jim Swartz
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Some of you are talking trades. How can anyone trust anything Joe Dumars might do?

Post  cool breeze on Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:10 pm

This is my biggest concern moving forward with this team. What will Joe do to screw up the team even more than he already has done? This team has no defenders. One of you mentioned that Jennings and Smith were the best defenders on the team. Now that is not honest if you have been watching the games. Mo Cheeks would agree with me that Kyle Singler is the best overall defender. He has guarded multiple positions on some nights when every other teammate had failed. If you mention Singler in a trade it will be a big mistake. I notice that somehow Stuckey is supposed to be safe from any trade possibilities. Are you serious? He is injured again. He has a shoulder injury this time which will bother him for the rest of the season. He is making 8.5 million dollars and has an expiring contract. Nobody wants Charlie V on their team but they like his expiring contract but maybe owners are so turned off with him that they might worry how the fans will react if they have to see him in their uniform. We need Affalo or someone like him to play the 2 guard. He can defend unlike all of our guards including Stuckey who has often lost concentration especially when he shots doesn't fall. I don't see any really good defender on this team including Smith. He can come up with a great defensive play but often is lazy on defense. The problem is that other team appreciate players like Affalo and other tough minded defenders unlike Joe Dumars. So it is very difficult to make trades with our handicapped players. I see Stuckey as the player who might draw attention on the theory that he might get healthy enough to help a team and he has the big expiring contract. Guys like Singler and Harrellison are needed if a team is serious about winning anything and they are not paid much money. Stuckey and Monroe are the two players to move but I doubt that Joe Dumars has the ability to make a favorable trade. He is now known as a very weak GM based on his work history over the past 6 years.

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Seb I've Been Ready For A Trade

Post  WTF on Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:48 am

Sebastian wrote:
MOOSEFAN wrote:Seb, there is only one primary player on this team that needs to be traded and that players is Moose. No other player in the top 7 of the rotation should be traded.  The team is already weak at PG so trading Jennings isn't smart, you don't trade Josh because overall he's the most productive player on the team. Trading either Brandon or Josh will be more damaging to the team than you think.  The only starter not meshing at this point is Moose.  

Joe has at least 7 players he can and should move (Moose, Jebreko, Bynum, Charlie, Singler, Siva and Mitchell) everyone else should be consider untouchable for the moment.  Somehow with these 7 players in various combinations of trade scenarios Joe should be able to address the issues with this team.   IMO SG isn't one of the team big issues (Waiters) is not a good trade.   SF is a problem but not as big of a problem as PF and a backup PG are at the moment (Melo) I would love having him but not at the expense of losing Josh or Jennings when we have no real replacement for either.  As Don put it we would suck defensively even more than we do now considering both Jennings and Josh are the team best defenders.  

I think a combination of Moose and Charlie expiring could get us a starting PF and any combination of the remaining players can get us a very good backup at PG.

Andre is franchise and you don't trade franchise.
Smith brings more than many think so you don't trade him
Jennings is all we have at PG so you don't trade him
Stuckey when healthy been to valuable off the bench so you don't trade him
Pope is a top 8 draft pick so it's too early to throw him away (he's not a starter) but you don't trade him
Chauncey you can't trade because nobody wants him
Harrellson you don't trade because he maybe the biggest off season pick up of Joe's career.
Datome you don't trade because his potential is unknown and he likely has next to Chauncey nil trade value.

Moosefan, I will accept your position on possible trade(s), but can WE agree that if WE get pimp-slapped by the Wizards, tonight, in a damn near empty Palace that there must  be moves made on Tuesday, December 31, 2013.

Seb, I've been for making moves since Novembers and perhaps back in July when Moose trade value was at it's highest at any point of the season. I'm not sure what Joe keep Fu@king Waiting for to happen other than the dumb hope of this sh!t correcting itself when it's obvious nothings working.

Datome isn't turning into Toni **** Kukoc any time soon, Pope is not ready, Jennings needs a solid veteran backup, and Moose is everything I said he was and the team needs to cut ties with him before getting stuck with a contract they'll like mostly to regret in the long run.

Moose does not mesh with the other four starters and should be the only one traded, in a perfect world it would be nice to keep him as a back up, but he's no more a backup center as he is a starting forward and should be starting as a center on some other team. This is why it makes sense to try to move him for Ryan Anderson or any other starting PF or SF in the league. Reality is we don't need 3 centers on this team Harrellson is a more than capable backup for Drummond, some fans are in this greed mode idea of having all three (Smith, Drummond and Monroe) while sacrificing what is really needed on the team (Backup PG and starting PF)

I'm not for trading the pieces that are working for us and have greater potential, Drummond, Smith and Jennings nor would I trade Stuckey because he should be starting. Right now the team needs a PF that can hold his own defensive and be a mid range threat. The team also needs a PG that can either backup Jennings or perhaps even start if need be. The answer lies somewhere in trading Moose, Charlie, JJ and Bynum to correct both issues. Seems Joe is as Star Stricken as some fans that they can't see the bad sh!t in front of them.

Many of the same folks that don't want to trade Moose are some of the same ones that say Joe hold on to players to long for all the wrong reason but want to be selective about which ones. Whatever trade value Moose has will be gone once a deal is inked over the summer and he's still playing as **** as he's been. His values is as someone's starting centers but the more we force him in a role his ass will never be suited for the less attractive he's looking.
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Trade(s)?

Post  Sebastian on Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:01 am

MOOSEFAN wrote:Seb, there is only one primary player on this team that needs to be traded and that players is Moose. No other player in the top 7 of the rotation should be traded.  The team is already weak at PG so trading Jennings isn't smart, you don't trade Josh because overall he's the most productive player on the team. Trading either Brandon or Josh will be more damaging to the team than you think.  The only starter not meshing at this point is Moose.  

Joe has at least 7 players he can and should move (Moose, Jebreko, Bynum, Charlie, Singler, Siva and Mitchell) everyone else should be consider untouchable for the moment.  Somehow with these 7 players in various combinations of trade scenarios Joe should be able to address the issues with this team.   IMO SG isn't one of the team big issues (Waiters) is not a good trade.   SF is a problem but not as big of a problem as PF and a backup PG are at the moment (Melo) I would love having him but not at the expense of losing Josh or Jennings when we have no real replacement for either.  As Don put it we would suck defensively even more than we do now considering both Jennings and Josh are the team best defenders.  

I think a combination of Moose and Charlie expiring could get us a starting PF and any combination of the remaining players can get us a very good backup at PG.

Andre is franchise and you don't trade franchise.
Smith brings more than many think so you don't trade him
Jennings is all we have at PG so you don't trade him
Stuckey when healthy been to valuable off the bench so you don't trade him
Pope is a top 8 draft pick so it's too early to throw him away (he's not a starter) but you don't trade him
Chauncey you can't trade because nobody wants him
Harrellson you don't trade because he maybe the biggest off season pick up of Joe's career.
Datome you don't trade because his potential is unknown and he likely has next to Chauncey nil trade value.

Moosefan, I will accept your position on possible trade(s), but can WE agree that if WE get pimp-slapped by the Wizards, tonight, in a damn near empty Palace that there must be moves made on Tuesday, December 31, 2013.
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Hold Up On Trading Everyone

Post  WTF on Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:01 am

Seb, there is only one primary player on this team that needs to be traded and that players is Moose. No other player in the top 7 of the rotation should be traded.  The team is already weak at PG so trading Jennings isn't smart, you don't trade Josh because overall he's the most productive player on the team. Trading either Brandon or Josh will be more damaging to the team than you think.  The only starter not meshing at this point is Moose.  

Joe has at least 7 players he can and should move (Moose, Jebreko, Bynum, Charlie, Singler, Siva and Mitchell) everyone else should be consider untouchable for the moment.  Somehow with these 7 players in various combinations of trade scenarios Joe should be able to address the issues with this team.   IMO SG isn't one of the team big issues (Waiters) is not a good trade.   SF is a problem but not as big of a problem as PF and a backup PG are at the moment (Melo) I would love having him but not at the expense of losing Josh or Jennings when we have no real replacement for either.  As Don put it we would suck defensively even more than we do now considering both Jennings and Josh are the team best defenders.  

I think a combination of Moose and Charlie expiring could get us a starting PF and any combination of the remaining players can get us a very good backup at PG.

Andre is franchise and you don't trade franchise.
Smith brings more than many think so you don't trade him
Jennings is all we have at PG so you don't trade him
Stuckey when healthy been to valuable off the bench so you don't trade him
Pope is a top 8 draft pick so it's too early to throw him away (he's not a starter) but you don't trade him
Chauncey you can't trade because nobody wants him
Harrellson you don't trade because he maybe the biggest off season pick up of Joe's career.
Datome you don't trade because his potential is unknown and he likely has next to Chauncey nil trade value.
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Worst Lions Season Ever

Post  WTF on Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:16 am

Oracle wrote:

Funny this is exactly how fans look right after Stafford tosses an INT when the game is on the line. It's sad when a 0-16 season hurts less. I'm so done with this team
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Wake Up Calls, Messages, Shake Ups and Trades

Post  WTF on Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:11 am

I though Cheeks was a lot smarter than what he shown so far as to how he handles Josh Smith.  This has to be at at least the fourth time he felt the need to bench Josh and the reasons have been for Josh out-spoken comments and his attitude during a game.  This bothers me because he doesn't yank the chain on players he should yank and that he does this based not on the play of a player but on what he say's because it may not be as politically correct as Cheeks likes.  IMO this seems to be the issue here with these 2.

It's as if he puts all the team failures on Josh Smith and has a problem with Josh when he say's thing that perhaps Cheeks himself need to be saying about the team.  Josh's comments aren't always deflecting or of the pampering variety that is often the after game comments of everyone else.  Josh's comments were dead on about the team as a whole, they are soft and they often play scared for a team that has the talent they have.  

Cheeks won't yank Moose or Pope, he'll ride the sh!t out of an unproductive Bynum or Singler, but the minute Josh open his mouth about the teams effort then he's yanked.  The quickest I ever seen Cheeks yank Pope was the Orlando game for all the right reasons but he never consider yanking Moose sorry ass as every superstar to sub-par PF kicks his ass night after night.

Wake Up Call! I doubt it, this team team needs more than that lose to the Wizards, Shake Up! that wasn't a shake up if it's not done prior to tip off. If Cheeks wanted to make a statement than he needed to make those changes prior to tip and he needs to stop singling out Josh as his scape-goat when he does want to send a message.  

Besides Joe is the one that needs to deliver the Wake Up Call and any Shaking Up to the roster by collecting his balls up from the floor and pushing the button on trading Moose, CV, Bynum, and JJ and possibly Singler before it's too **** late and the team can't recover. Right now this team is in desperate need for a solid backup PG and a solid starting SF or PF.


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Post  Fennis Dembo on Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:49 pm

Oracle-  The picture you posted should be the new logo for the Lions.  

A conversation I would like to hear:
Schwartz: I want to return.
Bill Ford: And people in Hell want ice water, but they don't get it.

On the other hand if Schwartz comes to his press conference and says, "It's business as usual.".  I will have to be sedated because of a hysterical laughing fit.

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Post  Oracle on Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:17 pm

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